krurk

I meant his personality, no Uchiha acts like him.

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1. Naruto's act 1 was really good

2. Part Two started off alright, it introduced new characters and it continued to show the same potential, honestly, the story had a lot of promise up until the Pain Arc.

3. Pain Arc occurs and all Leaf ninja are revived after they were slaughtered, this started the failing of Kishi because he won't kill off main charcters.

4. Kage Summit was a tad disappointing simply because we didn't see any of the charcters that SHOULD have been introduced during the chuunin exams.

5. The War has been epicly disappointing because Kishi is killing off Edo's in a matter of one chapter when each edo (Kages, Swordsman, Nagato and Itachi) when they should get around 4 or 5 chapters of dedication.

Kishi started cutting the story shorter, his chapters have gotten shorter from 21 pages to 17 per week,

Now if you don't like this reasoning, you can simply go to another forum.

almightywood

Lol, what a statement.

Sagensyg

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20090730...e%20crying.jpg

krurk

Sasuke would rampage anyone that stood in his way, even when he is blind....

Tobi just teleports, and says "oh no, I don't want to fight." Find me an Uchiha did not live to fight, not possible because anyone who activated sharingan was fighting.

The Uchiha clan is basically the Saiyans, Goku and Vegeta would never back down from a fight, they live for it, its the same thing with the Uchiha, the Madara on the battlefield is a ballsy motherfucker, if someone tried to attack him he wouldn't just warp, he'd put an ass beating on him.

Tobi can not be Madara.

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1. Naruto's act 1 was really good

2. Part Two started off alright, it introduced new characters and it continued to show the same potential, honestly, the story had a lot of promise up until the Pain Arc.

3. Pain Arc occurs and all Leaf ninja are revived after they were slaughtered, this started the failing of Kishi because he won't kill off main charcters.

4. Kage Summit was a tad disappointing simply because we didn't see any of the charcters that SHOULD have been introduced during the chuunin exams.

5. The War has been epicly disappointing because Kishi is killing off Edo's in a matter of one chapter when each edo (Kages, Swordsman, Nagato and Itachi) when they should get around 4 or 5 chapters of dedication.

Kishi started cutting the story shorter, his chapters have gotten shorter from 21 pages to 17 per week,

Now if you don't like this reasoning, you can simply go to another forum.

bernzion

That time with Kisame dunno maybe he did'nt recognize him at all cauze tobi/sasuke like I said he's from d future It would assume that he's an 40-50 yr old dude.

And also this one ninjutsu/doujutsu such as Kakashi's Kamui and Minato's Flying Thunder God have shown that it is possible to manipulate space within the Naruto Universe, it is safe to assume that time may be manipulated as well. If so, such a technique would most likely be born of a special kekkei-genkai such as the EMS. And we know he just only used Itachi's eye techs & redeveloped it and yeah a glimpse of his new technique that can swallow amaterasu...

Sasuke has does have the motivation to have traveled back in time. It is safe to say that Sasuke is hell-bent on restoring the Uchiha clan, or taking any steps necessary to make it flourish once again, even if once again may be in the past. Given Sasuke's demeanor, I would not put it past him to attempt to travel back in time and confront Madara in an attempt to prevent the Uchiha from joining the Senju clan in the founding of Konoha; one could even take this a few steps further and assume that our Sasuke (present in the past) may have been the one to have instigated the original incident which led to the feud between the Senju and Uchiha.

By using Kabuto's knowledge of medical and experimental ninjutsu, Sasuke may have had the tools necessary to become Tobi.

Take a look at what we have in Tobi's base of operations right now:
too freaking many white Zetsu clones, Yamato (who just so happens to possess the DNA of Hashirama Senju), and Kabuto (who is most likely the greatest medical ninja that the Naruto Universe has ever seen). Once we place the pieces of this puzzle together, we have presented Sasuke the ability to possess the DNA of a Senju, thereby giving him the ability to use Izanagi as Tobi, if he needs to. Now, this is personal speculation, but I believe that Madara Uchiha received the Rinnegan ONLY as the result of possessing the DNA of a Senju, which he has admitted he had received after their fight and used it. I believe that Sasuke/Tobi approached Madara and offered to infuse the Senju DNA with Madara's own, as he did with himself.

Offered as an Argument for This Case:

I'm sure that eventually everyone is going to ask: "If Rinnegan is a result of the fusion of Senju and Uchiha DNA within those in possession of the EMS, why doesn't Tobi have it from the get-go?"

It's simple: Sasuke did not have access to PURE Senju DNA; he merely had access to the bastardized strain present within Yamato. It can be seen even in the use of wood-style abilities: Yamato just doesn't possess purely Senju
DNA, which explain why his wood-style jutsu appears in the form of blocks as opposed to Hashirama's, whose jutsu appeared more aesthetically natural.

Contributing to this theory: Tobi is never seen using wood-style, but he makes it quite clear to Konan that he possesses the DNA of a Senju as he is explaining Izanagi; also, when seen using wood-style, Madara has a form closer to Hashirama's, as opposed to Yamato's "blocky" style.

Also, I believe that Kabuto possesses more knowledge concerning
immortality than he lets on (He wants to know badly about immortality & beyond in the Naruto universe blah blah).... Think about Orochimaru
wanted an Uchiha body, correct? Why not take one before and be the most unstoppable ninja with Sharingan? The answer is simple: he could not sustain the body...yet.... I believe that Orochimaru's time spent with the Akatsuki was used, among other reasons, to study Hidan, the natural immortal and Pain (Rinnegan).


Tobi assumed the guise of Madara during the current Shinobi World Warnot only to rally his opponents to arms, but also because, in the event of his mask being removed, he could claim that he was Madara (since Sasuke and Madara share near impeccable facial resemblance and almost the same Motivations).

Also about Shisui, a little disagree with it mate... cuz when Itachi met Tobi. Tobi is more like Madara or Raditz or a long haired jet blue haired Sasuke. (I forgot that panel sorry ^^).

And yeah I got bothered when Edo Itachi said that Tobi knew all about him...


Just don't take it seriously guys..

BTW I'm amuzed with all the reactions ^^

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k-lai

you do remember that nagato had normal eyes in the flashback where konoha ninjas attacked his parents b4 he awakened his rennigan, right?

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almightywood

Actually, no he didn't.
There are panels where you don't see his rinnegan, but his hair is over his eyes.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v48/c444/12.html

There isn't a single instance anywhere in the manga that shows him with a normal eye (believe me I looked).
I didn't realize this until someone else pointed it out either.

Amuro

Ok im bored so im about to try to make sense of this Tobi guy. I could very well be wrong (most likley) take from it what you want.

Things that have been bothering me about Tobi/Madara:

How the hell did Madara know about Nagato?
Well Im gonna assume that Madara was alive around the time Nagato was born, or around the time he awakened his Rinni. He says he gave Nagato the Rinni. So what happened to the real Madara? Did he die? Was he ill? Why was he hoping for Nagato to bring him back to life with his tech?

My GUESS is that after Madara implanted some of the 1st hokoges DNA into himself he started to experience some problems with his body. Like how Danzo had trouble controling the 1st hokoges powers http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v54/c510/12.html.
I think this because of two panels in particular this panel show Madara looking at his chest. Was he expecting something to be there? Or To be gone? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/10.html This is after he used the Rinni and meteor attack. He also says "So thats why.." meaning he didnt understand why something happened but then he found out. This makes me think that Kabuto alterd Madaras body so that he could use these powers. Probably better than Madara could before he died. He did say he died shortly after he awakened his Rinni. The other panel http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/12.html Madara says there is something he wanted to try. Then he uses mokuton. If he was already able to use it before to its full extent why would it be a "jutsu I want to try"

Ok so what? Kabuto helped Madara become better than he was before. Already been said. But what about Tobi? Where did he come from? A Zetsu clone? How could that be Madara too? And if Madaras soul is in Tobi, he wouldnt have been able to be revived by ET. Well, the fourth Hokoges soul is sealed within the death god. But he was able to http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/12.html place a seal in naruto that when the 8 tails seal is broken he could appear in Narutos consciousness. This was a portion of Minatos chakra. When it ran out, Minato vanished. But he could talk and converse with Naruto as if he was alive. Not only that but he knew Jiraya died and what was going on. So he was in Naruto (chakra), and with the death god(soul). Madara has told Sasuke that his is alive because of his strong chakra it wont let him die (if u want a link ill find it).

Could Madara have done this to a Zetsu clone? Realizing that his body wasnt going to hold up? Is this why tobi wants to become "complete"? Because at the state that Madara died in his body wasnt equipt to handle the 1sts dna and power? My question is how the hell did he give Nagato the Rinni? Him being a uzamaki was the Rinni really just a rare occurance? Or did Madara alter Nagatos body, implant memories in his head of his parents being killed so he could awaken it. He could be trying to find the best combination of shit to create a ultimate body and be the true sage...idk now im b.s-ing

Now im going to the deep end. Imma just leave it here. Hope you liked my KYF style theory. Feel free to rip apart as needed.

hmm something that kinda fcks this up tho is if Madara was inside of Tobi like the 4th was in Naruto then he would have known that Nagato was dead...gimme some time to work that in...

Vishnu

You have a flaw in that little theory. How can Future Sasuke and present Sasuke exists at the same moment in the same time? It's a paradox dude. Also if he is indeed from the future, then i don't see the point of traveling back in time. If he got in the future to a state where he would traveled back in time, it means that none of his actions in the present time will lead to a different future. Because if that would happen it would change the course of the future and thus he won't be able/ he won't need to travel back in time. Thus if he doesn't goes back in time he cannot affect the time flow. It would be just a circle of the same actions. I don't see the logic. It would be possible if you look at it from a multiverse perspective. Something like: everytime he does something in the present that changes the way it was, he is actually transported without knowing in a paralel universe where the scenery would converge to the change. Another paradox, i know. It's like the one about killing your grandfather.

But I would like to see how Kishi pulls out of his ass something like this.

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ninjalostboy95

Kabuto had a lot of info on Madara as well.

Transplanted sharingan(so far.) Ao can activate/deactivate his Byakugan.

legend has it that Rinnegan comes in great despair. Nagato lived in a war torn country. Put 1 and 1 together.

The rest of your post is just organizing the false to uncertain information above. Tobi had no rinnegan before hence why he went after Nagato when he died and didn't dare to fight him for it. It is not my job to find out if Madara made a clone since there is no evidence for it. Burden of proof is on you. Tobi is no one until further notice.

ninjalostboy95

@Vishnu: The guy you quoted was just messing around.

almightywood

Yeah but Tobi spoke as one who knew as opposed to someone who supposed.



Either way.



This is possible too, but I don't believe it is so, there's just too many statements from Tobi that lead me to disbelieve it.

There's no way to prove something that is unknown.
No one knows for sure who Tobi is, to say my theory is bs because I can't prove who he is, is unreasonable. To say I don't know it for sure would be right, but that doesn't make me wrong.
I merely stated my beliefs and the deductions I used to arrive at them.
This is a well thought out and reasoned theory, to ask for more than this from a theory is illogical.
After all if everything stated was provable it wouldn't be a theory, it would be a fact.

Amuro

I just dont get why. Like lets say Tobi finally took his mask off and he was some guy we never seen or heard of -_-.. Im sorry but that would be...idk. I personally would be like "wtf whats was the point" To me he has to be either someone we've seen, heard of, or when he explains his origins it would make sense. I cant see him really being nobody like random ninja #5, from random village, born "x" number of years ago. To me noone sounds like someone who was made, or forgotten about.

ninjalostboy95

Elaborate. Currently, that doesn't refute my statement.

I was just correcting your false claim of "Transplanted eyes are always active." You hastily generalized.

Why would he give a random child the rinnegan when he wanted one himself? Not adding up.

The deductive reasoning had fallacies i.e not correctly done. Look, Tobi= Madara clone is theory and I'm asking for evidence and its not concrete. I believe Tobi= No one and you did not persuade me otherwise <My point.

almightywood

And why should I have to refute anything, isn't that what you were attempting to do?
I'm saying that he said it happened for sure, where Kabuto simply theorized that it happened.



It still doesn't change the pertinence of the point. I didn't bother to elaborate on the byakugan since it always requires a handseal to be active. I think the rinnegan is, so that's why I said dojutsu instead of sharingan. "tend to remain active" is a much less certain statement than "always remain active" as well, hence why I used the former.



He didn't want it himself, he took it himself because he had to have it to accomplish his plan once the person chosen to resurrect Madara died (Nagato).



I am as concrete as I can be with my evidence since it is all speculation no matter who says what. My purpose wasn't to dissuade anyone from their own beliefs, just to make mine known. Please, continue to believe what you wish.