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Old 03-21-2012, 03:29 PM   #16
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Re: One Piece 661

Was a good chapter in my opinion.

Well first off loved the front page ! Go on Hannibal ! Next position for you is the Head of the Goverment I believe in you !

I liked Brownbeard sudden appearance as it actually answered a question of mine, could anybody from the Military be in charge of going around and trying to take some of the land WB was protecting ? I mean maybe thats what M and Law are doing taking some of that territory for there cause ? Although the only problem I can see is it doesnt suit Law personality.

Some more demonstration on Law abilities and was very impressed, although is there an actually translation for his fruits name yet ? I get the powers he has sort of basically everything in his room he can manipulate and he has got certain code words for the different effects. If Law and Luffy are to square at the end of this chapter then it should be an awesome fight.

The panel with Zoro, Luffy, Robin and Ussop about 'Coats' was funny although was I the only one who read it as an evil badass moment ?

Body switch concept, Sanji is going to die next chapter, I liked Franky in Chopper body I mean imagine how hes going to react to that.

Looking forward to the next chapter.
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I liked Brownbeard sudden appearance as it actually answered a question of mine, could anybody from the Military be in charge of going around and trying to take some of the land WB was protecting ? I mean maybe thats what M and Law are doing taking some of that territory for there cause ? Although the only problem I can see is it doesnt suit Law personality.
Brown beard was presumably taken down by Hawkins. So unless Hawkins lost, which is very doubtful, Law had nothing to do with it. It could be that Hawkins is the last SB, and turned in some pirates ( Brown beard being one of them )to the WG

Given that there are frozen prisoners on PH, it wouldn't surprise me if Law had access to criminals.
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Brown beard was presumably taken down by Hawkins. So unless Hawkins lost, which is very doubtful, Law had nothing to do with it. It could be that Hawkins is the last SB, and turned in some pirates ( Brown beard being one of them )to the WG

Given that there are frozen prisoners on PH, it wouldn't surprise me if Law had access to criminals.
Awhile back there was a topic about the Supernovas, not alot was said on Hawkins but the more I think about it this guy is freaking scary I mean even Kizaru said he had a scary DF when they fought on SA, its that wierd vodoo doll thing. And not to forget his fortune telling abilities, although Luffy has shown they can be proven wrong ;P
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If law is this hax, imagine Hawkins.
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Imagine all the supernovas there gonna be beasts
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If law is this hax, imagine Hawkins.
Though Kizaru didn't break a sweat when he fought with Basil, it did take him a bit of time to shoot down all the voodoo dolls he had. So someone who isn't at Admiral level will have a pretty damn difficult time taking him out, imagine after the two years, he should be ranking top five out of the rest of the Supernovas now.
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Though Kizaru didn't break a sweat when he fought with Basil, it did take him a bit of time to shoot down all the voodoo dolls he had. So someone who isn't at Admiral level will have a pretty damn difficult time taking him out, imagine after the two years, he should be ranking top five out of the rest of the Supernovas now.
True, but I asked this before, the 1st Commander the Dude with the Special Zoan powers, kicked Kizaru's around for a while, he got tossed by Akainau yes, but Kizaru didn't seem to be a problem to him.
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True, but I asked this before, the 1st Commander the Dude with the Special Zoan powers, kicked Kizaru's around for a while, he got tossed by Akainau yes, but Kizaru didn't seem to be a problem to him.
Marco is the right hand to Whitebeard which is why he is the 1st Commander and has been roaming the seas of the New World for quite sometime, kicking ass and what not. So he's able to hold his own and get a few punches in to any of the Admirals. Basil and the rest of the rookies Supernova powers weren't even half as awesome as the rest of the big leaguers of the Marines. Now after the two year time skip its all up in the air. Law is hella powerful and I don't think we've seen everything that Luffy has to offer currently. I think they should all be able to get their own few punches in to any of the Admirals but they're still a bit far off from being able to take one down like Whitebeard and possibly the rest of the Yonkou can.
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Marco is the right hand to Whitebeard which is why he is the 1st Commander and has been roaming the seas of the New World for quite sometime, kicking ass and what not. So he's able to hold his own and get a few punches in to any of the Admirals. Basil and the rest of the rookies Supernova powers weren't even half as awesome as the rest of the big leaguers of the Marines. Now after the two year time skip its all up in the air. Law is hella powerful and I don't think we've seen everything that Luffy has to offer currently. I think they should all be able to get their own few punches in to any of the Admirals but they're still a bit far off from being able to take one down like Whitebeard and possibly the rest of the Yonkou can.
I'm sorry, but I haven't seen a single character alone fighting with the ability to take down WB. I'm sure Gol D. was better, but those fights I or we, never saw, the skirmish with Shanks didn't end up being that brutal because both of them eventually had a part in the War, and both came intact and unbruised. Yes Akainau punched him in the chest twice, but IMHO that was 'assisted', basically in the middle of a war zone anyones vunerable. But one on one??? WB = nobody I've seen fight yet, hell if he were at full power I'd imagine that he'd have killed BB by power and ability. But his guts, I don't think he had the 'will' to kill any of his 'Sons', not even BB.
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I'm sorry, but I haven't seen a single character alone fighting with the ability to take down WB. I'm sure Gol D. was better, but those fights I or we, never saw, the skirmish with Shanks didn't end up being that brutal because both of them eventually had a part in the War, and both came intact and unbruised. Yes Akainau punched him in the chest twice, but IMHO that was 'assisted', basically in the middle of a war zone anyones vunerable. But one on one??? WB = nobody I've seen fight yet, hell if he were at full power I'd imagine that he'd have killed BB by power and ability. But his guts, I don't think he had the 'will' to kill any of his 'Sons', not even BB.
Sorry going to have to disagree with you on this.

First off on the whole 'skirmish' between Shanks and WB, it wasnt necesary a skirmish or fight or whatever you want to call it, all it was, was a clash between there swords which is still pretty god damn impressive as it split the sky, but also think about it ? Shanks was able to block WB with only one arm. If thats not impressive then I dont know what is in your eyes. I know there is a chance that Shanks may have used Haki before you say it but again WB is a strong Haki user too and was able to be blocked, there both Yonkou for a reason.

Secondly on the issue on anybody who could fight 1 v 1 with WB, I think there is only two people up to that role, obviously Gol D Roger being one as its said they fought countless times, but the second being Monkey D Garp. Its been said already that Roger and Garp used to fight each other all over the place and it was too stand stills, so if Rogers could do that to WB and Garp to Rogers then its only fair to say Garp and WB would be the same. I know during the War WB was a beast but I still dont think Garp really let loose at all during the war, the only time I think we saw Garp using a tiny part of his true power was when he was able to punch Marco as he was soaring towards the stand to save Ace.

Now back to the part were you mentioned that Marco kicked Kizaru about, that I agree with you, I think obviously the first 4 maybe 5 Commanders in WB Pirate fleet might have been admiral level, I mean Marco has his Mystical Zoan DF which can heal him, do many things and I dont think the Light Light Fruit was best suited against it, Ace DF kicked the Ice Admirals ass, Jozu the diamond back guy he was good against the ice as well from what we seen until he let his guard down and was frozen. But again Haki plays a big part in this and I dont think Marco would be named the 1st Division Leader if he wasnt close to WB strength.
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Sorry going to have to disagree with you on this.

First off on the whole 'skirmish' between Shanks and WB, it wasnt necesary a skirmish or fight or whatever you want to call it, all it was, was a clash between there swords which is still pretty god damn impressive as it split the sky, but also think about it ? Shanks was able to block WB with only one arm. If thats not impressive then I dont know what is in your eyes. I know there is a chance that Shanks may have used Haki before you say it but again WB is a strong Haki user too and was able to be blocked, there both Yonkou for a reason.

Secondly on the issue on anybody who could fight 1 v 1 with WB, I think there is only two people up to that role, obviously Gol D Roger being one as its said they fought countless times, but the second being Monkey D Garp. Its been said already that Roger and Garp used to fight each other all over the place and it was too stand stills, so if Rogers could do that to WB and Garp to Rogers then its only fair to say Garp and WB would be the same. I know during the War WB was a beast but I still dont think Garp really let loose at all during the war, the only time I think we saw Garp using a tiny part of his true power was when he was able to punch Marco as he was soaring towards the stand to save Ace.

Now back to the part were you mentioned that Marco kicked Kizaru about, that I agree with you, I think obviously the first 4 maybe 5 Commanders in WB Pirate fleet might have been admiral level, I mean Marco has his Mystical Zoan DF which can heal him, do many things and I dont think the Light Light Fruit was best suited against it, Ace DF kicked the Ice Admirals ass, Jozu the diamond back guy he was good against the ice as well from what we seen until he let his guard down and was frozen. But again Haki plays a big part in this and I dont think Marco would be named the 1st Division Leader if he wasnt close to WB strength.
I can agree with most of what you say, but only one thing... the REAL, and SERIOUS WB only appeared for a minor time, after Ace was killed, that speed and power were his truest, not holding back moves of his entire existance in OP. I understand why they didn't allow him to just freely go raging like the Hulk, or even be a wild explorer like the SH's, it would be too much, WG would see him as an obvious and continual threat, entities don't go to bed that way, they either fix it, or die trying before the lights go out.

On Kizaru, don't get me wrong, not shitting on tha Dude, he's a beast, and impressive, some DF just seemingly give advantages, or help over others. Each battle at higher levels, unless your at SB levels or slightly lower like SH's, Supernovas, your toast, example... ask Bellamy, lol.

And Garp, prolly when he was younger, I mean he is the Dude that took control of the Ex-Warden Super Roranoa Victim To Be, Dude that joind BB's squad and helpd them out in Impel Downs. He's no bum, but lately he hasn't really tried to seriously do anything besides train Coby, and his Idiot Homey. Even at Marinford, he was emotional, and dutiful and shit, but by no means was he 'overwhelming', I mean he went out like Bellamy, one punch.
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Garp Let himself get punched by Luffy everyone knows that he wasent even hurt by it. also after ace died Garp beelined towards akinu and i have no doubt in my mind that Garp would of killed him on the spot if it was not for Sengoku
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I can agree with most of what you say, but only one thing... the REAL, and SERIOUS WB only appeared for a minor time, after Ace was killed, that speed and power were his truest, not holding back moves of his entire existance in OP. I understand why they didn't allow him to just freely go raging like the Hulk, or even be a wild explorer like the SH's, it would be too much, WG would see him as an obvious and continual threat, entities don't go to bed that way, they either fix it, or die trying before the lights go out.

And Garp, prolly when he was younger, I mean he is the Dude that took control of the Ex-Warden Super Roranoa Victim To Be, Dude that joind BB's squad and helpd them out in Impel Downs. He's no bum, but lately he hasn't really tried to seriously do anything besides train Coby, and his Idiot Homey. Even at Marinford, he was emotional, and dutiful and shit, but by no means was he 'overwhelming', I mean he went out like Bellamy, one punch.
Ok would just like to remind you here, because from the way you are talking about WB he is a hulk all the time. But it has been stated and showen that even before the War at Marineford that WB was nowhere near his prime strength but was infact becoming weaker and weaker by the day. Now I cant remember if it was an illness or just aging. But a prime example would been when Squalo done his sneak stab on WB, Marco stated that WB should have been able to dodge that. And during his rampage lets not forget he issused his Last Order as Captain, basically meaning he put all his power into this rampage because no matter the circumstances he knew he was going to die, I mean look at the injuries he had.

Dont agree with you on Garp sorry man. J-man beat me to the punch, but we all know that Garp took a dive after taking Luffy's punch, deep down he wanted Ace to be saved by Luffy but he was in a position were he couldnt do anything but sit at the Admiral seat and watch the war. On the punch, we all know Garp has Haki, yes we dont know which one he specialise in but Im sure he could have used the Armour one to easily block Luffy, heck he got up after the punch without a scratch !. The Coby and Sword dude statement, Garp and Sengoku both know there era in the marines is up, they probably were staying in it mainly due to WB being still out there, Wb and Rogers being the biggest Pirates during there time. So now there passing on the torch so to speak. Garp putting it all into Coby to make him the next guy who can beat the pirates main players. (( Basically the same as Garp was to Rogers, except will be coby and luffy )) Also the moment Ace was killed we all saw Garp's face he was going to kill that Lava Admiral and we all know it.
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Oh this arc just shows us how insignificant FMI was. Haxx is all i gotta say for Laws df. By smokers descriptions only people with high haki could stand to it. Am dying to see this fight.
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Oh this arc just shows us how insignificant FMI was. Haxx is all i gotta say for Laws df. By smokers descriptions only people with high haki could stand to it. Am dying to see this fight.
I wouldn't call it insignificant. It dealt with one of the biggest ethical issues in OP, prejudice of fishmen and merfolks. I think we'll see more on this subject in the coming arcs as I'm sure the Straw Hats will clash once more with the WG directly. It's looking to me at this point now that the Straw Hats will become the true revolutionary army of the New World.
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