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Old 04-11-2006, 01:08 PM   #31
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um,. you can tell bush to go fuck em self without going to jail, people do it al the time, send em letters and shit..
trust me, it's not that easy, the fact is, Bush doesn't have the time/and or money to invetigate everyone who protests againts him, bu there have been reports of people speaking out against him, and then having police/FBI interactions against them.
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Old 04-11-2006, 02:31 PM   #32
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I live in america. they say freedom of spech but we all know it's bull crap. if it truly existed I could tell president Bush to go screw himself and not go to jail!
actually i think u can do that. people are always holding up signs saying "go to hell bush" so i dont see why not....but thats not a good idea
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Old 04-11-2006, 02:43 PM   #33
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actually i think u can do that. people are always holding up signs saying "go to hell bush" so i dont see why not....but thats not a good idea
I know I was just giving an example. I dont have anything against bush.
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Old 04-17-2006, 09:26 AM   #34
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But showing signs that say 'To hell with bush' and stuff like that, It's not really that much.(Until they burn stuff down...) But thosewith the nerve to send letters and sh!t...I think they would send FBI and stuff...
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:10 AM   #35
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freedom of speech.....it's not total freedom....its limited to what "speech" is defined as.....
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Old 04-17-2006, 12:09 PM   #36
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No, it isn't. The only limitations on Freedom of Speech is that it cannot cause harm to people. For example, there is a reason that we do not allow the Neo Nazi groups to go to give their rallies and protests in a place that is predominantly Jewish (especially with Holocaust survivors). We do not allow people to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. Etc.

Any other limitation of the freedom of speech is a terrible blow against our human (and American) rights.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:07 PM   #37
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

If monarchy is used in America at some point the future for whatever reason, then freedom of speech will cease to exist in the U.S.
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:03 PM   #38
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freedom of speech.....it's not total freedom....its limited to what "speech" is defined as.....
ditto, i agree w/ wat she says
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Lightbulb Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

nah, it wont eventually, i guess so...

i am living in a democratic country and yet i still cant understand why it's called freedom. . .

maybe in the next lifetime, it can survive. . .
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Old 06-04-2006, 10:53 AM   #40
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

Freedom of Speech should have a limit.

No mocking religion or other that is sensitive.

Bad Speech will lead to bad things.
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

If you limit my freedom of speech in any way, shape, or form, you limit my very personality. Who says what is obscene and what is wrong? Morality, as I have explained multiple times on NL, is not universal in any way. If I choose to mock a religion, then it is my right to express my feelings. To limit speech is also to limit thought.
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

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If you limit my freedom of speech in any way, shape, or form, you limit my very personality. Who says what is obscene and what is wrong? Morality, as I have explained multiple times on NL, is not universal in any way. If I choose to mock a religion, then it is my right to express my feelings. To limit speech is also to limit thought.

To limit speech doesn't always mean to limit your thought. It's just that you must have to examine well the substance of your speech. That is the time to blunt it if thats what your critical thinking is leading you!
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

But mocking religion, races will cause people go angry. Freedom of speech should considerated other people feelings and things that are sensitive to them .
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To limit speech doesn't always mean to limit your thought. It's just that you must have to examine well the substance of your speech. That is the time to blunt it if thats what your critical thinking is leading you!
Oh no? When a person cannot speak aloud or express themselves fully, there exists a control over us. In many places of the world, certain topics cannot be discussed in an attempt by the government to change public opinion on these matters. If you control speech, you have a form of control of thought.

Don't believe me? Watch what happens to NL if we ban people if they say that Naruto is bad. We'd be left with only people who like it here. Now let us pretend that NL is actually a country. We execute people for speaking ill of Naruto. We do not allow outside commentry on Naruto (if it is of the opinion that the show is bad). Public opinion will always be that Naruto is wonderful.

Are you offended if I decide to call all women bitches? Too bad. That's my personal opinion. To penalize me for saying that is to control my thoughts. Get it?

Hence why I am against ANY form of speech control.

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But mocking religion, races will cause people go angry. Freedom of speech should considerated other people feelings and things that are sensitive to them .
And? So WHAT if people get offended if I make fun of them? They get angry and do shit? Too bad. It is my RIGHT to THINK and FEEL as I so choose. If I want to announce to the public that I think that Jews are all dickheads, then it is my right.

(Note: I don't think ill of Jews. I am Jewish. ...That's why I used it as an example.)
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Re: Freedom of speech: Can it survive?

I agree that if you limit someone's ability to speak freely, however even if you allow free speech people can still abuse it. I mean look at the religous right who argue that Homosexuality is a disease, when it has been proven not to be. Therefore freedom of speech is nessisary, but it was created so that it would not impede (I can't spell) on other people's personal rights. Also truthfully i would right now be more afraid of wire tappings, because i fear that our country it going down a dark road that I fear will look something like the third reich (this is my oppinnion and i know i cannot spell).

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