AnticitizenOne

Yes.

Prove it, there's absolutely nothing that gives me reason to believe that Neji is stronger or faster than the AVERAGE Jounin, whereas Kimimaro's bones are fast enough to block Lee's front lotus in part 1, which is still faster than part 2 Neji.

Completely untrue. Neji cannot kill in one strike, that isn't even stated once in the story at all. Kimimaro's Cursed Seal 2 Form, as I really shouldn't have to repeat THIS MANY TIMES, is able to force its way through Gaara's sand on pure strength, something that nothing else has been seen to do, ESPECIALLY when Gaara is surrounded with sand. He also literally walked out of the Sabaku Kyuu.

I meant with movements, not strikes. Kimimaro makes conservative movements to avoid his opponent that do not exceed or underdo the energy he needs to use to do whatever he's trying to do. Neji doesn't do that, partly because he's just not as experianced.

Where would Neji stand without the Byakugan? HE WOULD BE NOTHING. The Byakugan is the same as Kimimaro's CS2, it cannot be removed and without it he would just not be Kimimaro anymore. If you think the other Jounin that fought the sound four were low Jounin, what if Neji is as well the lowest possible form of Jounin there is?

*Stops Laughing* What are you talking about? Kimimaro's bone masks EASILY stopped the pressure from Sabaku Sousou and Sabaku Taiso. What does it matter if it's a bloodline limit? Biiju>Bloodline Limit, that's all there is to it, bloodline limits can do different things, whereas Biiju give the user ultimate protection in some cases, and give the user a boatload of chakra, even the one tail can do that.

Orochimaru's smart enough to know NOT to bring them both if they weren't going to do anything but sit there and watch. All we saw was that Orochimaru made the killing blow, we also know he's not stupid and wouldn't bring them all that way to watch him kill the Kage. They must have done SOMETHING.

Wow, this one disappointed me. OF COURSE. The sand's Kazekage could easily wipe out any Konoha Jounin pre timeskip, even Kakashi I bet, even if barely. I don't think Neji is on the level of most of the pre-timeskip Jounin at all. How could a village have Jounin that were stronger than a rival village's Kage? You're sadly underestimating the Sand Village, as a matter of fact, I think BAKI could kill Neji the way he is now in post timeskip.

You think that Neji, a middle class Jounin at best, could defeat two lower class Jounin at once? Kimimaro could have easily taken out those two, no question about it.

I never said Kimimaro would completely own Neji, but you make it sound like it'd be the fight of his life.

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Nuh uh.

Really? There's no reason to assume pre-time skip Kimimaro is faster than post time skip Neji either. Prove that he's faster.

We've seen a Hyuuga kill in one strike, what makes you think Neji can't? *waits for Trey to freaking say something about that...)

Things don't have to always be stated.

And? I'm talking about striking power, not ultimate defenses, which Kimimaro failed at against Gaara.

Fair enough.

Ah. What movements has Neji performed that do not exceed or underdo the energy he needs to use to do whatever he's trying to do?

LOL The Byakuugan is a bloodline limit, not some boost powerup he got by playing someone's dumb servant the way Kimimaro played to Orochimaru. Don't compare the CS2 to an actual bloodline limit, because you can't.

I'm really surprised you'd say that about Kimimaro. Without CS2, Kimimaro is not himself. That's like saying without CS2, Sasuke isn't himself either. Just, no. Their bloodline limits is what defines them as ninja's, mostly. Not their boost powerups.

I highly doubt that. Kurenai would fit that bill. Really, the only high level Jounins are Gai, Kakashi, and Yamato. I'd assume Neji is a mid-level Jounin at least.

Haha...nooo. =\ So to you, Naruto > Sasuke?

LOL

You don't know that.

Again, you don't know that.

Do you even know what the Sand's Kazakage was capable of doing, other than getting himself killed by Orochimaru, and handing his position to Gaara? I highly doubt you do. If Gaara was anything like the previous Kazekage, well that speaks alot. Gaara was defeated and outsmarted, and killed, by one Akatsuki member. Just one. And here we've seen Chuunins and Genins defeating Akatsuki members. That just doesn't look very good for the Sand. =\

I agree. He's not on the level of Kakashi, Gai, nor Yamato. He can, however, whip Kurenai around, and most likely do away with most of the other Jounins that we've seen.

You tell me. Although technically not a Jounin, Naruto is definitely on that level, yet he defeated Gaara, who is the current Kazekage. Yeah.

Really. lol You've seen what Baki can do post time skip? Or is that just another assumption, just because he's a Sand Jounin? I think you're underestimating Neji in general.

Umm, yeah. o_O A powerful, quick, and effective taijutsu user with an incredible bloodline limit vs two nobody Jounins? You think he can't?

That's niiice.

Not the fight of his life, no. But you definitely tend to overplay anything involving Kimimaro vs anyone. You're underestimating Neji for some reason. =\ Is it because he's not Kimimaro?

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dam guys, the posts are so long.

kimimaro and neji:
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In the manga, kimimaro was supposedly the only one who could contain juugo, the original user of the CS. Kimimaro was also a genius ninja and if u recall, if he did not have the disease he would have easily killed gaara, rocklee, and naruto and the series would end.
neji is now a jonin, but can his gentle fist technique break bone?
without disease i think kimimaro could have been the strongest ninja in the series in terms of taijutsu. kishi prolly knew that and killed him off :P...jk

bottom line: kimimaro without disease will just about wipe the floor with any of the original konoha genins

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anti and mikey..gama's right but i did take time reading it.lol.

btw, it is said that there is no possible way of making the internal organs stronger no matter how physically powerful is, isnt it possible that neji could break the bones in his chest (already protecting it on purpose) and do a silent but deadly finger strike in his heart? i suppose that his internal organs are the same with others which it really is, he's dead right?

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AnticitizenOne

Yeah uh.
Ok, I will. If you read the manga about that battle, you would have seen that Lee said that Kimimaro was SLOWER after he went into CS2 Form. Yet he was STILL able to avoid Gaara's sand, we don't even know if Neji could run as fast as Lee WITHOUT weights on, and Kimimaro's reflexes definitely rival Lee's speed.
Sure, but the Hyuuga in question was a member of the head family, stronger than Neji was at that point and probably this point by far, and he hit him in a vital spot in the heart, he couldn't have just hit him anywhere and gotten the same result.
So? If he was able to power through Gaara's sand what makes you think he could not have striking power? When Lee tried to hit Kimimaro's CS2 form, it went THROUGH a wall of Gaara's sand and still knocked Lee back several meters, without it Lee would have died or been horribly injured. Keep in mind that this is still a "slower" Kimimaro.
I'm assuming you phrased that wrong, because you'er stating that every move Neji has made except for a few have exceeded or underdone the amount of energy/chakra he needed for the task.
All the same, it's a part of him that's not going away any time soon. It's funny how you have to put more limiters on Kimimaro so that Neji will stand a chance against him.
Once again, I find it funny that you need to put limiters on Kimimaro so that Neji will stand a chance at even injuring him.
IIRC Yamato is an ANBU. Still I really don't think Neji is more between low to mid level Jounin. He is still a Jounin which is a commendable feat however.
Bloodline limits DON'T give you nearly unlimited chakra supplies, nor do they give you strong and sometimes undefeatable defenses. And yes, in the current state of the Manga Naruto could indeed defeat Sasuke. All he would need to do is put more tails on himself. NOBODY could possibly stand up to nine tails of the Kyuubi, that much is certain.
What I DO know is that Orochimaru is indeed intelligent. For god's sake he INVENTED the Edo Tensei technique, he killed Sandaime Hokage, and he created a hidden village which is of steadily rising power. You need some intelligence to do that, and bringing Kimimaro and Kabuto along so they could watch is a stupid move, period.
The Genin in question happens to have the MOST POWERFUL THING in the Narutoverse inside him, an unlimited chakra supply because of it, and very powerful forbidden techniques tought to him by some of the best. You can't even compare members of Akatsuki, because I don't recall any Genin fighting Deidara, so your statement is void. Just to be on the safe side let's take a look at the Akatsuki members who have allegedly been "defeated by Chunin and Genin":
Kakuzu: There were so many Jounin there, as well as Hidan's help in killing him. He also needed to have Naruto attacking him with Kage Bunshins and Rasengan, Kakashi (probably Konoha's best Jounin at this point) also assisted in the battle.
Hidan: He has absolutely no brain, the only reason Shikamaru defeated him is because he prepared that entire area for such an event, and he buried Hidan underground. If he hadn't prepared, eventually Hidan would have broken free of the hold and killed Shikamaru.
Sasori: If you can also recall, Chiyo-baasama, a very powerful high-Jounin level puppet master that took down an entire FORTRESS with her 10 puppets, and Sakura, a Chunin who spent two and a half years studying medicine and battle with one of the Legendary Sannin and exceeding the amounts of chakra control Tsunade had at her age.
Kisame: I'm adding this because I feel like it. If you think Neji's taking out his Mizu Bunshins is impressive, think again. Rember everything about Kisame was decreased to 30% its normal at this point, and Mizu Bunshins take 10% of the current power. So that means they were both 3% of Kisame's power each, yeah, impressive.
Most of the pre timeskip Jounin could probably handle Neji for a while, but I agree most of the lower level ones would fall to him.
Please note Naruto's naturally high chakra supply, training by the legendary Sannin, and his Kyuubi. Also note that Gaara's power then is a fraction of what it is now, it's even before he could use Ryuusa Bakuryu and Sabaku Taiso.
He killed one of the pre-timeskip Jounin with absurd ease without even moving. He is also a leading Jounin of Sunagakure and other Jounin take orders from him and look up to him as a commander.
As easily and quickly as the sound four did? I don't think so.
I am not overestimating Kimimaro nor underestimating Neji, I actually think he's one of the better characters. All I'm thinking is that you're overestimating him a bit.

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Neji's the strongest out of the Hyuuga family so far, what makes you sure about that last part?


yeah sure, but have you remembered that Naruto will not let the tails grow? meaning, that'll give Sasuke a chance, also, sasuke has chidori nagashi which doesn't allow naruto to get near which in turn his rasengans are useless

he didn't kill Sandaime, go rewatch now, sandaime used the death god jutsu, that alone killed Sandaime, not Oro

nobody ever brought that into the topic, you're just randomly mumbling

bs, you yourself said, you're opinion was biased in a way,
and I think you're overstimating Kimmi

who would win the fight? well, prolly Kimmi since eh, well, you already said why, but he wouldn't win by a lot

kidmac1

LOL.........Wow I glad I'm not part of a argument for a change. I like Neji's character much more then that Orochimaru groupie Kimimaro!.......but he's still better then Neji weggie. Those bone jutsus he was using are better then anything we seen Neji use. Neji couldn't hope to put a scratch in gaara's sand defense, but without the sand Neji would give him the beating of his life!

Neji is good and all but some people don't match up well against others. No matter how good they look beating up a clone with 3% of the originals power. LMAO. Anyway Kimimaro is better and would win hands down.

O yeah Neji doesn't even know any jutsu(even Naruto's jutsu game is better then Neji's)Neji is still cool but he's not as cool as I thought.

How about Shino vs Kiba

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Shino, bugs and dogs don't mix

kidmac1

Wow you just single handily destroyed my ambitions.

Okay hmm

how about a Naruto Rematch with Kiba w/o the nine tails.

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hmm, naruto did win without the nine tails, so naruto wins again

kidmac1

O..........well that was awhile ago so I forgot what happened.


While Im on the Naruto theme how about him w/o 9tails vs NS Neji

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yeah, he won by farting and then doing the Uzumaki rendan something

Jiraiya vs. Tsunade

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Gaara vs. Zabuza

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I'll say Gaara based on the fact that since Gaara has sand with him all the time and Zabuza is more effective on water. Besides, Sand (Earth) is greater than water.

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I think Gaara would wipe the floor with Zabuza, and Jiraiya vs Tsunade? Well, I'm pretty positive that he doesn't have the physical strength that Tsunade has, nor the healing abilities. He surely has more jutsu's, but we've really not seen what a fully healthy Jiraiya can do.

Anti, I'll not counter your post, since it seems pretty pointless since we both do agree that Kimi would win.

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