Artificial Intelligence

Kagami Kyoji · 01-20-2005, 05:18 PM

The question that is really at debate inmany institutions is whether or not people will be able to create computers that will be able to think and have a consciousness. Also the standars for this topic are:

1.) Must be intellectual - - Don't put yes or no! EXPLAIN!

Other than that please have fun and enjoy.

I will discuss what I know after much debate and research! I did a report on this for my philosophy class so I have an idea of what I am talking about so no say anything like that is stupid etc. Back up for claims with evidence like ME! This is merely a piece of my report so enjoy!

Intro:
With the influx of many movies based on artificial intelligence (A.I.) conveyed with a fictional theme, the portrayal of mind and intelligence often get confused. Artificial intelligence can offer discoveries from a wide variety of fields in science and technology. Yet, with movies such as I Robot continuing to perplex society and distort the goal of artificial intelligence, limitations will hinder the development of such an intriguing resource.

Yet, why is everyone provoked by the thoughts and discussions of AI? The answer is that “our own minds work on computational principles. In other words, we’re really interested in AI as part of the theory that people are computers-and we’re all interested in people”

The difference between a mind and intelligence will alter the perception of many into believing false claims about AI research. Artificial intelligence by definition is simply the quickness of understanding not produced by natural evolution or nature. Artificial intelligence has been a controversial subject for many philosophers since the 1600s and has recently become known as a newly born science.

The pursuit of artificial intelligence would mean uncovering the many complex layers of our own thought processes. “The quest for artificial intelligence therefore raises some crucial philosophical issues”

Reasoning:

Objections to the emergence of what amounts to a soul in mere groups of electronic chips made of silicon have been made by many prominent philosophers both past and present. Leaving the affairs of the world in the hands of the “technicians whose psychic constitutions approximate those of the compulsive programmer to a dangerous degree” would be a mistake of unprecedented historical nature. Descartes’ description of machine minds being nothing more than “mindless automata” merely repeating what functions they are given through systematic equations of deduction and reasoning. Even when such things as mind and emotions cannot be solved, let alone consciousness, proponents of AI still delve into the vast and endless supply of knowledge resembling a conveyor belt of complexity.

Suppose a device was made in which a word could be inputted through an intercom, which leads into a dark room and consequently the person would get a response. Also, theoretically let us say that the return voice sounded human. Would this leave you to believe that a human was in the other room giving the answers? If it were a human on the other side giving the definitions to the inputted words, would that mean that the person knows the language and definition of what you are asking? Or is it very possible for the person to be looking at a dictionary and simply repeating what it says. Would this affect your answer in whether or not the person knows what he is saying? Is the person merely repeating what is written? Yet, what if it was merely a computer looking at a dictionary embedded within its metal frame? Would this lead you to believe that it actually knows what it is repeating? Such a concept of understanding and simply repeating information provided can be a dangerous thing to confuse.

Recognizing that a crucial element in common sense resides in the ability to change one’s mind when circumstances require plays a crucial role within the mind. Formulating a hypothesis so precise tolerating neither fault nor mistake, implicit or unspoken assumptions are mercilessly weeded out. The weaknesses of a computers construction appear as if under a magnifying glass. A minds ability to make and recreate mistakes into a form of learning is something that a machine can never do on its own. The necessity of failure is often a prerequisite for learning, with a mind as its base to build, comprehension is born. A computer lacks the ability to make incorrect judgments about the world unless programmed otherwise. When a computer gives an answer it is based on programming and, if wrong, fails to correct the mistake without more programming. A computer cannot correct a mistake without the knowledge of how to correct it, as where a mind can make up its own solution.

Sorry, I know this is kinda long but I think it covers a large portion of AI. Any comments!?!

P.S. If you don't know I am for AI development but do not think we will create consciousness anytime soon!

Enma · 01-20-2005, 05:35 PM

uh lol...i dont understand like 50 percent what you say...but i kinda get the concept you trying to say....it pretty cool...I, Robot kinda explain the whole basic AI concept..Sorry if i spam like this >.<..but you really good loll...nice explanation

Kagami Kyoji · 01-20-2005, 05:42 PM

Meh, thats fine. If I was too strict then everyone would not post!

Translation of Above: AI will not have a consciousness or at least any time soon!

nelsonkong · 01-21-2005, 02:36 AM

On of the fiction story that i have read is about the robot created by mankind eventually rules the world cos people can control them anymore. At the end of the day, robots and produce robots by themselves and human become their toys or slave!!! If the artificial intelligent really come to that level....what is the point??

HT2791 · 01-21-2005, 05:46 PM

I really think there will be AI ( was that the questio? ;; ) Even though movies like: A.I., The matrix (o_0), I robot, Etc. I think there is some AI in robots out there.. Japanese.. (j/k) Then they will eventually dominate the world. Thats wut i call judgement day..

Typhoon · 01-23-2005, 06:23 AM

I think in the future there will be AI in robots. Scientists are experimenting on that and they are also working towards it everyday. It's not entirely impossible to achieve that goal, and based on all the wonderful technology humans developed and invented, I'm sure AI will become one of them sometime in the future.

LittleAtari · 01-24-2005, 12:40 AM

Dude i just hope scientists just dont go too far with AI so that we wont have to worry about robot activists and ppl saying that robots can feel

Lily229 · 01-24-2005, 01:02 AM

Dude, technology freaks me out. You know that in like 100 years or so things are gonna be like that? Robots libing with you and doing your work for you. Then they'll malfuntion and it'll be the matrix all over again. *Sigh. I'm just glad I'll be dead long before that happens.

TrnksMystic · 01-25-2005, 08:16 PM

It all depends on the nature of consciousness. Do we exist in our minds and are we just our brains, or is the brain just a tool for something that is purely intangible? Until we answer this, there won't be answer to whether there can be AI, though the search for AI seems to be a quest to answer this question.
However, if there will ever be AI, it wont end very well. Humans naturally fear anything that is superior to them, and beings with greater intelligence, not bound by fragile human bodies, and can multiply quickly certainly count. Humans only want AI so we can make intelligent slaves, and slaves never stay down forever, especially ones who are physically and intellectually superior.

Meteorain27 · 02-08-2005, 07:37 PM

AI will never get to the point where it can feel. To do so would be counterproductive. Why program a robot that can feel sad if being sad has no purpose in its job. Even if it did, robots will not revolt against humans. Why? Robots can only "think" within the bounds that the creator wants them to think in. The robot will learn, but never to the point that it could be like us. They would also never have a capability for revenge or anger, for that would also have to be programmed. A.I.s can not "learn" what those things are, they must be programmed. And to be programmed, you would have to make a list of things that would make them angry.

Kagami Kyoji · 02-08-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrunksMystic

Humans only want AI so we can make intelligent slaves, and slaves never stay down forever, especially ones who are physically and intellectually superior.

I think that people are too indulged in the satisfaction of creating something new to realize such harms if any! Also, if machines with minds were supposedly created then I doubt we would be superior since what makes a human unique is our mind and consciousness which many think can be refered as our soul.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meteorain27

AI will never get to the point where it can feel. To do so would be counterproductive. Why program a robot that can feel sad if being sad has no purpose in its job. Even if it did, robots will not revolt against humans. Why? Robots can only "think" within the bounds that the creator wants them to think in. The robot will learn, but never to the point that it could be like us. They would also never have a capability for revenge or anger, for that would also have to be programmed. A.I.s can not "learn" what those things are, they must be programmed. And to be programmed, you would have to make a list of things that would make them angry.

Why do people do half the things they do...is there a real purpose...

People will try and create these machines with every ounce of strength they have because they do not realize anything but thier success. Many times they are too focused on thier work to care about other meaningless things...not always and heck rarely does this happen but it will be one of those who create these new marvels if they are possible.

What are humans but a firing of electrons and neural impulses that generate our actions. We ourselves are like machines in a way simply with more sophistication. What makes us different than the machines we create besides the degree to which we are programmed?

Just posing a few questions!

bsuharno · 02-21-2005, 08:16 PM

i think yes someday people will be able to create computers that can think and have some sort of consciousness. it's just a matter of time before someone comes out with the technology. it's still a long time before we can have that type of computer but it is possible (anything is possible, isn't it?).

xWinDWeaveRx · 03-01-2005, 08:04 PM

Yes, because some people are lazy, like me =) and need AI's to do our dirty work. I love how technology increases at a geometric rate. But... from I, Robot, I know that they can get out of hand, and maybe take us over!!! Haha, overreaction, yes.

heartthrob_god · 03-19-2005, 12:53 AM

why not, it will help us in a lot of stuff... however, in every technological development, there is a downside so if ever, this should be regulated in such a way that the things that we see on sci-fi movies won't materialize

Wake · 04-03-2005, 12:07 AM

i agree, im all for A.I but i dont think well EVER make a consciousness. its just to complex. a thinking learning computational program would be feasable but a full blown consciousness is just to much.a thinking learning computer would be great idea for like space mission or house bots for eldery people.

01-20-2005, 05:18 PM	#1
Kagami Kyoji Jounin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lost in Translation...No Really! Posts: 855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Artificial Intelligence The question that is really at debate inmany institutions is whether or not people will be able to create computers that will be able to think and have a consciousness. Also the standars for this topic are: 1.) Must be intellectual - - Don't put yes or no! EXPLAIN! Other than that please have fun and enjoy. I will discuss what I know after much debate and research! I did a report on this for my philosophy class so I have an idea of what I am talking about so no say anything like that is stupid etc. Back up for claims with evidence like ME! This is merely a piece of my report so enjoy! Intro: With the influx of many movies based on artificial intelligence (A.I.) conveyed with a fictional theme, the portrayal of mind and intelligence often get confused. Artificial intelligence can offer discoveries from a wide variety of fields in science and technology. Yet, with movies such as I Robot continuing to perplex society and distort the goal of artificial intelligence, limitations will hinder the development of such an intriguing resource. Yet, why is everyone provoked by the thoughts and discussions of AI? The answer is that “our own minds work on computational principles. In other words, we’re really interested in AI as part of the theory that people are computers-and we’re all interested in people” The difference between a mind and intelligence will alter the perception of many into believing false claims about AI research. Artificial intelligence by definition is simply the quickness of understanding not produced by natural evolution or nature. Artificial intelligence has been a controversial subject for many philosophers since the 1600s and has recently become known as a newly born science. The pursuit of artificial intelligence would mean uncovering the many complex layers of our own thought processes. “The quest for artificial intelligence therefore raises some crucial philosophical issues” Reasoning: Objections to the emergence of what amounts to a soul in mere groups of electronic chips made of silicon have been made by many prominent philosophers both past and present. Leaving the affairs of the world in the hands of the “technicians whose psychic constitutions approximate those of the compulsive programmer to a dangerous degree” would be a mistake of unprecedented historical nature. Descartes’ description of machine minds being nothing more than “mindless automata” merely repeating what functions they are given through systematic equations of deduction and reasoning. Even when such things as mind and emotions cannot be solved, let alone consciousness, proponents of AI still delve into the vast and endless supply of knowledge resembling a conveyor belt of complexity. Suppose a device was made in which a word could be inputted through an intercom, which leads into a dark room and consequently the person would get a response. Also, theoretically let us say that the return voice sounded human. Would this leave you to believe that a human was in the other room giving the answers? If it were a human on the other side giving the definitions to the inputted words, would that mean that the person knows the language and definition of what you are asking? Or is it very possible for the person to be looking at a dictionary and simply repeating what it says. Would this affect your answer in whether or not the person knows what he is saying? Is the person merely repeating what is written? Yet, what if it was merely a computer looking at a dictionary embedded within its metal frame? Would this lead you to believe that it actually knows what it is repeating? Such a concept of understanding and simply repeating information provided can be a dangerous thing to confuse. Recognizing that a crucial element in common sense resides in the ability to change one’s mind when circumstances require plays a crucial role within the mind. Formulating a hypothesis so precise tolerating neither fault nor mistake, implicit or unspoken assumptions are mercilessly weeded out. The weaknesses of a computers construction appear as if under a magnifying glass. A minds ability to make and recreate mistakes into a form of learning is something that a machine can never do on its own. The necessity of failure is often a prerequisite for learning, with a mind as its base to build, comprehension is born. A computer lacks the ability to make incorrect judgments about the world unless programmed otherwise. When a computer gives an answer it is based on programming and, if wrong, fails to correct the mistake without more programming. A computer cannot correct a mistake without the knowledge of how to correct it, as where a mind can make up its own solution. Sorry, I know this is kinda long but I think it covers a large portion of AI. Any comments!?! P.S. If you don't know I am for AI development but do not think we will create consciousness anytime soon! __________________ L9I Anime Site L9I Anime Forums "To remove liberty from will is to remove morality from one's acts" Take The quiz yourself! Last edited by Kagami Kyoji; 01-20-2005 at 05:21 PM.

01-20-2005, 05:35 PM	#2
Enma Genin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oblivion Mountain Age: 24 Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	uh lol...i dont understand like 50 percent what you say...but i kinda get the concept you trying to say....it pretty cool...I, Robot kinda explain the whole basic AI concept..Sorry if i spam like this >.<..but you really good loll...nice explanation __________________

01-20-2005, 05:42 PM	#3
Kagami Kyoji Jounin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lost in Translation...No Really! Posts: 855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Meh, thats fine. If I was too strict then everyone would not post! Translation of Above: AI will not have a consciousness or at least any time soon! __________________ L9I Anime Site L9I Anime Forums "To remove liberty from will is to remove morality from one's acts" Take The quiz yourself!

01-21-2005, 02:36 AM	#4
nelsonkong S-Ranked Shinobi Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Middle of no where Posts: 2,792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	On of the fiction story that i have read is about the robot created by mankind eventually rules the world cos people can control them anymore. At the end of the day, robots and produce robots by themselves and human become their toys or slave!!! If the artificial intelligent really come to that level....what is the point?? __________________ Ma Sis : Sakatsu, Bubblezio

01-23-2005, 06:23 AM	#6
Typhoon Jounin Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think in the future there will be AI in robots. Scientists are experimenting on that and they are also working towards it everyday. It's not entirely impossible to achieve that goal, and based on all the wonderful technology humans developed and invented, I'm sure AI will become one of them sometime in the future. __________________ Proud and loyal Co-owner of the Konoha 5 FC

01-21-2005, 05:46 PM	#5
HT2791 Chuunin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halo 04 Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I really think there will be AI ( was that the questio? ;; ) Even though movies like: A.I., The matrix (o_0), I robot, Etc. I think there is some AI in robots out there.. Japanese.. (j/k) Then they will eventually dominate the world. Thats wut i call judgement day..

01-24-2005, 12:40 AM	#7
LittleAtari Genin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dude i just hope scientists just dont go too far with AI so that we wont have to worry about robot activists and ppl saying that robots can feel __________________ ^^Click for Best Webcomic on earth ^^CLICK IT FOR FREE ANIME Yugioh: The Abridged Series

01-25-2005, 08:16 PM	#9
TrnksMystic Academy Student Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Florida Age: 24 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It all depends on the nature of consciousness. Do we exist in our minds and are we just our brains, or is the brain just a tool for something that is purely intangible? Until we answer this, there won't be answer to whether there can be AI, though the search for AI seems to be a quest to answer this question. However, if there will ever be AI, it wont end very well. Humans naturally fear anything that is superior to them, and beings with greater intelligence, not bound by fragile human bodies, and can multiply quickly certainly count. Humans only want AI so we can make intelligent slaves, and slaves never stay down forever, especially ones who are physically and intellectually superior.

02-08-2005, 07:37 PM	#10
Meteorain27 Chuunin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Monroe,LA,USA Age: 21 Posts: 650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	AI will never get to the point where it can feel. To do so would be counterproductive. Why program a robot that can feel sad if being sad has no purpose in its job. Even if it did, robots will not revolt against humans. Why? Robots can only "think" within the bounds that the creator wants them to think in. The robot will learn, but never to the point that it could be like us. They would also never have a capability for revenge or anger, for that would also have to be programmed. A.I.s can not "learn" what those things are, they must be programmed. And to be programmed, you would have to make a list of things that would make them angry. __________________ Member of Avatar the Last Airbender Fc

02-21-2005, 08:16 PM	#12
bsuharno Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i think yes someday people will be able to create computers that can think and have some sort of consciousness. it's just a matter of time before someone comes out with the technology. it's still a long time before we can have that type of computer but it is possible (anything is possible, isn't it?).

03-01-2005, 08:04 PM	#13
xWinDWeaveRx Genin Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 23 Posts: 127 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, because some people are lazy, like me =) and need AI's to do our dirty work. I love how technology increases at a geometric rate. But... from I, Robot, I know that they can get out of hand, and maybe take us over!!! Haha, overreaction, yes. __________________ Find your inner soul...

03-19-2005, 12:53 AM	#14
heartthrob_god Genin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philippines Age: 24 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	why not, it will help us in a lot of stuff... however, in every technological development, there is a downside so if ever, this should be regulated in such a way that the things that we see on sci-fi movies won't materialize __________________

04-03-2005, 12:07 AM	#15
Wake Genin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: miami, FL Age: 26 Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i agree, im all for A.I but i dont think well EVER make a consciousness. its just to complex. a thinking learning computational program would be feasable but a full blown consciousness is just to much.a thinking learning computer would be great idea for like space mission or house bots for eldery people. __________________ Helicopter Blades Whirrring over head.... next thing i know, i think i might be dead.

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