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Old 01-27-2012, 10:14 AM   #346
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I see, one legitimate post and it's straight back to trolling for you, eh?
I don't troll...ever. Not unless you consider people that present contradictory opinions as 'trolls'. In which case, yeah I guess I am, and so are you.

Oh, and good job at completely missing the point of that post.

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You seem to be under some belief, that you actually have some say over who can or can't respond. LOL, hows that working out for you.
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

Wait, wait, wait i swear AW said he wouldn't post on here again now if im not mistaken one of the 10 Commandments is not to lie so realy AW doesn't belive in christanity at all he proberbly broke a couple of the other commandments aswell now i cant say for sure becuase im not a internet stalker (or am I ) but when some one breaks one rule he tends to break others.
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Someone needs to read more books about WWII. Not that the Jews were killing people or stuff like that, but they weren't slaughtered just because they were Jews without any warning.
Someone don't need to read shit. Warning or no, the attack was unprovoked.



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Ever heard of proportionate response? It's kind of rude to threat people with death and calling them pedophiles just because they called you stupid.
I said that I going to treat anyone who acted the way he did to the post he did in the absolute worst fashion I could. I let him know how serious I was about not fucking with me in that regard and he persisted anyway. I could give a shit less about how proportionate the response was, he was warned, he was the aggressor, he deserved it.



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Yes, as the definition of mammal is applicable to pigs, but keeping talking about pigs using the word mammal is stupid, like I said before. It's the same deal here.
It's more like I said whenever I use the word mammal I am referring to a 4 legged purple animal with a curly tail, so keep that in mind. Why not use the word pig? Pigs are pink, this is purple, it's not a pig. Since I described what I meant by mammal, it is perfectly fine.



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Yes, it supersedes if the word you're using isn't as specific to your definition as the word I'm presenting to you. You're talking about faith, use goddamn faith, don't use belief.
I will continue to use belief, as it is the ONLY appropriate word for reasons already mentioned.



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Gee, I dunno, why don't you grab a book/site about logic and use it? It's not that hard.
I have already told you what I think of logic in the academic sense. I refuse to study a failed system of reasoning.



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Are you sure? Because if I did that, it was either satire or I saw your BS and you're backpedaling just to prove me wrong.
Fine I will prove you wrong, when I stated my carefully worded neutral post, I was entirely neutral and made sure to take no sides on what it was I posting about. Nothing you say will ever convince me of your objectivity until you admit that saying "you can't say that for sure" isn't a positive claim in the opposite direction. You put words in my mouth there, period.



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You lack the sapience to apply Bizarro World on me. Please say where my logic is flawed.
The whole system of logic you are following (or the way you are applying it) is flawed. If it can be used to make something neutral positive, it is flawed, end of discussion.



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Except the definition of belief does NOT have that connotation directly, therefore you're adding a connotation. Now faith has that connotation, you just have to say you're not talking about the theological kind. See, not that hard, it's just subtracting a connotation, adding connotations to terms and refusing to use terms that already have that connotation is just moronic.
True, it may not USUALLY have that connotation for SOME PEOPLE, but it does indeed have it for many people. It ABSOLUTELY has that definition, the 2nd one I listed, therefore I am not simply pulling shit out of the air and giving it to a word that never posessed it, I am just not using the main stream format of the word, making your argument against my terminology completely baseless.



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Wow, you're stupid. The objectivity of proof has nothing to do with its acceptance/understanding, because some people are willing to ignore proof just to maintain wrong beliefs (like the Flat Earth Society) or just aren't educated enough to understand them. If the evidence can be tested by anyone and it's unbiased, then it's proof and it's objective.
Objectivity has everything to with understanding. In order for something to be objective, it must be accessible by everyone. If you don't understand something it isn't accessible to you. Bottom line, is if it isn't proof to everyone, it isn't objective proof, it is subjective proof. Now I'm done explaining the concept of subjective proof to you, don't bother arguing with me about this thing that exists whether you like it or not.




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You do realize that Axiom just called you the most stupid and irrational person he ever met, just in other words? Jesus, you suck at English.
You do realize I just stated that I think HR is smarter than all of you trolls? Why should I care what someone who's opinion I don't value thinks? I've made it more than clear, more than once that the people I have referred to as the troll patrol are : sub-human, uncomprehending. I have even pointed out more than once that I didn't ever want to discuss any of this with any of you based on your mindsets because I don't get along well with people that think like you do. Yet you somehow think your opinions in general have any sort of impact on me?


You, personally, seem to have actually at least begun to respect that I am actually saying what I am saying. If I am mistaken about this, then I really have no reason to be addressing you either. Either way, the only reason I bothered to respond to any of you to begin with was because of a sense of responsibility. Otherwise, I wouldn't have. Now I'm not trying to be mean, I knew before I ever got into it with you that you wouldn't ever be able to get half of what I was saying. If you are trying to get me to understand your point of view, I already do, I used to hold it, but have found this one to be far superior. If you seriously want to understand what I am trying to say to you, never insult me again. I will do the same, and we can continue this civilly. Otherwise I am done responding to you civilly too.


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Wait, wait, wait i swear AW said he wouldn't post on here again now if im not mistaken one of the 10 Commandments is not to lie so realy AW doesn't belive in christanity at all he proberbly broke a couple of the other commandments aswell now i cant say for sure becuase im not a internet stalker (or am I ) but when some one breaks one rule he tends to break others.
You obviously missed quite a bit of this thread. I never once claimed to be christian, as a matter of fact I am currently arguing with numinous about a proper term because I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.

A lie is purposeful misinformation, things that you are mistaken about are not lies, These things can only occur intentionally. Since I didn't intend to post here anymore when I made the post, it wasn't intentional, and is therefore a mistake instead of a lie.

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Old 01-27-2012, 08:18 PM   #349
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

Ignoring the rest of your circular reasoning (logical fallacy, btw) and blatant stupidity, I'm focusing on this one part:

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I will continue to use belief, as it is the ONLY appropriate word for reasons already mentioned.
"Delusion" would be a more appropriate word in your case. What you constantly keep claiming is a "belief" is "faith", as Num has pointed out numerous times.
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Ignoring the rest of your circular reasoning (logical fallacy, btw) and blatant stupidity, I'm focusing on this one part:



"Delusion" would be a more appropriate word in your case. What you constantly keep claiming is a "belief" is "faith", as Num has pointed out numerous times.
You are the dullest, most moronic person I have ever met in my life. Do you ever have a thought that even begins to approach outside of the box?

Because intelligence to me has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with how much you can recite someone else's interpretation (that may in fact be wrong), but since you lack the desire to even question it, I could care less about "your opinion" on anything ever.

Faith, while being completely inapplicable due to definition (whether you see it or not), doesn't even fit grammatically.


I faith that intentions are more important than results.

My faiths prohibit me from doing what it is you request.

Please quit telling me the majority opinion, I know it just as well as you do, and completely disagree.

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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

You really can't admit that you're completely and utterly wrong, can you?

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I faith that intentions are more important than results.
For starters, "faith" is never used as a verb, ever. If you're going to try pulling the "definition differences" approach, at least use the language correctly.

"Believe" is appropriate in this sense, even if the statement is flat out wrong. For example, intending to cure cancer is far, far, far, far less important than the result of actually curing cancer.

Second, what you wrote here is NOT the same as what you've been spouting most of this thread. What you've been spouting is believing in something without proof of the legitimacy of that thing, which is faith.

"Believe" is appropriate in this sense, even if the statement is flat out wrong. For example, intending to cure cancer is far, far, far, far less important than the result of actually curing cancer.

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My faiths prohibit me from doing what it is you request.
Again, if you're going to try to prove me wrong, then at least use an example that works. This is, again, NOT the definition you've been trying to shove down our throats.

Your definition of "belief" has been something along the lines of "something that one follows, without empirical evidence of said thing's existence/legitimacy"...that is FAITH, not BELIEF. Belief is something like "I believe in freedom from oppression".
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A lie is purposeful misinformation, things that you are mistaken about are not lies, These things can only occur intentionally. Since I didn't intend to post here anymore when I made the post, it wasn't intentional, and is therefore a mistake instead of a lie.
Uh, what? That's a pretty bullshit justification for you being a complete bitch. You rage quit the forum like a crybaby little girl, intending to never post here again. Then you stated it, like anybody really gives a shit.

But oh no.. here you are again, you came back, even knowing that you boasted about how you weren't going to. So yes, you knew good and well what you said, and what you intended by saying it. So you make the choice to break those words, your words and come back, like a bitch.

That makes you a dishonest man.What you said can be considered a lie, along with what I'm willing to bet is half the shit you've been spouting in this thread.
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You really can't admit that you're completely and utterly wrong, can you?
Why the hell would I admit something that didn't happen and was never in question to begin with?



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For starters, "faith" is never used as a verb, ever. If you're going to try pulling the "definition differences" approach, at least use the language correctly.
Are you retarded? That was my point exactly. Practically every time I used the word belief it was in that fashion while intending it in the sense that I explained it was to be used.

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"Believe" is appropriate in this sense, even if the statement is flat out wrong. For example, intending to cure cancer is far, far, far, far less important than the result of actually curing cancer.
Exactly my point, faith wouldn't work, though I was still using the word belief in the same way I have been every other time so, like I said, even if you can't grasp the definition grammatically it still doesn't fit.

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Second, what you wrote here is NOT the same as what you've been spouting most of this thread. What you've been spouting is believing in something without proof of the legitimacy of that thing, which is faith.
While using it in EXACTLY this way grammatically.



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Again, if you're going to try to prove me wrong, then at least use an example that works. This is, again, NOT the definition you've been trying to shove down our throats.
Why don't you go look back at the way I did use belief before you try and tell me that bullshit.

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Your definition of "belief" has been something along the lines of "something that one follows, without empirical evidence of said thing's existence/legitimacy"...that is FAITH, not BELIEF. Belief is something like "I believe in freedom from oppression".
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I have explained why it isn't a fitting word, your understanding changes that not one whit.
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Someone don't need to read shit. Warning or no, the attack was unprovoked.
After WWI, Germany suffered one of the most ridiculous inflations of history, to the point of 1 dollar being equal to 4 TRILLION marks. Before introducing the Rentenmark (which was 1 trillion marks), people had to literally pay with haystacks of money to buy simple things as bread or a cup of coffee. As you can imagine, the once prosperous Germans were severely impoverished and barely making a living.

But this crisis wasn't as pronounced to a select few (like owners of lucrative businesses and companies), most of them being Jews. Soon enough, they perceived the Jews' welfare as an offense and mockery of the Germans and there was a guy that wasn't that bright but had lots of charisma that convinced people that the only way to restore Germany's glory was to get rid of the moochers and promote the "true" Germans. I guess you can figure out who he was.

As you can see, it's not like the Nazi Party went crazy for the lulz. They had a reason (although fickle), just like you.

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I could give a shit less about how proportionate the response was, he was warned, he was the aggressor, he deserved it.
How about no? For someone who is so worried about rules, ethics and whatnot, you seem to be adept to disregard basic civil rules. What, are we back to the days of knights and damsels in distress where the king chopped off heads just because? And no one warned me?

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It's more like I said whenever I use the word mammal I am referring to a 4 legged purple animal with a curly tail, so keep that in mind. Why not use the word pig? Pigs are pink, this is purple, it's not a pig. Since I described what I meant by mammal, it is perfectly fine.
Except that analogy fails because it isn't analogous to what's happening. Switch "purple" with "black" and there you have a proper analogy. Pigs can be pink and black, you just have to say you're talking about black pigs and the word pigs is perfectly fine.

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I have already told you what I think of logic in the academic sense. I refuse to study a failed system of reasoning.
It has failed so much that it survived for thousands of years, stronger than ever. Or maybe you're the one that fails at it. I'd evoke Occam's Razor but I know you don't like it.

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Nothing you say will ever convince me of your objectivity until you admit that saying "you can't say that for sure" isn't a positive claim in the opposite direction. You put words in my mouth there, period.
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The whole system of logic you are following (or the way you are applying it) is flawed. If it can be used to make something neutral positive, it is flawed, end of discussion.
If it was neutral to begin with. It was not. You negated a negative claim while supporting a positive claim you made earlier. Only people who indeed fail at logic would deem that neutral, otherwise is a flagrant positive claim, even if not that strong.

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Objectivity has everything to with understanding. In order for something to be objective, it must be accessible by everyone. If you don't understand something it isn't accessible to you. Bottom line, is if it isn't proof to everyone, it isn't objective proof, it is subjective proof. Now I'm done explaining the concept of subjective proof to you, don't bother arguing with me about this thing that exists whether you like it or not.
Sorry, but something proof IS accessible to everyone, people just have to acknowledge and study them, they won't fall on your lap. Just because people refuse/don't know how to acknowledge it, it doesn't make it subjective. It'd only be subjective if all people who acknowledge the proof without any bias towards/against it couldn't come to a consensus on whether it proves something or not. But if that was so, it wouldn't be proof in the first place, because it wouldn't prove anything for some of those who are acknowledging it.

As you can see, proof is necessarily objective to be proof, otherwise is only a suggestion. The concept of subjective proof is nothing but a farce to keep the gullible in false hope.

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You do realize I just stated that I think HR is smarter than all of you trolls?
That's why you quoted the whole post by Axiom where he downgrades you intelligence instead of just referring to HR... right.

Also, HR smarter than all of us? You really don't know what you're talking about.

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Why should I care what someone who's opinion I don't value thinks? I've made it more than clear, more than once that the people I have referred to as the troll patrol are : sub-human, uncomprehending. I have even pointed out more than once that I didn't ever want to discuss any of this with any of you based on your mindsets because I don't get along well with people that think like you do. Yet you somehow think your opinions in general have any sort of impact on me?
Yes, they should have some impact on you, because we're just disagreeing. You go straight to libel, murder threats and arrogant airs of superiority (really, sub-humans? And you don't want to be compared to Nazi Germany who used the same expression?) because we don't find your line of thought that coherent. If anything, we should be the ones not giving a shit about you, because you're clearly out of your fucking mind.

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If you are trying to get me to understand your point of view, I already do, I used to hold it, but have found this one to be far superior. If you seriously want to understand what I am trying to say to you, never insult me again.
At the risk of sounding immature, to hold a point of view based on closed-mindedness that doesn't filter wrong possibilities and twists the meaning of words above a point of view based on skeptical open-mindedness that bothers to check the correct meaning of words... is plain idiotic. I don't mind looking childish to you when I say that I see no benefits to the mind in your point of view, just shields to the ego.

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You obviously missed quite a bit of this thread. I never once claimed to be christian, as a matter of fact I am currently arguing with numinous about a proper term because I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
Hello, Mr "I consider all possibilities as equally valid because they might hold the truth", how come you're an atheist too? Isn't that against your philosophy or did I miss something?
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After WWI, Germany suffered one of the most ridiculous inflations of history, to the point of 1 dollar being equal to 4 TRILLION marks. Before introducing the Rentenmark (which was 1 trillion marks), people had to literally pay with haystacks of money to buy simple things as bread or a cup of coffee. As you can imagine, the once prosperous Germans were severely impoverished and barely making a living.

But this crisis wasn't as pronounced to a select few (like owners of lucrative businesses and companies), most of them being Jews. Soon enough, they perceived the Jews' welfare as an offense and mockery of the Germans and there was a guy that wasn't that bright but had lots of charisma that convinced people that the only way to restore Germany's glory was to get rid of the moochers and promote the "true" Germans. I guess you can figure out who he was.

As you can see, it's not like the Nazi Party went crazy for the lulz. They had a reason (although fickle), just like you.
Not really that similar. What you are describing is basically this person is over here doing their own thing, and this group is over here doing their own thing. The one person's thing didn't work out so they went and blamed the other person for it, then told them to get out, then killed them for it.
The scenario with me and uberjackass was that I basically introduced him to a place and told him that it meant a lot to me, he proceeded to fuck it all up, so I kicked the everliving shit out of him <-- this would be a good analogy, tell me how that resembles the nazis?

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It has failed so much that it survived for thousands of years, stronger than ever. Or maybe you're the one that fails at it. I'd evoke Occam's Razor but I know you don't like it.
Again as soon as it starts putting words in people's mouths, it is failed. Hence why I prefer layman's logic. If it pulls something straight out of it's ass, it ain't logical, regardless of whatever your understanding of someone else's rules is.

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If it was neutral to begin with. It was not. You negated a negative claim while supporting a positive claim you made earlier. Only people who indeed fail at logic would deem that neutral, otherwise is a flagrant positive claim, even if not that strong.
It was carefully worded to be exactly neutral, so fuck your logic.


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That's why you quoted the whole post by Axiom where he downgrades you intelligence instead of just referring to HR... right.
Pretty much, I still have some respect for the guy, he's only really insulted me once, and that was after he had thought me gone. Is it insulting that he didn't think there could be someone as adamant about their beliefs as I am? No. I find it disrespecful to chop off parts of people's posts, and only address bits and pieces of what they say.

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Also, HR smarter than all of us? You really don't know what you're talking about.
Whatever, I have yet to see more than an ounce of comprehension from the majority of you fuckers. My definition of intelligence doesn't synch with yours at all, Everything I've seen from you all has just pointed you out to be sub-human.

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Yes, they should have some impact on you, because we're just disagreeing. You go straight to libel, murder threats and arrogant airs of superiority (really, sub-humans? And you don't want to be compared to Nazi Germany who used the same expression?) because we don't find your line of thought that coherent. If anything, we should be the ones not giving a shit about you, because you're clearly out of your fucking mind.
They absolutely shouldn't, I told you more than once, I didn't want to hear what you had to say. i told you more than once you were full of shit. I told you more than once I wasn't going to elaborate shit to you, and yet you still persist like what you say should matter. If you run up to a chick on her way into an abortion clinic and start telling her that it's wrong to do this all the way in, you'd go to fucking jail. I told you the basics of my stance, I never discussed the specifics with you. You can call me crazy, or moronic, but it doesn't really change the fact that all I really am is undisclosing and it's driving you fucking nuts. Let's see, I've managed to go more than 300 posts without elaborating on anything to you motherfuckers, all I have done is clarify some minor points, do you really think I'm about to change my mind and give you the answers now?

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At the risk of sounding immature, to hold a point of view based on closed-mindedness that doesn't filter wrong possibilities and twists the meaning of words above a point of view based on skeptical open-mindedness that bothers to check the correct meaning of words... is plain idiotic. I don't mind looking childish to you when I say that I see no benefits to the mind in your point of view, just shields to the ego.
Well good then, we can stop talking about this.

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Hello, Mr "I consider all possibilities as equally valid because they might hold the truth", how come you're an atheist too? Isn't that against your philosophy or did I miss something?
I could explain this to you, but I decline.

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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

Wow, you're stupid.


Seriously, though, the random babbling noises the 2 autistic kids I work with makes more sense than you. These toddlers suffer from a developmental delay and they are already more intelligent than you.

Edit: inb4 inevitable insult about people trusting me with their autistic children, which breaks the belief of not insulting people.

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Wow, you're stupid.


Seriously, though, the random babbling noises the 2 autistic kids I work with makes more sense than you. These toddlers suffer from a developmental delay and they are already more intelligent than you.

Edit: inb4 inevitable insult about people trusting me with their autistic children, which breaks the belief of not insulting people.

You know, I just gained a lot of respect for you, glad you take care of your parents like that. (really explains a lot about your conversation style too)

I think it is horrible to insult people as a matter of course.
To insult someone back is ok, and you aren't even human anyway so what's the problem here?
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

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You know, I just gained a lot of respect for you, glad you take care of your parents like that. (really explains a lot about your conversation style too)

I think it is horrible to insult people as a matter of course.
Really? A "your parents" insult? Are we back in elementary school or something?

No wonder you seem so stupid, you have the mentality of a child.

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To insult someone back is ok, and you aren't even human anyway so what's the problem here?
You're right, I'm not human. What do you call someone that survives where 3 people have died, with no internal injuries, and was only in the hospital, to recover from being burned on over 30% of their body, for less than 3 week? I'm damn near immortal based on some of the shit I've been through.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:11 PM   #359
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

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Really? A "your parents" insult? Are we back in elementary school or something?

No wonder you seem so stupid, you have the mentality of a child.
To be honest for a while, I've been trying to figure out that exact same thing about you: how could you be so fucking stupid. Your last post just happened to answer it for me, that's all it was.



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You're right, I'm not human. What do you call someone that survives where 3 people have died, with no internal injuries, and was only in the hospital, to recover from being burned on over 30% of their body, for less than 3 week? I'm damn near immortal based on some of the shit I've been through.
Well, I have never seen a single human quality from you. That insult about the autistic kids is the first thing I have ever seen from you that even let me knew you actually had a brain inside your skull. Don't want you to strain it too much though. I can't believe you work in health care, with your complete lack of self control, I'd have thought you'd be in prison by now working a job like that.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:16 PM   #360
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

Actually, I work in retail. Working with autistic children is something I'm doing for school. You know, that place with all of the buildings where people go to learn? I'm sure you've walked by one at some point, even if you hadn't ever been in one.
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