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Old 03-01-2012, 01:30 PM   #106
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Re: Naruto 576

So, basically you just said Hashirama needed his wife's help because Madara and the kyuubi were too much, but only after bitch slapping Madara, who now only wanted his DNA so he could implement a plan to destroy Konoha decades down the line, for some reason that was preferable than just killing Hashirama and destroying Konoha immediately, but that plan would take place after Hashirama used his "hype" to stop the kyuubi and pin him to the ground single handily.

Hold on, brain aneurism.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:34 PM   #107
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come on yo guys you know he's stuck on something ............ it's called stupid!
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No noob Mito Uzumaki was there and assisted hashirama by sealing the kyuubi afer hashi gained control over it....http://www.mangareader.net/93-54942-...apter-500.html

remember in the pic of the madara vs hashi fight where hashi has the kyuubi tied up in Mokuton. Thats having control over the kyuubi to where it can't move.... Clearly that happened so the Mito part did to obviously.

And WTF, the shiiki fuujin jutsu is the most formidable? The RG's Human realm ability does the same thing, but it doesn't kill the user and it also reads the mind of the victim. If shiiki fujin didn't sacrifice life then it would be a top 3 jutsu, but the RG and MS has those right now.
go reread your link. it clearly states (and this is the quote from the translation): during their fight, hashirama-sama gained control of the nine tails. and in order to better aid him, mito-sama sealed it insider her own body, becoming the 1st nine tails jinchuuriki.

nowhere does it state that she got involved in that fight.

and the whole basis on my opinion of the shiiki fujin being the most formidable jutsu....

well, i relate this to two dc comics characters, batman and superman. batman has no super-powers, while superman does. yet batman is more popular than superman, and is considered by fans to be a better superhero.

hashirama is like the superman of the hokages. minato is the batman. one had superpowers while the other was a genius who was also a badass, not saying that hashi isn't.

the rg and sg are powers. hashi had a kg. as far as we know minato had no super powers, and figured out the ftg.

so since the jutsus you mentioned require powers, while the shiiki fujin does not.... that is my basis for my opinion.
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& you missed the point of my post entirely. What I'm referring to is all the Oonokitards that scream rabid for his death. It seems like in most discussions regarding old people in a shonen manga the main topic is when is this person going to die. It's come to a point where killing old dudes is nothing more than a predictable cliche. When the old person doesn't die people rage fit.

PS: Shonen like Claymore & Soul Eater kill off people all the time. Hell Claymores protagonist has been dead for like what 2 years now?
I didn't miss the point.... chill out a little man... just trying to have some fun.

Haven't read claymore nor soul eater yet. i barely get time to read what i do read now. from what i've heard though, they are on my list of must reads.
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Re: Naruto 576

You guys are both right .. both stances have been made by the manga.. when Kushina told the story she kinda put Mito there and seeing how she actually knew Mito I'm sure she might have been in the vicinity but didn't really help him fight.. I'm assuming that what we know of the VOTE fight happened the way we know it to be.. Hashirama probably called out to Mito once he wrestled the Kyuubi from Madara to keep him from putting it back under genjutsu and most likely asked her to vacate the field which she most likely did.
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that's why Itachi's going because he can force him to release it with a genjutsu
Because Kabuto surely wouldn't have a plan to counter a genjutsu in case Tobi or Sasuke turned on him, right?

I'm sure he's got some kind of protection against the sharingan.

I know it's probably not going to go down like this, but I'd like to see Itachi and Sasuke fight Kabuto, then when he summons Madara to help him, Madara snaps his neck to free himself from Kabuto's control, Tobi warps in somewhere in all this, and resumes his position as Madara's bitch, maybe a short convo between the 4(3.5) Uchiha before Itachi, and maybe even Sasuke flee.
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Tsunade = No Senju, No Uzumaki but Slugs.
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& you missed the point of my post entirely. What I'm referring to is all the Oonokitards that scream rabid for his death. It seems like in most discussions regarding old people in a shonen manga the main topic is when is this person going to die. It's come to a point where killing old dudes is nothing more than a predictable cliche. When the old person doesn't die people rage fit.

PS: Shonen like Claymore & Soul Eater kill off people all the time. Hell Claymores protagonist has been dead for like what 2 years now?
Well the young can't die because of the whole "young are the future" bullshit i hope im understanding your point right.
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Re: Naruto 576

Um I do remember distinctly in the manga that Mito was at the battle, and though it didn't go into depth about the battle, I did get that sometime during the battle she took Kyuubs from Madara. IMHO, thats when he went to plan B, get the DNA and front death.
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Stfu already with this hokage madara bullshit
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Well the young can't die because of the whole "young are the future" bullshit i hope im understanding your point right.
Yeah generally speaking younger people don't die in shonen unless it's done early in the series or in a flashback to help define another characters current or future persona. My whole thing is this late in the series to what end does it benefit the story to kill off Oonoki? Overall he really isn't even all that important & his death really wouldn't make a big impact in shifting or advancing the plot in general.

Really the only death at this point that would be warranted would be Bee so the plot for the Juubi could move along. Killing Oonoki really wouldn't change anything. Killing someone like Raikage could be used to develop further confusion/conflict/chaos within the alliance since he's the one actually leading it.

Anyway point is there's no point in killing Oonoki just to stick with a topical shonen cliche.
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go reread your link. it clearly states (and this is the quote from the translation): during their fight, hashirama-sama gained control of the nine tails. and in order to better aid him, mito-sama sealed it insider her own body, becoming the 1st nine tails jinchuuriki.

nowhere does it state that she got involved in that fight.
Kushina: " naruto, do u know about the fight between hashirama and madara?"

Naruto "yes".

Kushina"Well during that fight at some point hashi rama gained control of the kyuubi and to better aid him, Mito sealed it inside herself to become its first jinkchurriki"...

What about that doesn't explain Mito was there at the fight and helped hashirama by sealing madara walking nuke?

Read ur self...(last panel)http://www.mangareader.net/93-54942-...apter-500.html
(first panel)http://www.mangareader.net/93-54942-...apter-500.html

Undeniable proof mito was there and assisted^^^^

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and the whole basis on my opinion of the shiiki fujin being the most formidable jutsu....

well, i relate this to two dc comics characters, batman and superman. batman has no super-powers, while superman does. yet batman is more popular than superman, and is considered by fans to be a better superhero.

hashirama is like the superman of the hokages. minato is the batman. one had superpowers while the other was a genius who was also a badass, not saying that hashi isn't.
OK....

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the rg and sg are powers. hashi had a kg. as far as we know minato had no super powers, and figured out the ftg.

so since the jutsus you mentioned require powers, while the shiiki fujin does not.... that is my basis for my opinion.
No powers? The shiki fuujin isn't just something anyone can use obviously so it requires something more then just the use of chakra. Perhaps the mastery of the Yin or Yang element, IDK.
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Yeah generally speaking younger people don't die in shonen unless it's done early in the series or in a flashback to help define another characters current or future persona. My whole thing is this late in the series to what end does it benefit the story to kill off Oonoki? Overall he really isn't even all that important & his death really wouldn't make a big impact in shifting or advancing the plot in general.

Really the only death at this point that would be warranted would be Bee so the plot for the Juubi could move along. Killing Oonoki really wouldn't change anything. Killing someone like Raikage could be used to develop further confusion/conflict/chaos within the alliance since he's the one actually leading it.

Anyway point is there's no point in killing Oonoki just to stick with a topical shonen cliche.
He dies because he's linked to no one important other than Madara, and Harashirma as advisaries. I won't speak on his connection with Deidara, whos obviously unimportant, he just simply disappeared from the story after being captured.

Theyre HAS to be a body count, including someone named so they have a purpose for sad emotions, tears, and either avenging like Sasuke, or attempting to overcome like Naruto.

A Kage must die, I personally believe Raichu's gonna get tha biz too, and unfortunately for the Cloud, they'll be stuck with KB whos a bad ass shinobi in a fght. But beyond that I wouldn't want his silly ass leading me anywhere outside of bijuu shit, like with Naruto. Just being honest. I'd rather follow Hanzo, Shikamaru, fuck weak assed Kurenai, whos not Senju, so she's just ugly. He dies because he's pissed off Edo-Madara who's playing and hasn't gotten serious yet.

I think he will against Tsundade, and I think she won't die...but she's about to take an asswhuppin that people will talk about for a minute. I respect her, but from feats I've seen, and not 'overhyping' Edo-Madara, but being honest, the Subtitute Hokage with a great Rack ain't in his galaxy, and power be damned, she can't hit ANY living/half living Uchiha alive. Not Sasuke, not Edo-Itachi, not Tobi, so how Edo-Madara??? Thats nonsensical, I'm calling Ooniki taking the death blow for her though, but a 'What's Love Got To Do With It' episode is a comming....

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He dies because he's linked to no one important other than Madara, and Harashirma as advisaries. I won't speak on his connection with Deidara, whos obviously unimportant, he just simply disappeared from the story after being captured.

Theyre HAS to be a body count,
There is a body count with the countless fodder that have already died during the war.

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including someone named so they have a purpose for sad emotions, tears, and either avenging like Sasuke, or attempting to overcome like Naruto.
Yamato, Anko, Samui, & Atsui are casualties of the war.

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Why should a Kage die? Generally speaking leaders of war won don't die on the battle field.

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Raichu's gonna get tha biz too, and unfortunately for the Cloud, they'll be stuck with KB whos a bad ass shinobi in a fght. But beyond that I wouldn't want his silly ass leading me anywhere outside of bijuu shit, like with Naruto.
Even if Raikage died KB wouldn't replace him. The most likely canidate for Raikage after A would be Darui. Also KB should realistically be the one dieing not Raikage.

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Just being honest. I'd rather follow Hanzo, Shikamaru, fuck weak assed Kurenai, whos not Senju, so she's just ugly. He dies because he's pissed off Edo-Madara who's playing and hasn't gotten serious yet.
Huuu these people aren't cloud ninja. Unless you're talking about the alliance in general there'd be a power struggle between the remaining Kages.
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I doubt Tsunade will die, Kishi already had the opportunity in the Pain Arc;
The Raikage could have been killed against Sasuke;
Gaara already died;
Onooki just got a power of will hax;
So the only Kage who didn't faced death yet is the Mizukage
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