AnticitizenOne

And Kisame can't? Wtf is that supposed to mean?

Kisame is also able to conjure an instant lake to use water jutsu with. It's as large as, if not larger than Nidaime's Suishouha. Nidaime does NOT have a giant amount of chakra like Kisame has and the fact that he can use water jutsu without any water is in no way even related to that.

Please show me Nidaime's Kinjutsu, he NEVER USED ONE, and probably never before the series even started in the Narutoverse. The fact is that Kisame would just win due to his massive strength and his superiority with Suiton Ninjutsu.

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unnoted

Its maybe an assumptioin. The forbidden jutso's weren't forbidden until yondaime forbidded it. So we can safely assume that almost all shinobi before Yondaime's time knows a kinjutso, specially a ninja like Nidaime.

And isnt it right that Nidaime is the one who used that technique that causes complete darkness. He is also praised as the best hand to hand fighter. Ill stillsay that Nidaime wins agianst Kisame.


The latter generations may surpass the former that doesnt mean that its everyone of them. Just look at Jiraiya, he is old but younger shinobi's hasnt surpassed him yet, like Kakashi, Itachi and Kisame. We cannot assume that the younger generation shinobi is always stronger than who passed away.

AnticitizenOne

Actually, in the manga which is the original and therefore canon version of the show, it was Shodaime that used the Darkness Technique. How do you know Yondaime forbade ALL forbidden techniques? If there was some proof please let me know of it.

We cannot safely assume that they all know and used Kinjutsu, I highly doubt creating a wave of water or a wall of water is counted as a Kinjutsu. Also, that's ALL WE'VE SEEN NIDAIME DO, so we have no proof those weren't some of the very few Water Release Techniques he knew, Kisame however, knows very many that we have seen with our own eyes. The Samehada>Nidaime's Taijutsu pure and simple, it could even stop him from using jutsu, and block some of Nidaime's jutsu.

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ShinobiKnight

Enough of the Kisame vs. Nidaime arguments. Post-timeskip Sakura vs. pre-timeskip Lee.

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AnticitizenOne

What an interesting fight ShinobiKnight. I really think that Sakura still can't compare with Lee's strength, depends if it's pre or post operational surgery for Lee. He is still faster than Sakura and by far stronger if he opens the fifth lotus gate, even if it would cripple him Lee would still be able to at least badly wound Sakura.

Before anybody even says "well sakura is a medical nin and she would heal herself", you don't just "heal" that kind of massive damage in such short amounts of time. What makes you think that she would be able to move her arms at all or channel enough chakra for the Mystical Palm Technique after being hit with Initial or Primary lotus? I think that the Initial alone, which doesn't hurt Lee all that much, could still smash Sakura's skull and lodge a piece of it in her brain killing her or something.

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I still sees Lee's speed is at advantage, specially the gates.


@AnticitizenOne On the first episode where naruto innocently stole the forbidden list/seals of jutso (one ofthose is the Kage Bunshin), the 3rd said it was forbidden by Yondaime becaause of the negative effects of the jutsos.

AnticitizenOne

All this proves is that he forbade one jutsu, not all of the forbidden ones to date.

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unnoted

Its a list of forbidden jutso. naruto just found the Kage bunshins which suites as a better technique for the academy ggraduation qualification. the 3rd hokage did say "yes those ARE dangerous scrolls".

MikeyM1979

Sakura would win. Only because Lee has feelings for her, and would allow her to beat him. Or would go easy on her, and since this is pre-time skip Lee, he has no idea that one punch from her would kill him.

I mean, technically, she shouldn't even be able to lay a hand on him. But yeah...

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AnticitizenOne

MikeyM is of course, right on that, but if he wanted to kill her he sure as hell could.

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MikeyM1979

Indeed. On the if he wanted to kill her bit. If they never knew one another, then yes, Lee would finish her off quickly.

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nejismirk

vs thread huh..

how about post-time skip lee vs. gaara...again.

okay to make this one less complicated, let's say before the shukaku was extracted from gaara coz we dont know for sure how gaara fights without it. lets base his ability before it was extracted from him.

you guys think lee can take him down this time or still not?

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EJ

^we can't do spoiler fights in this thread,some ppl don't know about that yet
but to a respond, I'll say Gaara

AnticitizenOne

I highly doubt it, Lee learned one attack and if they were both in the desert Sabaku Ryo would completely bury Lee in sand and Gaara could just destroy him from there. Non to mention Gaara is a Kazekage and Lee isn't even a Jounin yet.

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nejismirk

yeah..and in that arc they both had their battles and i'd say gaara improved better than lee did.

and as you have said gaara became the kazekage and lee isnt even a jounin yet.

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