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The Uzumaki's Ainu connection.

The Uzumaki seem to be a very old clan IMO. Just like the real life Ainu who are one of the oldest clans to settle Japan and practice shamanism with both male or females... I will show how the Uzumaki and Ainu are similar, having kishi base allot of his Ideas for the Uzumaki off of Ainu lore, heroes and religious practices/beliefs.

Link of Ainus use of Shamanism:.....http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publ...rsal-knowledge

Male Uzumaki and known descendant of the Uzumaki, Nagato has abilities similar to that of the male shamans spoke of in wrtting on Ainu.....
And the Rinn'egan is his symbol of being a Shaman like the Rikudou sage before him...

(Ainu as well as Uzumaki shaman nagato perform feats of)
In ancient times, Ainu shamans would fly, transform into animals, have animal kin, control spirits, and assist in hunting, fishing, and wars.[/QUOTE]

:Would Fly...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/429/6

:transform into animals... which is just shape shifting like when nagato shape shifted half his body into Mechanical armour of Demon realm....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/551/10
which demon realm pretty much is just a shape shifter as a path that changes any part of his body into a weapon....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/422/10

:Having animal Kin... Like the Bijuu who are animal and related to nagatos power of the RG through the sage...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/572/3
Or just the Animals Nagato has a contract with and is thus in kinship with them to be used by animal realm....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/431/7

:Can control Spirits which is trademark ability of the RG....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/449/3

(And there's a Legendary Hero of the Ainu known as OKIKURUMI who sounds allot like the Rikudou Sage IMO)
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In Ainu epic poems, heaven-sent culture heroes such as okikurumi, considered half-human and half-god, achieved full adulthood and leadership through death-and-rebirth experiences.
:Considered half human, half God was the sage himself. He himself was Human with The power of a God inherited from the juubi as its host jinchurriki...
RS is the Human half and his Yin/yang, ultimate chakra of the juubi is his god half... because even tobi recognized him as a man with god powers thanks to the juubi...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/467/15

:Achieved adulthood and leadership though death-to-rebirth experiences. In which adulthood is likely referring to the sages ability to transmigrate through altered state of consciousness (ASC) thus allowing him to grow spiritually as a man. and through the power of Death and rebirth RS gained leadership as a god amongst men, reviving and healing those who need it I would guess...

So the Male Ainu Shamans and the Uzumaki have a good bit in common allowing kishi merely some variating of the Shamanistic abilities to apply in a story of ninjas with a doujutsu that performs the abilities of a shaman.

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Note: and Like I have said before, I believe that RS would have come from a clan like the uzumaki since they are old, like him, and have such powerful seals which is fully capable of sealing the juubi, thus defeating him even without the use of the RG.
(The Ainu also had Female Shamans who were more just mediums that IMO remind me of the Females of the Uzumaki who are born with rare powerful chakra, which is used to suppress the kyuubi spirit.)
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the majority of Ainu female shamanistic practitioners are more like mediums. They use ASC and spirit-world interactions and perform community healing, but instead of controlling spirits, they are believed to be possessed by them,
:Females specifically for spirit possession sounds like kushina and Mito...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/500/5

:With the kyuubis chakra inside them, kushina or Mito could heal since it offers the same benefits as hashiramas chakra which is why it reacts to it so much....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/505/8
andhttp://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/545/17
With power of hashiramas level healing oneself or another is easy as pie obviously.

(That and the link even says thats how they heal.... And tuskar is the name given to the female medium that uses possession for healing)
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female tuskur have become the norm. A tuskur diagnoses and heals through possession

(Ainu also have given names to shaman based on they're abilities)
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Among the Ainu, persons with shamanistic abilities are named according to the abilities they display. Modern Ainu from Nibutani village on the island of Hokkaid├┤ recognize several varieties of abilities in addition to tus: u-e-inkar (clairvoyance), u-e-potar (incantation and curse), tek-e-inu (the healing hand), and imu (a kind of spontaneous trance) (Nagai 1983). U-e-inkar is a key attribute of a shamanistic healer, and persons with this ability are called ueinkarkur.
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(Clairvoyance) :1.the supernatural power of seeing objects or actions removed in space or time from natural viewing.
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quick, intuitive knowledge of things and people; sagacity.
Naruto in SM has this ability....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/535/7
This is an ability used by naruto and supposedly Mito as well in RS kyuubi mode too, but to such a level they can sense evil, intentions and hostility...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/545/5

I believe Tobi may have a form of Clairvoyance which is how he can find anyone anywhere on the planet, but that may just be another Mokuton hashirama ability... to trach anyone touching the earth.

:U-e-portar (Incarnation and Curse) Well.... IDK about this ability!?!?!
I suppose the use of this is with the bijuu as chakra who are spirits who take on form and flesh. Then Cursed to serve humanity as its weapons...
Or cruse is Tobis ability to turn into a spirit, by cursing himself of course then he Incarnates himself back into human form, solid with flesh.

:Tek-e-inu (Healing Hand) Just refers to the ability to heal someone or oneself I suppose. Not a hand that heals literally.
Medical ninjutsu is based on hashiramas powers and they're ability to heal. However, hashiramas and thus medical ninjutsu created by tsunade comes from the sage/juubi himself, making the ability a shaman due to its origins.

:Imu (A kind of spontaneous trance) which in this manga is clearly Genjutsu which as shown with the juubis eye came from the juubi, thus the sage as a Shaman jutsu.

So basically the Ainu and the Uzumaki are very similar as both have shown male and female Shamans in they're clans and are both really old...

The Rare Uchiha who can gain the EMS which is the SG's true power and only a simple step away from transforming into the RG which is the symbol of Shamanism in the user and its powers.... The Rare uchiha with EMS becomes like HOUSOUSHI...
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Housoushi was a kind of exorcist who used his four eyes to watch over the four directions and dispel invisible "pollution". He seems to be developed from a Chinese shaman/magician. There are still ceremonies held in several Kyoto shrines involving Houssoushi, but he somehow dissapeared or fell out of favor in the ninth century.
So even the uchiha, a rare, small number are capable of inheriting Shamanistic powers through EMS that also could mean that the SG power itself, was inherited from an Uzumaki named Rikudou. Speculation on that one though, big time...
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Really and this matters how?
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The Uzumaki seem to be a very old clan IMO. Just like the real life Ainu who are one of the oldest clans to settle Japan and practice shamanism with both male or females... I will show how the Uzumaki and Ainu are similar, having kishi base allot of his Ideas for the Uzumaki off of Ainu lore, heroes and religious practices/beliefs.

Link of Ainus use of Shamanism:.....http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publ...rsal-knowledge

Male Uzumaki and known descendant of the Uzumaki, Nagato has abilities similar to that of the male shamans spoke of in wrtting on Ainu.....
And the Rinn'egan is his symbol of being a Shaman like the Rikudou sage before him...

(Ainu as well as Uzumaki shaman nagato perform feats of)
http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/429/6

:transform into animals... which is just shape shifting like when nagato shape shifted half his body into Mechanical armour of Demon realm....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/551/10
which demon realm pretty much is just a shape shifter as a path that changes any part of his body into a weapon....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/422/10

:Having animal Kin... Like the Bijuu who are animal and related to nagatos power of the RG through the sage...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/572/3
Or just the Animals Nagato has a contract with and is thus in kinship with them to be used by animal realm....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/431/7

:Can control Spirits which is trademark ability of the RG....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/449/3

(And there's a Legendary Hero of the Ainu known as OKIKURUMI who sounds allot like the Rikudou Sage IMO)


:Considered half human, half God was the sage himself. He himself was Human with The power of a God inherited from the juubi as its host jinchurriki...
RS is the Human half and his Yin/yang, ultimate chakra of the juubi is his god half... because even tobi recognized him as a man with god powers thanks to the juubi...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/467/15

:Achieved adulthood and leadership though death-to-rebirth experiences. In which adulthood is likely referring to the sages ability to transmigrate through altered state of consciousness (ASC) thus allowing him to grow spiritually as a man. and through the power of Death and rebirth RS gained leadership as a god amongst men, reviving and healing those who need it I would guess...

So the Male Ainu Shamans and the Uzumaki have a good bit in common allowing kishi merely some variating of the Shamanistic abilities to apply in a story of ninjas with a doujutsu that performs the abilities of a shaman.



(The Ainu also had Female Shamans who were more just mediums that IMO remind me of the Females of the Uzumaki who are born with rare powerful chakra, which is used to suppress the kyuubi spirit.)


:Females specifically for spirit possession sounds like kushina and Mito...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/500/5

:With the kyuubis chakra inside them, kushina or Mito could heal since it offers the same benefits as hashiramas chakra which is why it reacts to it so much....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/505/8
andhttp://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/545/17
With power of hashiramas level healing oneself or another is easy as pie obviously.

(That and the link even says thats how they heal.... And tuskar is the name given to the female medium that uses possession for healing)


I have more but got to go so Ill go a head and post it then come back and finish because there's a bit more that is relevant.
Interesting stuff, but it's not new to me. I used the same concept in one of my fanfics by giving Mito Uzumaki the ability to see the future, by applying to her the female Ainu powers.

Edit: anyway, i appreciate your research, but what's the point of wasting your life with finding links between the Uzumaki's and the Ainu mythology?
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So Kishi based the Uzumaki on the Ainu... and?!

Interesting read, nonetheless.
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Interesting stuff, but it's not new to me. I used the same concept in one of my fanfics by giving Mito Uzumaki the ability to see the future, by applying to her the female Ainu powers.

Edit: anyway, i appreciate your research, but what's the point of wasting your life with finding links between the Uzumaki's and the Ainu mythology?
That was the same sort of words that popped in my mind after reading that long script, "sighs" kyf why kyf really why?
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Interesting stuff, but it's not new to me. I used the same concept in one of my fanfics by giving Mito Uzumaki the ability to see the future, by applying to her the female Ainu powers.

Edit: anyway, i appreciate your research, but what's the point of wasting your life with finding links between the Uzumaki's and the Ainu mythology?
Seriously? Im finding where kishi's getting his ideas for the Uzumaki which means we will know where to look if we want to know what else they are going to be capable of. Meanwhile, somehow, writing fan fiction about naruto ins't wasting ones life...

OK then....
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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
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Seriously? Im finding where kishi's getting his ideas for the Uzumaki which means we will know where to look if we want to know what else they are going to be capable of.
You just presented information and didn't process it to come up with a conclusion. Without a conclusion, we can't say anything about your post beside "interesting read", not even (dis)agree with your point.

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KYF, you're the last person who can talk about how others waste their time. At least Vishnu can spell properly, which probably came from writing regularly...
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Re: The Uzumaki's Ainu connection.

what we are all trying to tell u kyf is yes it is an interesting read but it is also useless information because it doesnt prove anything at all besides where kishi got some inspiration from.
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Re: The Uzumaki's Ainu connection.

The question I need to ask is: how does this pertain to all Uzumaki when half these points are based on Nagato's RG abilities. Which are not intrinsic Uzumaki techniques.
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edit.... So you think that kishi used the ainu clan to make the uzumaki clan, cool. . Most stuff from naruto is based from old myth from japan.
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Yeah. I recently found out the sannin were based off of a story called "The Tale of the Galliant Jiraiya". Other than the characters names and the toad, slug, and snake magic, it doesn't pertain much to the Naruto characters. Interesting to know, but not much else. Oh well. Fun facts you posted. Thanks KYF.
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Seriously? Im finding where kishi's getting his ideas for the Uzumaki which means we will know where to look if we want to know what else they are going to be capable of. Meanwhile, somehow, writing fan fiction about naruto ins't wasting ones life...

OK then....
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Re: The Uzumaki's Ainu connection.

Frankly people bitching about how this thread is "unnecessary" are kind of being hypocritical shits. Yes KYF could have posted it in the Just a Thought thread or something, but, shit, it's not like it's a BAD thought or anything. I can't speak for anyone else, but I follow the philosophy most of the people who've argued with him have had to defend several times that "Anyone is allowed to post their thoughts (within the rules). Just because it's KYF doesn't mean it must be wrong or that it must not be posted." It's a fucking forum, people. He can post what he wants. Question things if there are things to question, but don't just hate. Chill the fuck out.
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Male Uzumaki and known descendant of the Uzumaki, Nagato has abilities similar to that of the male shamans spoke of in wrtting on Ainu.....
And the Rinn'egan is his symbol of being a Shaman like the Rikudou sage before him...

(Ainu as well as Uzumaki shaman nagato perform feats of)
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cant tell are you saying that nagato had the rinnegan cause he was from the uzumaki clan? cause i thought that tobi gave them to nagato, but then hard to believe what tobi says
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Re: The Uzumaki's Ainu connection.

Where's the hate? I see them calling it as it is (straight up opinion) and me too curious to see the conclusion... Otherwise don't really care...

Edit: have'nt we been through this for years now, another new kyf thread certainly won't make anyone flip..

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