Should Marijuana be illegal - Page 3

DarkAztek · 03-08-2006, 01:59 PM

Just so we're clear, I do support legalizing marijuana... See my first post about it. The thing is, I don't believe I have shitty reasoning, which is why I am attacking other people's complaints about why it should be made legal.

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most people would collapse a lung collapse long before smoking to lower their blood pressure that much barring any medical condition.

I know from first hand experience. I know from my EMS buddies. Pot dramatically lowers the blood pressure in your body. It can get worse if you do something like drink a bunch of coffee or soda before you smoke up. Caffine causes the heart to beat faster, which with a lowered blood pressure will cause you to hyperventilate. Need I continue with what will happen next?

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pot would at most (and in a rare few cases) be a contributing factor (thats also technically not death by OD either). secondly, i'm so sure that's its used less than alcohol (i'll look up the numbers - i could be wrong here but i'd be really surprised). but even if it is used less, drunks are far more dangerous than potheads. thirdly, there's plenty of research supporting its medicinal value.

Perhaps because it is not legal that it is used by less people? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that drunks are more dangerous than potheads. Do you have any statistics to back you up? Right now you seem to be doing pure speculation.

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this aside, if the government isn't concerned about cigarettes or alcohol (which it shouldn't be - its people own choice what they do in this extent) paternalism should not be a basis for making laws. i don't see much bad coming from legalizing pot...amsterdam hasn't collapsed yet after all...

...Well actually, YEAH. They are concerned. Hence why we had prohibition and we have all kinds of laws limiting both ciggs and alcohol.

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I look at it this way, if cigarteets are legal then pot should be legal, at least with pot ther''res a lot of fun to be had, what do cigaretes do? that right they just kill people, you'll never see a movie devoted to the lame ass art of smoking cigaretes, but pot is almost always funny.

Your logic astounds me. Because you smoke them both they should be legal? Ciggarettes kill people. So does pot. It contributes to accidents, fights, and a large percentage of it actually helps to fuel terrorism. And you can get all types of problems from pot too. Marijuana smoke is over 100 times more harsh on your vocal chords than ciggarette smoke. Anything you smoke is a carcinogen and can cause cancer.

People on crack are funny. By your logic, we should legalize crack cocaine too?

OffTheChain · 03-08-2006, 02:02 PM

Over here its always said that the illegality of cannabis and other drugs only forces users to get their supply frm dealers with stocks of it, or it is the "gateway" for them to move onto harder drugs.

why doesn't the government suggest smoking or drinking alcohol as a "gateway" to harder drugs? They are legal yeh, but marijuana is more or less like alcohol. So i suppose it should be legal.

People say it should be illegal because it does this and it does that. Well the people taking it may have already known the consequences of smoking or alcohol and yet still take it. so i really dont see the diff.

Jaxon · 03-08-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OffTheChain2

People say it should be illegal because it does this and it does that. Well the people taking it may have already known the consequences of smoking or alcohol and yet still take it. so i really dont see the diff.

That's a bit understated. It's a mood enhancer - if someone's felling really depressed when taking it, they'll feel more depressed, in the worst cases possibly leading to suicide. Also, THC in the plant breaks bonds in the brain, which are especially suscpetible in teenage years, which cause brain damage and loss of sanity. And that happens all the time, it's not just occassional occurences. In teenage "mental institutions" (I use the term generally), usually around 80% of the cases have taken marijuana reguarly.

Also, these days, some parents promote the drug, as the "wacky tobbaccy" they used in their youth. The stuff being sold on today's streets is a completely different drug, especially skunk. People underestimate the power the stuff now has. I am firmly of the opinion it should be illegal. Most definitely.

DarkAztek · 03-08-2006, 09:04 PM

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why doesn't the government suggest smoking or drinking alcohol as a "gateway" to harder drugs? They are legal yeh, but marijuana is more or less like alcohol. So i suppose it should be legal.

They do say that ciggs and alcohol are gateway drugs.

SharinganEyes · 03-08-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OffTheChain2

People say it should be illegal because it does this and it does that. Well the people taking it may have already known the consequences of smoking or alcohol and yet still take it. so i really dont see the diff.

you've got a point, you know.. but as i said in my post
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Originally Posted by SharinganEyes

besides, we already so much problems with drugs already- trafficking, and no doubt the rising number of users, why must we legalize another one?

it's just too troublesome..why make it bigger when it's already a big problem?

Ore-sama · 03-08-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SharinganEyes

it's just too troublesome..why make it bigger when it's already a big problem?

"Mendoukusai...."

You know, when things are illegal, people do illegal things to obtain them. When things are legal, the damage done for or against them, will be reduced to brain damage of the consuming individual. When I can get pot legally, why should I beat up, blackmail, rob or murder someone? I can just go to the pharmacy.

Troublesome not at all.

SharinganEyes · 03-08-2006, 09:56 PM

yeah, the point on ur "do legally=legal" is right.
i mean, i'm more concerned about the aftermath of it.. it's like, already in the past people got hooked, and now u want to legalize it, and there's already existing problems- drugs, drug trafficking, (hmm..)crimes, bird flu.. the govt would appreciate if there's one more less..

yup, i also do appreciate the medical value of pot..but if you weigh the positive and negative, negative effects outweigh..

look long term too, the short term is good, not bad. but in the case of long term, it will pose more problems.

Azumi · 03-08-2006, 10:45 PM

before, the chinese use marijuana as a a herbal drug.
it is only on the modern studies that made marijuana illegal
why?
1. because smoking it makes a person hallunicinate, therefore making himself possible of crime or damages either on his own or to others
2. it is not needed today as a herbal drug. many drugs are available nowadays...
3. you can plant it everywhere, so anyone, even minors, can use it.

the others?
i dont know already
just look for a link about the illegalozation of marijuana.
thanks..

doglike · 03-08-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkAztek

I know from first hand experience. I know from my EMS buddies. Pot dramatically lowers the blood pressure in your body. It can get worse if you do something like drink a bunch of coffee or soda before you smoke up.

I'm not trying to belabor the point, but I really don't think that for the vast majority of pot smokers this is a concern. I've neither witnessed someone suffer from this nor heard about it in literature/propaganda I've read before and am genuinely curious about any information you have on this topic. As for potheads vs. drunks, drunk people can be very quarrelsome and disruptive whereas the stoners tend to be more mellow and keep to themselves. I've been to numerous sporting events where I've seen people get into fights that probably wouldn't have occured had the people involved been not drunk or high. Perhaps "dangerous" was a poor choice of words on my behalf since what was meant by the term is ambiguous.

k-strife · 03-09-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuerhachi Niru

If marijuana causes as much problems as smoking & alchohol does why should'nt
it be legal? I bet less people would die over it if it wasn't illegal.

( I don't smoke pot if that's what you're thinking...)

Okay, read what you just wrote and find the flaw. If marijuana can be JUST as bad if not worse, WHY would you legalize it? Why legalize something that you already know will be a problem?

And explain to me how less people will die if it was legal. If anything it'd reach a LARGER audience group thus increasing death rate.

Dosu · 03-09-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkAztek

Just so we're clear, I do support legalizing marijuana... See my first post about it. The thing is, I don't believe I have shitty reasoning, which is why I am attacking other people's complaints about why it should be made legal.

I know from first hand experience. I know from my EMS buddies. Pot dramatically lowers the blood pressure in your body. It can get worse if you do something like drink a bunch of coffee or soda before you smoke up. Caffine causes the heart to beat faster, which with a lowered blood pressure will cause you to hyperventilate. Need I continue with what will happen next?

Perhaps because it is not legal that it is used by less people? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that drunks are more dangerous than potheads. Do you have any statistics to back you up? Right now you seem to be doing pure speculation.

...Well actually, YEAH. They are concerned. Hence why we had prohibition and we have all kinds of laws limiting both ciggs and alcohol.

Your logic astounds me. Because you smoke them both they should be legal? Ciggarettes kill people. So does pot. It contributes to accidents, fights, and a large percentage of it actually helps to fuel terrorism. And you can get all types of problems from pot too. Marijuana smoke is over 100 times more harsh on your vocal chords than ciggarette smoke. Anything you smoke is a carcinogen and can cause cancer.

People on crack are funny. By your logic, we should legalize crack cocaine too?

jeeze dude chill the hell out, I try to have a little fun, and you go ape shit on me. you need to take things less seriously, lol, maybe you should smoke some pot, I understand that pot isn't good for you (hell if it was I'd probably do it myself) I just wanted to make a joke while at least kind of expressing my opinion. There are plenty of valid reasons why pot should be legalised, I just focused on one of the funnier asspects, I'm telling you D.A. if you keep taking everything so seriously your gonna have a brain anerism.

Pride · 03-09-2006, 01:43 PM

Let me tell all of you one thing, there is 1 reason and 1 reason only that pot is illegal... and thats becouse the government cant tax it.

If the government could tax it beleive me they dont give two shits about you and your health, they just want money. itd be legal.

now, most of you are wrong... probably all of you.. im not sure i didnt read the entire thread.. but marijuana is not addictive, it does not destroy any brain cells, it does not impair you in anyway, all it does is relaxes you. if you see someone going around acting crazy becouse they're high on weed, slap them in the face and tell em to stop actinglike a douchebag becouse 9 times outa ten there only like that to try and get noticed.

Pride · 03-09-2006, 03:54 PM

well you cant drive... so =/

DarkAztek · 03-09-2006, 08:55 PM

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Let me tell all of you one thing, there is 1 reason and 1 reason only that pot is illegal... and thats becouse the government cant tax it.

If the government could tax it beleive me they dont give two shits about you and your health, they just want money. itd be legal.

Wtfsauce? Why couldn't they tax it? They can tax almost anything. There is even a tax on pens and pencils. Why exactly can they not tax pot?

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now, most of you are wrong... probably all of you.. im not sure i didnt read the entire thread.. but marijuana is not addictive, it does not destroy any brain cells, it does not impair you in anyway, all it does is relaxes you. if you see someone going around acting crazy becouse they're high on weed, slap them in the face and tell em to stop actinglike a douchebag becouse 9 times outa ten there only like that to try and get noticed.

Bwa ha ha ha ha! Do some reasearch. Marijuana is both physically and mentally addictive. Smoking it once changes the very way your brain works. The high, coming from the THC in the drug, influences your ability to feel pleasure, your memory, it inhibits your thoughts and concentration, sensory and time perception, and your coordinated movements. It effects the way dopamine works throughout your entire body. It changes heart rates, causes respitory illnesses, destroys the immune system, and changes your cognitive and social abilities. Don't give me the "it doesn't do anything bad" crap.

SharinganEyes · 03-09-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pride

now, most of you are wrong... probably all of you.. im not sure i didnt read the entire thread.. but marijuana is not addictive, it does not destroy any brain cells, it does not impair you in anyway, all it does is relaxes you. if you see someone going around acting crazy becouse they're high on weed, slap them in the face and tell em to stop actinglike a douchebag becouse 9 times outa ten there only like that to try and get noticed.

you must be out of ur mind..seriously..i think u nv tried before marijuana, dun assume..

03-08-2006, 09:56 PM	#37
SharinganEyes Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Reading Come Come paradise Age: 25 Posts: 667 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yeah, the point on ur "do legally=legal" is right. i mean, i'm more concerned about the aftermath of it.. it's like, already in the past people got hooked, and now u want to legalize it, and there's already existing problems- drugs, drug trafficking, (hmm..)crimes, bird flu.. the govt would appreciate if there's one more less.. yup, i also do appreciate the medical value of pot..but if you weigh the positive and negative, negative effects outweigh.. look long term too, the short term is good, not bad. but in the case of long term, it will pose more problems. __________________ creator- beautiful green beast

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Azumi 유아쿨입유캔리드디스 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the land of rubbershoes and dirty ice cream... ;o) Posts: 3,703 Thanks: 730 Thanked 356 Times in 273 Posts	before, the chinese use marijuana as a a herbal drug. it is only on the modern studies that made marijuana illegal why? 1. because smoking it makes a person hallunicinate, therefore making himself possible of crime or damages either on his own or to others 2. it is not needed today as a herbal drug. many drugs are available nowadays... 3. you can plant it everywhere, so anyone, even minors, can use it. the others? i dont know already just look for a link about the illegalozation of marijuana. thanks.. __________________ I LOL'D. 삳 압. 유 아 이스투피드.

03-09-2006, 01:43 PM	#42
Pride Change is coming Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Louisiana Age: 23 Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Let me tell all of you one thing, there is 1 reason and 1 reason only that pot is illegal... and thats becouse the government cant tax it. If the government could tax it beleive me they dont give two shits about you and your health, they just want money. itd be legal. now, most of you are wrong... probably all of you.. im not sure i didnt read the entire thread.. but marijuana is not addictive, it does not destroy any brain cells, it does not impair you in anyway, all it does is relaxes you. if you see someone going around acting crazy becouse they're high on weed, slap them in the face and tell em to stop actinglike a douchebag becouse 9 times outa ten there only like that to try and get noticed. __________________ [1.14.20.9 - 14.15.15.2]

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03-08-2006, 02:02 PM	#32
OffTheChain ☆ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,963 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Over here its always said that the illegality of cannabis and other drugs only forces users to get their supply frm dealers with stocks of it, or it is the "gateway" for them to move onto harder drugs. why doesn't the government suggest smoking or drinking alcohol as a "gateway" to harder drugs? They are legal yeh, but marijuana is more or less like alcohol. So i suppose it should be legal. People say it should be illegal because it does this and it does that. Well the people taking it may have already known the consequences of smoking or alcohol and yet still take it. so i really dont see the diff.

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