Debate me on common sense... - Page 2

Kaysa · 12-06-2005, 10:41 AM

Actually, evolution has been viewed, so the prof could have shut him up right there if he wanted to >.>

Aruko · 12-06-2005, 10:54 AM

Do you have proof of how evolution can be viewed??

drunk_sea_monkey · 12-06-2005, 10:55 AM

or HAS been?

MrPwnzerz · 12-06-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aruko samaki

Growing. Like you and I do every single day. Don't say that a fetus is evolving, because that's just like saying a fetus isn't a human. Unless of course you think at that stage a fetus isn't considered a human being and is evolving into one...Which sounded rather ludicrous as I typed that, even though some might think it possible.

Yes, Dark, I know there's been other threads about evolution and god and etc. but this is a debate of common sense. Not just of Christ or Darwyn.
I want to see if that debate between a student and teacher sounds like common sense to you.

So you think evolution and "growing up" are two uniquely different things? I took it to dictionary.com and the first two results that came up were this:

1.A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.

2.The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Every day that we live, we evolve, because we learn knew things and better ourselves. I could go into much more detail, but you seem smart, so I am sure you have a grasp on what I am saying?

IGOS · 12-06-2005, 01:05 PM

no it just means that the student is smarter then the teacher because you can see the professors brain its called xray or you kill him and cut his head off the cold and darkness are meer representations of a lesser out come and our preceptions on each it is cold but that is a term passed down if i walked around saying wow it sure is a low heat day i would sound like an idiot so

i win

DarkAztek · 12-06-2005, 04:15 PM

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Yes, Dark, I know there's been other threads about evolution and god and etc. but this is a debate of common sense. Not just of Christ or Darwyn.
I want to see if that debate between a student and teacher sounds like common sense to you.

...But the topic of the student and teacher are

A) Erroneous
B) Have to do with evolution and God!

So then we are debating if they had a good conversation? No. They didn't. Why? Because half the shit they said in their was wrong and their logic is flawed. What more do you want?

Kaysa · 12-06-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aruko samaki

Do you have proof of how evolution can be viewed??

I'm assuming you mean do you have proof that the evolution has been viewed, otherwise whatever you asked me makes no sense. Anyways, there are examples of evolution in micro-organisms. You can just google it and find examples; mainly in catergories dealing with medicine. Many scientists are worried of the new strains of bacteria which are evolving and resistant to our medicines.

Examples of evolved macro-level creatures might be available, but I'd need to talk to a biology major to find that out.

DarkAztek · 12-06-2005, 06:49 PM

Microevolution has been observed numerous times. Macroevolution technically cannot be viewed, for the time frame must be at least a few hundred thousand years. We haven't even been seriously talking about evolution for more than a few hundred. We can, however, observe macroevolution in a way through fossil records and comparing them to today's creatures.

***Demi-God*** · 12-07-2005, 12:39 PM

I dont see this story as somethign to debate over I see it as a story with a sort message in it, just because you cant see somethign doesnt mean it doesnt exist... thats how i see it anyways

Aruko · 12-07-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaysa

I'm assuming you mean do you have proof that the evolution has been viewed, otherwise whatever you asked me makes no sense. Anyways, there are examples of evolution in micro-organisms. You can just google it and find examples; mainly in catergories dealing with medicine. Many scientists are worried of the new strains of bacteria which are evolving and resistant to our medicines.

Examples of evolved macro-level creatures might be available, but I'd need to talk to a biology major to find that out.

It's called adaption, not evolution. They're both two different things. An organism evolving from say, for example, a monkey into a human is way different then a bacterial strand adapting to the medicines we have so it can survive.

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Originally Posted by MrPwnzerz

So you think evolution and "growing up" are two uniquely different things? I took it to dictionary.com and the first two results that came up were this:

1.A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.

2.The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Every day that we live, we evolve, because we learn knew things and better ourselves. I could go into much more detail, but you seem smart, so I am sure you have a grasp on what I am saying?

Thanks for the compliment, if it was intended as one. And yes I grasp it but they're different and yet the same. I will concur that the dictionary meanings are very similar. BUT for a baby to grow into a kid into a teenager and finally into an adult, isn't evolution. All humans do it. (unless prematurely killed) For say a baby to change into a monkey would be evolution. Cause the being is completely changing into something it hasn't before. (although most evolutionists think we came from monkeys but so far we haven't gone back.

)

Kaysa · 12-07-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aruko samaki

It's called adaption, not evolution. They're both two different things. An organism evolving from say, for example, a monkey into a human is way different then a bacterial strand adapting to the medicines we have so it can survive.

Ya, they call it microevolution because they are adapting; let's congratulate scientists for using a much longer word in place of a shorter one which doesn't mean the same thing. Lemme make this simple for you, they call it microevolution because it is a form of evolution, not adaptation. And it doesn't matter if evolving from a monkey to a human is different from a bacterial strand evolving into another bacterial strand, it is still evolution.

DarkAztek · 12-07-2005, 04:24 PM

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It's called adaption, not evolution. They're both two different things. An organism evolving from say, for example, a monkey into a human is way different then a bacterial strand adapting to the medicines we have so it can survive.

Adaptation is a HUGE component in the theory of evolution. Adaptation is synonymous with micro-evolution. (Plus keep in mind that a recent test has determined that chimps are 95% genetically identical to humans. So not that many changes would be needed, really. Australopithecus, anyone?)

Ghost_user · 12-07-2005, 04:56 PM

I think the student gave a good point if it's allright I'm gonna cut and save this.

Kaysa · 12-07-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkAztek

Adaptation is a HUGE component in the theory of evolution. Adaptation is synonymous with micro-evolution. (Plus keep in mind that a recent test has determined that chimps are 95% genetically identical to humans. So not that many changes would be needed, really. Australopithecus, anyone?)

I've always learned adaptation is a huge component, but not that they are always synonymous. With bacteria I know they are synonymous, but for other micro-organisms I've seem it emphasized that they aren't the same because they didn't neccessarily adapt to anything but merely changed.

flareofdragon · 12-07-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aruko samaki

For say a baby to change into a monkey would be evolution. Cause the being is completely changing into something it hasn't before. (although most evolutionists think we came from monkeys but so far we haven't gone back.

)

You can't be more wrong. Thats not evolution at all, in fact, that goes completely against what the science world says about evolution (unless the baby had monkey parents). Is it necessary to go over this again?

Read this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

A human baby cannot change into a monkey baby, atleast the way science is right now.

And bacteria adapt all the time, they create new species all the time. That is because they reproduce so much, that there comes a certain point when two bacterias are not classified under the same species.

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