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Old 02-29-2012, 11:09 AM   #46
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Re: Naruto 576

nice chapter. I was willing to rage quit this manga when it went back to the kage battle and madara was ripping tsunade a new one. I was reading like "kishi better not give this @$%** a power up". Luckily he didn't this chapter. She rolled up her sleeves like she was going to do something, maybe she attacks some wood next chapter (pun).

OAN: sasuke is following big bro to kabuto. two things can go wrong here. 1. kishi has the two tag team kabuto. 2. kabuto kills itachi and sasuke fights kabuto. imo kishi needs to set it up to where itachi kills/seals himself and then let sasuke handle kabuto.
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Yeah, I said this awhile back myself. Sasuke's rampage is entirely Itachi's fault.

Also, he somewhat explained why the others weren't spared as he wanted them to have revenge. No one outside of Sasuke had a chance in hell and even he wasn't close.
Oh yeah, I say the same thing. Itachi went well out of his way to make Sasuke suffer so that he could manipulate his entire life for some convoluted BS scheme that mostly served Itachi himself. Itachi is one seriously fucked up guy--not even the big reveal of doing it on orders changed that for me.

At first I was like a lot of other people, wondering why Sasuke would go completely against everything Itachi tried to do. And then after I thought about it I realized, why should he bow down to Itachi's wishes after everything he was put through? Not that I agree with Sasuke's plan itself.

Anyway, back to the current chapter. I had a feeling that Itachi wouldn't stop and Sasuke would have to follow him. Frankly I learned nothing new, so I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with their meeting. I had already figured as much, and I always believed that if Sasuke HAD known about the coup, Itachi would have offed him as well. And I thought there was a LOT of selfishness in everything Itachi did, including forcing Sasuke to seek revenge. And the way Itachi was disregarding Sasuke during their meeting was awful.

However, even though I don't like it, I feel it makes perfect sense for how I perceive Itachi's character. I do think he's telling the truth about why he left Sasuke alive. But, I don't think he's telling the whole truth. If you ask me, he's busy keeping his mushy feelings out of it. He's speaking so matter-of-factly with Sasuke that it's as if he has no feelings about what he's done or what's happened at all. He's being so cold. If Sasuke hadn't of followed him, Itachi would had never stopped to even look at Sasuke.

And yet, when Itachi ran into Naruto one of the first things he did was ask about Sasuke. When Itachi spoke with Naruto about Sasuke he was showing much more caring and emotion for his brother than he is now. And when Naruto said that Itachi should see Sasuke, too, he immediately refused. And now when he's confronted with Sasuke, again he refuses to really deal with his brother.

I think he's running away from having to deal with Sasuke emotionally--his own feelings, and everything that he's put Sasuke through. I think the only way Itachi could do what he did was to push aside all emotions and mechanically go about his ends-justifies-the-means philosophy, forcing himself to believe that it would all come out for the best. Now, however, he's being faced with the real consequences of his actions. Forced to see what HE has done to Sasuke. Because I do believe he loves Sasuke and I think he is and has been hurting from what he's done, even if he pushes those feelings away. And now he sees it was all for nothing.

Again, he states these things so calmly and to the point you'd think he was reading a script. He doesn't want to feel those emotions that must be just below the surface. But I believe that must be how he's been living for years now. To sustain the illusion of a criminal without remorse, to follow through with Akatsuki missions, to continue on after murdering his entire family, to torture his brother for some "greater cause." He's probably not allowed himself to feel much of anything for many years. And putting "the job" first is what he's used to. He's relying on his OWN coping techniques right now, at least this his how I interpret the meeting.

Unfortunately, an emotionless, uncaring brother is exactly the opposite of what Sasuke needs right now. After everything Sasuke has been through he needs real affirmation of Itachi's feelings for him and I believe it could go a long way to getting Sasuke to step back from the path he's on. However, Itachi keeps up that cold front and it might make things worse. He's leaving Sasuke to Naruto and doesn't want to have to deal with Sasuke himself.

I think that despite Itachi's emotionless facade, guilt plays a huge part in his avoidance. Man, Itachi is messed up..
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Re: Naruto 576

I felt like this chapter was for the lolz.

Itachi's cold shoulder technique. Maybe if Itachi pays Sasuke no mind, he won't initiate an interaction. Unfortunately, people like Sasuke hate to be ignored, amongst other things they hate equally as much.

This 1st Hokage hype is getting out of control now. I mean, ok, yeah, he's the best since the Six Realms Sage, I don't need to hear every other chapter that he could split the earth in two by sitting his ass on the ground and farting.
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Re: Naruto 576

IMO itachis bein an absolute idiot for the first time in the manga. I unferstand itachis ignoring sasuke because he has left him to naruto to deal with, but itachi right here has a chance to change sasukes mind here and now judging by sasukes questions.

A simple "it was all madara, not konaha so finish him off for good with the true power of the SG". That much could change sasuke right now IMO.

Also, this fight with edo madara and the kages is utter shit at this point! Madara has a RG with the power of EMS as well and yet all hes using is a partial sasanoo, Hungry ghost realms chakra absorbing ability and some hashirama forest summonings. (I don't if the meteor summon was a RG ability or not).
Anyways, why is madara not using any of his RG or EMS abilities? At this rate if madara even used his EMS alone he would've already took out the kages.

I still think madara could've been summoned at half strength due to him being summoned by a half of Muu. Why else is he not using his EMS or RG abilities.
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Madara is toying with them. If he killed them quickly then the fun would end. Goku did that all the time.
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(I don't if the meteor summon was a RG ability or not).
It's a Rinnegan ability. Nagato used it on Naruto when they fought the second time around.

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Anyways, why is madara not using any of his RG or EMS abilities? At this rate if madara even used his EMS alone he would've already took out the kages.
Madara is toying with the Kages, haven't you figured that out yet?

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I still think madara could've been summoned at half strength due to him being summoned by a half of Muu.
You would be wrong. Kabuto's "I need more time" speech was so Muu could regain enough strength to pull off the summon. The summon itself is proportionate to the chakra being used, Madara is clearly very powerful and thus Muu would need to have a lot of chakra to pump into the summon. Plus, even an Edo needs to recover being blasted by Naruto's Planetary Rasengan, on top of using a lot of Dust element techniques.

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See above, he's toying with them while hyping up Hashirama even further.
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I have a question. How many Uchihas were there before the massacre? Is it possible that Sasuke was the youngest member of the clan? He was only 6 or 7 at the time I believe.

It's always something I wondered. Were there 20 or 30 Uchihas or 100+ or something in between?
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He's not hyping up hashirama he's hyping himself up by saying "e was this good and I fought with him to the death"

It's his way of making himself feel better that he was anle to stand toe to toe with a shinobi like hashirama then again we already heard tobi say hashirama was the strogest ninja of his time so its mo surprise.

But yeah madara is tryig to hype himself up.
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No! Thats nagato using Banshou Tenin to pull a rock towards naruto which ins't a summoning like madaras jutsu.

Nagato's BT on a rock...http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/549/9

Devas BT on a rock to KN6...(rock thrown from the ruble)http://www.mangareader.net/93-443-7/...apter-438.html
and seen here too...http://www.mangareader.net/93-443-8/...apter-438.html

See, it wasn't a summoned rock, but just one picked up from around the area by banshou tenin and thrown at the enemy...

Madara used hand signs, gathered allot of chakra to summon the meteors...no banshou tenin...http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/560/15
andhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/560/16

Does it again to confirm its a summoning...http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/561/4

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I know hes toying, but to of used NO EMS jutsu but a partial sasanoo not even complete one. Or to have the RG and used only HG realms chakra sealing ability. Somethings going on and its not just toying around obviously.


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You would be wrong. Kabuto's "I need more time" speech was so Muu could regain enough strength to pull off the summon. The summon itself is proportionate to the chakra being used, Madara is clearly very powerful and thus Muu would need to have a lot of chakra to pump into the summon. Plus, even an Edo needs to recover being blasted by Naruto's Planetary Rasengan, on top of using a lot of Dust element techniques.
Muu split himself in half so the split muu wasn't even hit with that jutsu of narutos. And Muu summoned the 4th Kazekage, 2nd Mizukage and the 3rd raikage who alone has an absolutely huge chakra level. Yet, half of Muu was said to be weak meaning he needed time to recover all his strength otherwise he would summon something weak... then he summoned madara within 10 more pages which isn't much time at all.

Kabuto explains the weakness of the split Muus summoning....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/558/9

And to prove Muus half is still only half strength and weak while madara was summoned, it can't even use dust element which onooki recognizes and this is after madara was summoned meaning it still hasn't been enough time for the Muu half to regain its full power...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/560/10

With the fact madara hasn't used any EMS jutsu but a partial sasanoo and only HG realms ability of his RG plus the fact Muus half summoned madara and kabuto said himself the summon would be weak.
Edo Madara is weak and thus likely can't use any other RG or EMS jutsu which is why he hasn't and the kages still can't stop him.

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Hashiramas attacks aren't whats beating the kages, its the EMS partial sasanoo and fire jutsu.So, hashiramas Hyping isn't very credible at this point lol.
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Madara is toying with them. If he killed them quickly then the fun would end. Goku did that all the time.
Pretty much. But he also is undead so that they can hit him with a huge move but if they don't seal him, he just comes back. I expect one or two sealing attempts that utterly fail.
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Re: Naruto 576

He does not need to hype himself since Kishi has already done by letting Madara fooling around with all the kages. Somehow I really think that Itachi is some kind of retarded, his brother finally listens to him and only him...

This hole Naruto will bring it stuff is bothering me more and more
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I felt like this chapter was for the lolz.

Itachi's cold shoulder technique. Maybe if Itachi pays Sasuke no mind, he won't initiate an interaction. Unfortunately, people like Sasuke hate to be ignored, amongst other things they hate equally as much.

This 1st Hokage hype is getting out of control now. I mean, ok, yeah, he's the best since the Six Realms Sage, I don't need to hear every other chapter that he could split the earth in two by sitting his ass on the ground and farting.
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^^^this is way way off! Hashiramas abilities are being hyped, but hes still nothing but hype at this point.

65 year old sarutobi is stronger then hashirama so enough already.

If hasirama was the strongest then why did he need his wifes help to beat madara? And madara was only trying to steal some DNA which he succeded, not trying to kill hashirama.
Anyways, if really u look at it madara won because he achieved his goal while hashirama gave everything he had, his wife assisted by sealing the kyuubi to help fight madara and all he did was wound madara which was just reversed by an Izanagi most likely.

Although madara lost an eye he gained the power to live for a hell of a long time with hashiramas vitality and gained Mokuton plus the highest quality of physical energy.
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Yeah, I'm afraid I have lots of thoughts and feelings on the whole Uchiha brothers plot line. It's my favorite aspect of the manga. In fact, when I reread my post and the current chapter I realized I had a lot more to say. XD;

I really do hope that Itachi and Sasuke end up facing Madara. And I hope Itachi gets his ass handed to him in the process. I'd love to see him with a real fight on his hands for once.

The Kages vs. Madara battle has been disappointing for me. I no longer have any real interest in seeing the Kages get beat up.
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