Gay and Lesbian should this environment event exist in the community? - Page 37

DarkAztek · 10-08-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GYX

omg....

Indeed. Learn to use the quote tags.

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1. Christian point of view was just an example. Other religions aply u just have to fill the blank. People are driven by believes, "stopped" by the law. U don't go get married and say, "hey, i'm going to do this because is legal" U do it because u believe in marriage or u believe it would be beneficial for u. Is the law that makes u an US resident.... Not ur believes... if u don't agree with that then try to convince all those inmigrants trying to get their green cards or the burocrats who came up with all the processes and forms to become an US resident. Is just naive to think that the law have all the answers... is just like saying that is god who has all the answers... religion = believes (well, not exactly, but is a big influence in most people...add "X factors not to be disccused here" to the equation)... u can't take that away from people, even when talking about US residents.

The fact of the matter is that many sects of religion are perfectly okay with gay marriage. And what about people who DON'T have religion? I guess they shouldn't be able to get married then by your logic. The plant of ethics does not come strictly from the seeds of religion. Morality is subjective and because of the Separation between Church and State as well as the Treaty of Tripoli that declares the US a secular country, you cannot just say that because religion is against something therefore it should be illegal.

Believe in marriage? You mean wanting to spend the rest of your life with someone in a romantic relationship? ...Why can't gay people do that again? My point is that marriage is no longer just a religious institution. It also gives people LEGAL RIGHTS on the Federal and State level. Tax breaks, US citizenship, visitation rights, etc. Gay people deserve the same rights.

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2. Any sociologist, psychologist, biologist, or chemist will tell you that there is no proof as to where homosexuality comes from. A wise scientst, be social or natural, will tell you that homosexuality is a product of both biological and social factors, involving socialisation proceses, relationships and such. I can argue about Wnt-4 mutations, or smaller encefalus in homosexual subjects, like some studies sujest, But I'm more on the line of what SP Daryl Bem has to say about the subject. He states, in summary, that byology affects sexual orientation as to determine the temperament of the individual, and that experiences from the moment u r born up to the time the person recognices his/ her sexuality is what determines their sexual orientation.
BTW, theorically, monozygotic twins have a 50% chance to end up with same sexual orientation, but according to surveys in the US, that chance came down to 31.6 %,(by Kenneth Kendler 2000), not even close to 75%....

No proof as to where homosexuality comes from? I'm calling shenanigans. I've posted many links that state otherwise... Go back in this thread and find my posts in it. I have provided plenty of evidence that homosexuality appears in about 10% of a population everywhere on Earth.

I've also linked to a study that shows how gay people respond to the same sex's pheromones. That alone proves that being gay isn't a choice, it's their body's physical and chemical response to stimuli.

By the way, why does it even matter where it comes from? Gay people don't hurt anyone and they certainly don't make your relationships mean any less. They are not mentally ill not physically ill. Why does where their sexuality stems from matter on whether or not they should be able to get married?

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3. Being a man according to gender roles in society. And yes, society still "instruct" Parents,as well as all the othe components, to teach their kids that heterosexuality is the way to go... Even when is tabu to say something like this in today's academic circles, for people in society, if u r a man u should be able to make money and kids... and if u do as they tell u to u should have them. that's just the way it is... So that, in a purelly social point of view, make parents responsable for their kinds behavior. And that's doesn't make it right or wrong, is TODAY'S society...

What constitutes as "manly" in one society differs greatly from many others. If you really need me to cite examples then I'll show you but I'd rather not have to waste my time.

My point here was originally that you are confusing gender, sex, sexuality, and gender roles... But you just opened a new can of worms. What parent INSTRUCTS their children to be something that they have no control over? There's a difference between teaching manners or morals and sexuality. You might as well yell at kid for having freckles or being black. Shouldn't parents love their children for who they are? That type of authoritarian parenting is extremely dangerous to a child. By all means, use Google and check out the APA website. Please.

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You didn't prove anything. You just rambled without citing any sources. I am asking you for a link to a credible source that shows that if a child turns out gay it is the result of bad parenting. (You're flip-flopping by the way. Before you said scientists don't know where it comes from and now you're claiming it is parents raising their kids a certain way.)

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5. Sorry for just confining my my post to just civil rights; what I really meant was rights in all stands, being social or by law... I apologize.

So are you saying gay people should have no rights or have all rights that straight people do? Clarify.

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6. Is not the union. By law, marriage is an union of two ppl, now male and female, that ensure their marital states; that's not exactly what it means on the social or religious lvl.
What i said is just that for federal-state bussines the name marriage get changed to a more broad, newer concept, and leave the term marriage as a social-religious concept. And as I said earlier, if for u marriage has a meaning that go beyond of that of the law, u will understand; if u don't it will be just a waste of time explaining.

The only fact in this world is that one day we will die.... everything else are just opinions, some more documented than others, but still opinions at the end

Your grammer is atrocious and I am having a very hard time understanding you. If we make it so that gay people can get married, it will change nothing other than allowing gay people the same rights that they are denied. You can still get the deeply religious or blah, blah, blah marriage that you want and it will still mean the same thing... But so can Steve and Perry. What's the problem here?

Mortality is not the "only fact in the world." You sound melodramatic and foolish just for saying so. Sorry for the ad-hom but it's true.

10-08-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OniKage

And lastly, Homosexuality: Well, you are more comfortable in hanging out with the opposite sex. And you neither have you mom or dad at home, so who should you follow. Get influenced by the opposite sex and act like them!

Yeah, no. That's completely disregarding the fact that there is substantial evidence that supports homosexuality as something you are born with. Nurturing only goes so far in determining a kid's sexuality. Also, it's just as likely that you'll be influenced by the same sex and follow their habits, too.

jonsanlc · 10-09-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LonelyNinja

Yeah, no. That's completely disregarding the fact that there is substantial evidence that supports homosexuality as something you are born with. Nurturing only goes so far in determining a kid's sexuality. Also, it's just as likely that you'll be influenced by the same sex and follow their habits, too.

I completely agree. It is ENTIRELY possible for you to be born with a mutation of your DNA to be more prone to mate with the same sex. HOWEVER, the VAST portion of the Gay/Lesbian community was created through abusive childhood, social encouragement, fad, among a few other things, I'm sure.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I have a few gay/lesbian friends from my physiology classes who are very good friends of mine. They agree with me on the subject, as well.

DarkAztek · 10-09-2008, 03:29 PM

jonsanic: Really? You have proof that homosexuality stems from an abusive childhood? You really think that people can CHOOSE to be gay too? Fantastic! I can't wait for you to send some links my way from credible sources that prove that theory! I've been waiting for about 25 years for someone to prove such nonsense... In fact, the opposite has been proven. Please go back in this thread and look at my previous links. Get enlightened.

-SassyLady- · 10-10-2008, 05:07 PM

like i said before anyone-anybody can fucking love who they want to love it is their life not yours-if they want to attract the same sex so what who are you to judge on that?
>.<T.T

Avian · 10-12-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jonsanlc

I completely agree. It is ENTIRELY possible for you to be born with a mutation of your DNA to be more prone to mate with the same sex. HOWEVER, the VAST portion of the Gay/Lesbian community was created through abusive childhood, social encouragement, fad, among a few other things, I'm sure.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I have a few gay/lesbian friends from my physiology classes who are very good friends of mine. They agree with me on the subject, as well.

This i find hard to believe

A child being abuse does not result to homosexuality. Though being a homosexual does make you prone to abusive beating

Social encouragement? Well some girls sometimes finds comfort from the same sex and even engage sexual relationships with them this means lesbians ofcors, but thats probably cause by trauma of being dump by a male or some psychological event. I think what jonsanlc meant was "girls kissing girls" but that doesnt make you a lesbian they just want to explore as they say.

Fad?????? This one takes the cakes.

10-25-2008, 12:46 PM

Beating a dead horse, go!

So, Prop. 8 in California is banning gay marriage. Is this right? Why or why not?

Matthekage · 10-25-2008, 06:23 PM

If people believe that they live in a free country, one that separates church and state, I can't see that they have any justification for denying same sex unions.

Kilik 64 · 10-26-2008, 01:45 PM

Of couse not. There is no basis for seperating same-sex couples.

10-09-2008, 03:29 PM	#544
DarkAztek Sand Man Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 3,324 Thanks: 64 Thanked 583 Times in 190 Posts	Re: Gay and Lesbian should this environment event exist in the community? jonsanic: Really? You have proof that homosexuality stems from an abusive childhood? You really think that people can CHOOSE to be gay too? Fantastic! I can't wait for you to send some links my way from credible sources that prove that theory! I've been waiting for about 25 years for someone to prove such nonsense... In fact, the opposite has been proven. Please go back in this thread and look at my previous links. Get enlightened. __________________ [CENTER] Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō[/CENTER] [CENTER] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/HookerBodyShots/shark.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [center][b]Filler content[/b][/center]

10-10-2008, 05:07 PM	#545
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10-25-2008, 12:46 PM	#547
LonelyNinja Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Gay and Lesbian should this environment event exist in the community? Beating a dead horse, go! So, Prop. 8 in California is banning gay marriage. Is this right? Why or why not?

10-25-2008, 06:23 PM	#548
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10-26-2008, 01:45 PM	#549
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