AOTKorby

The convictions are strong with this one...

Calling someone "neckbeard" usually has a connotation that you're saying that they have no life. Insulting someone in that manner when you're sorta doing the same thing is not terribly sensical.

I was referring more to the "I'M RIGHT HE'S WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO" and the references to fictional characters fucking his woman.

here's one of your claims:

The problem with said claim is that you're automatically assuming that you don't have a burden of proof. You do. Claiming that he always had his godly powers is not inherently more reasonable, and no one in this debate has an argument which is the logical answer vs. the outrageous claim. Veng has pointed out that, even before being sealed by the Sage, the Juubi had the Sharingan/Rinnegan fusion eye. Of the possibilities suggested that I've seen, Veng's makes the most sense, and it would make sense given the repeated references to the connection between the Dojutsu and the Bijuu.

Saying he introduced the world to chakra has no real meaning, so either you're wasting your breath or making a stupid claim. Based on this, you've been wasting your breath.

Hey, when you try to pull a real-life example, make sure you do it right.

As with above, this claim has no actual meaning to it, as he could have done so just as well having gained enlightenment through acquiring the Rinnegan from the 10 tails as from having "natural awesomeness".

Nothing says this, but there's also nothing which says he was screwing around knowing exactly what he was doing with it his whole life either. You seem to proclaim the latter without proof while trying to condemn Veng for similar argumentation.

Why would it have been stated, seeing as we know virtually nothing about the RS at all? Why would Kishimoto tell us how the RS defeated the Juubi long before it's remotely relevant? And saying that "it hasn't been stated yet, so it must be false" is not valid logic at all. There is information that supports Veng's theory, so even without "concrete proof," a logical chain of premises can lead to his conclusions.

And what makes your claim more valid? The fact that you said it?

Notice how the 5 Kage, the people most likely to know all the secrets out there, didn't know about the Juubi. Notice how Nagato, the figurehead leader of Akatsuki, didn't know about the Juubi. Notice how no one has even referenced the 10 tails other than Tobi and people talking about what Tobi has said. This is because the 10 Tails' existence was a carefully guarded secret, known only to those who had read the tablet. The Sage was fabled for his feats following the sealing of the Juubi, you know, teaching Ninjutsu to all the world, rewriting reality at will, that kinda stuff.

Contrary to what you think, this doesn't help your argument. Being capable of using one type of technique under the vague umbrella of Ninjutsu does not enable one to use all techniques classified as ninjutsu. Just because he was able to develop a sealing technique doesn't mean he had mastered the art of creating and wielding chakra for any sort of technique, it just means he could make seals.

And your problem is that you have no more concrete proof than Veng does, and he doesn't have a burden of proof to even legitimize his claims. Neither of you can absolutely prove your points, so you better find something to actually argue with rather than doing exactly what you're accusing him of doing. The points you provide can be and have been rebutted, so you need to both find legitimate evidence to refute his points and find better evidence to support yours.

Lawyers are also definitively not paid to be right. They're supposed to find the interpretation that gets the best result for the client, not the interpretation that is most accurate.

White knighting would be more like "TO THE RESCUE!!!! HOW DARE YOU, YOU HORRIBLE PERSON! WHAT COULD POSSESS YOU TO DISAGREE WITH VENGEANCE AND NOT LET HIM EXPRESS HIS OPINION!? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF, YOU DICK-RIDING PUSSY!!!1!" Believe me, we've dealt with shit like that, (like liondemon, highlight the blank).

Yeah, just don't take this stuff personally honestly. No one should really be pathetic enough to let someone disagreeing with them get to them (unless it's someone so ragingly stupid and delusional that they defy reason who also manages to be a total prick). Besides, "dumbass" is practically how Vengeance says hello.

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Vengeance

Hello dumbass! LMAO

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Sagensyg

Hahaha okay man AOTKorby everything you've said is and will always forever be 100% completely correct. You are Forum God! And I was being a foolish blasphemer!

I'm joking though it's whatever. I'll probably forget this entire thread in about two days until the next chapter comes out.


Admit it you laughed at the impregnating his girl thing though.

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NeoKakarott023

Wow, you have a stalker. Good luck with that.

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Vengeance

Wouldn't be the first time.

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This came to mind. lol

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emachina

Funny. But he's "butt head", Red is dumbass. But still funny. And. Why yes, I did graduate from Killjoke University. How did you know?

Shrike

I just needed to see if people are squirting over Hashirama hype and all that. And lookie here, slaughterhouse!

Btw, I love how you guys are grabbing each others necks and there is no proof for any of the shit you are saying.

Rikudo is not important in any way beside the story aspect. His strength, pre-Juubi or not, doesn't fucking matter. Hashirama may get hype as much as anybody wants, it's just Kishimoto hyping what he feels like in a moment. In one moment, First is the strongest, then in the other, Third, then Minato, etc etc. It's fucking dumb as fuck to even argue about it.

Plus, Minato is Kishi's golden boy. I am sure he is, skill wise, the best.

Law&Order

Kishi is using Hashirama to show how pathetic the once hyped Uchiha are. Breath a little fire, block attacks with my bone shield. Try to cast a genjutsu. But the most overwhelming attacks so far have been a Path attack and the multiple tree/flower attacks neither of which are Uchiha traits. Uchiha has become synonymous with fail in this manga.

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Gamabunta

But its the eye that all the bad guys want.

(shisui eye o_O)

Numinous

Well, considering that it was Kluang who casted the bait, Vengeance is just carrying on trolling Minatards.

I sure did when I said Hashirama>Minato, I really don't care for power level comparisons since they're ridiculous, but Minatards seem to think FTG is an IWIN button every time.

Nah, Minato is just a goalpost for Naruto, so any bonus for Minato is really for Naruto's hype. Sasuke still is Kishi's golden boy, to the point of spending pages with his footprints alone.

I think Kishi is balancing the overhype the Uchiha got along Part II by making others look better, but he's still stealthily hyping the Uchiha, by making the transition between EMS and Rinnegan and making Uchiha DNA necessary for the uber techniques (Rinnegan, Izanagi).

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Jiraiya: Those eyes... of the three great eye techniques, they are, without question, the most powerful... The Rinnegan. They were said to be possessed by the Rikudou-Sennin... The Founder of the whole ninja world... whose knowledge and skills gave birth to ninjutsu itself... They were called a tool of heaven... a tool of god that would bring salvation when the world was in chaos or a weapon that would destroy all creation and return everything to dust... I always discounted those stories as myths and folktales... But here I am, Staring directly at the Rinnegan with my own eyes.


Correction he introduced ninjutsu into the world. Chakra was a natural energy existing in all living things.


People were well aware of lightning long before Benjamin Franklin.


veng, your just running bullshit outta your mouth....fingers.
We all know;
-not anyone can be a jinchuriki,e.g kushina and other uzumaki were prefered as jinchuriki because of their special chakra.
-Many who qualified to be used as jinchuriki later died, because they couldnt contain it properly e.g jinks before killer B.
-no bafoon just walks up to a tailed beast because he knows fuijutu and seal it up.
-Sage of six path was said to develope a new jutsu to seal the 10 tailes and save the world(the fact he created a new jutsu means he was capable of jutsu's before he became a jink.)
-you have to be powerful to hold a tailed beast as a jink.(strength is shown to be a factor at the birth of naruto when kushina's chakra was attending to naruto rather than the 9tailes and minato's assistance was needed to keep it sealed, which minato commented on the strength of the fox trying to breakout.)
If i remember correctly, kakashi in part 1 once said the 9tailes is still contained in naruto because he has a huge amount of chakra.
-alxo in the manga.....

You know what this is bloody ridiculouse, how can a human that has read naruto to this point support ina any way someone(vengance) saying a normal human can walk up to the 10 tailes and seal it because he knows fuinjutsu. That is just tooooo retarded, its unthinkable.


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Is that your reply to that? People were well aware of lightning long before Benjamin Franklin. Really? I know he used Benjamin and the kite scenario as an example but talk about cherry picking.But thats really your reply? Is that your final reply?

Bloody ridiculous.

And the sheeps thank him?

Bloody ridiculous.

Please look at my point and others points and don't just eat bullshit from veng.

ACt

I thought he was an Sasuketard... or at the very least, Uchitard.

I will say, I'm still laughing at KYF full serious response to my "Hiruzen is da bestest everz" with the "he can only do things base Naruto could do and so Minato is better". People here don't get it, aside from anyone who knows that Kishi has completely betrayed Part I with Part II and nothing is equatable.

Seriously, if the Thrid Hokage was so low on the poll, he never should have won that fight based on Hashirama's increase in power with the lore of Part II. No contest. If anything, some level of hype for the First does exist because Kishi has increased his powers as the manga has gone on. Just as he's done for the Uchiha, the Jinks and Naruto/Sasuke. It's all leading to one thing:

Explosions. Big ones.

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Vengeance

@ckraizitee Gaara was chosen as a host while having a frail premature body. So really the bullshit about how you need some uber haxed physical body is thrown out the door based on that alone. With controlling a Bijuu it appears to be a mental thing more than anything else. Meaning if you have a weak mind you will be overcome by the beast power. However if you are of strong mind/will/conviction you can potentially tame the beast. Not really a hard concept to understand.

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Duncan33

They thank him because he makes valid arguments based on his opinion and on actual facts from the series. What's so ridiculous about that??

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