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Old 03-22-2012, 06:37 PM   #31
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Re: One Piece 661

^ I think he means insignificant power wise. None of the FM's except Jimbei can stand up to upper tier human fighters. I'd place Hody to be around 200 million beri level strength, maybe less.

While i do agree that the most important things to come out of FMI arc were the prejudice and of course Poseidon. I cant think of SH's as revolutionaries, none of them have an idealistic attitude even close to a revolutionary.
As luffy memorably said "Friend or Foe.. You decide" and even more memorably "Heroes distribute that meat, I want to eat that meat" its not abt greater good of all for him. SH's major fights have usually been centered around nakama-ism.

Ofcourse they are gonna lead the fight against the wrong but its interesting to see how Oda manages to involve them in the fight without pumping hitherto unseen idealism into them. Somehow i have a feeling one SH will die, probly Robin.. But lets see..
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Ok would just like to remind you here, because from the way you are talking about WB he is a hulk all the time. But it has been stated and showen that even before the War at Marineford that WB was nowhere near his prime strength but was infact becoming weaker and weaker by the day. Now I cant remember if it was an illness or just aging. But a prime example would been when Squalo done his sneak stab on WB, Marco stated that WB should have been able to dodge that. And during his rampage lets not forget he issused his Last Order as Captain, basically meaning he put all his power into this rampage because no matter the circumstances he knew he was going to die, I mean look at the injuries he had.

Dont agree with you on Garp sorry man. J-man beat me to the punch, but we all know that Garp took a dive after taking Luffy's punch, deep down he wanted Ace to be saved by Luffy but he was in a position were he couldnt do anything but sit at the Admiral seat and watch the war. On the punch, we all know Garp has Haki, yes we dont know which one he specialise in but Im sure he could have used the Armour one to easily block Luffy, heck he got up after the punch without a scratch !. The Coby and Sword dude statement, Garp and Sengoku both know there era in the marines is up, they probably were staying in it mainly due to WB being still out there, Wb and Rogers being the biggest Pirates during there time. So now there passing on the torch so to speak. Garp putting it all into Coby to make him the next guy who can beat the pirates main players. (( Basically the same as Garp was to Rogers, except will be coby and luffy )) Also the moment Ace was killed we all saw Garp's face he was going to kill that Lava Admiral and we all know it.
My thoughts were simply on what has been shown. I'm not knocking Shanks, or anyone else, I'm just going on sheer power shown. I'd say some of the most massive attacks Shanks vs. WB clash, WB Tremor Tremor attacks at Marinford, Ace & BB's final attack vs. each other. On paper, and past stories told can place others possibly 'higher' than WB. But no other single character that has battled thus far on panel #1 has caused as much sheer damage from they're power, or survived as much damage as he faced just at Marinford alone also some facts..

Whitebeard was one of the few people to have mastered all three kinds of Haki.

Sword wounds, 267; Gun wounds, 152; Hit by Cannons, 46 times; and as stated his whole Pirate life he never recieved a wound on his back. Its like Harashirma in Naruto, sure erybody says he's Boss, but honestly its just written stats, the Dudes not totally fought 1 battle in all of Naruto, hell thats less than Kimmimaro who didn't last long in the manga at all, but thats just an example. I'm sure Gol D., and others that are Yonku and unshown may be stronger or better eventually.
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Robin won't die.

She is the only one in the entire Op verse that can read the poneglyphs, not only do the SHs protect her but so does the Revolutionary army. She will be the one to come to the right conclusion once she has all the info, it was foreshadowed by Rayleigh.

The chances of a SH dying is extremely minuscule. Luffy already experienced the loss of a loved one, and came to the realization that he was weak and had a big mouth. He has said repeatedly that his 2 years of training were so that he could protect everything, same goes for the rest of the crew.

There is also the theme of realizing one's dream and being there for one another. If someone was to die under Luffy's protection, it would be a repeat of what happened after the war x10, and we don't need that. The SHs have trained, they are ready and will most likely overcome all challenges until the rest of the series.

That doesn't mean that there won't be lessons still to learn. I personally think that FMI will be destroyed by Big Mam, due to Luffy pissing her off and challenging her. It will teach Luffy that putting an entire population under his protection is a massive responsibility. I wager it will be the biggest wake up call for him during their travels in the NW.

I also believe Luffy will come very close to dying ( more so than the other times he came close to dying ) due to some exotic disease ala Roger. That would allow Chopper to realize his dream of being able to cure anything, something Crokus could not do for Roger in his final voyage.
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Re: One Piece 661

I firmly believe there's going to be one last loss for Luffy before this manga is over. I'm skeptical about it being one of the SH's, but I could see the possibility of a crew member sacrificing themselves for the rest of the crew. If Oda decides not to go that route then I'd say either Shanks or Garp are done for.
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I can see Shanks dying, being taken out by BB. He stated that he would eventually fight Shanks, and he already gave him a scar. It would fuel Luffy for their inevitable battle, and give him even more reasons not to spare his ass.
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Eventually after defeating Milhawk, I could see Zoro giving his life for the rest of the SH crew.. not everytime, but seemingly the guy right under the Capt. is usually in dire straits from trying to 'right the ship' when things are going crazy, and the Capt. ain't faring the best. Don't want to see him go, but wouldn't shock me terribly, I give OP credit, they don't just create shitty deaths, for unexplained reasons like other mangas.
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Re: One Piece 661

I third the motion of Shanks possible dying if anyone connected to Luffy has to croak. I think the best way for such death to happen would be a mirror of the first chapter, with Shanks sacrificing himself to save Luffy (it'd be extra good if it was from BB).
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Re: One Piece 661

As much as I hate to say it but yeah Shanks will die by the end of One Piece, he is just that guy who is so awesome but needs to die so the main character can reach a new level, or just to make him go all mighty rage mode.

But I can imagine it be a similar situation with hi shielding Luffy from a Blackbeard attack.
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Re: One Piece 661

It's really hard to fill in the role of Shanks in part 2.

I still have a feeling that Shanks may be a villain, well not really a villain but like an obstacle for Luffy. It sounds kinda stupid I know, just call it a feeling orso. Maybe he knew who luffy exactly was when he met him and well like I said it's just a feeling, whatever lol
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Re: One Piece 661

Do you guys think we'll see any further developments for DF abilities? In Chopper's case, we can see that he's able to manipulate the essence of DF powers to overcome its natural limitations.

Using the Zoan type DF as an example, by the default, Zoan users have three transformational stages. Your Initial form, your hybrid, and full Zoan form of whatever that Zoan base may be. Chopper has been able to manipulate and expand on those forms into four other distinct, focusing on one facet while slightly reducing other features. For example; Kung-fu point. Increased muscle, stronger, more accurate attacks but in this form he isn't as agile since his legs are shorter which makes it harder to run. Though he can easily change to another form to cater that weak point but that's beside the point.

My main point is, following a similar route as to how Chopper has enhanced his natural DF abilities, do you think we'll see something similar for the other types as well? Do think think Luffy's gears and haki will be enough? How would you be able to further enhance Luffy's rubber paramecia abilities as an example (not that he may need it though)?
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It's really hard to fill in the role of Shanks in part 2.

I still have a feeling that Shanks may be a villain, well not really a villain but like an obstacle for Luffy. It sounds kinda stupid I know, just call it a feeling orso. Maybe he knew who luffy exactly was when he met him and well like I said it's just a feeling, whatever lol
Shanks is to Luffy what Jiraiya was to Naruto, except way cooler. Shanks is both the measuring stick by which Luffy is to be compared to, and the catalyst whose death will propel him further.

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Do you guys think we'll see any further developments for DF abilities? In Chopper's case, we can see that he's able to manipulate the essence of DF powers to overcome its natural limitations.

Using the Zoan type DF as an example, by the default, Zoan users have three transformational stages. Your Initial form, your hybrid, and full Zoan form of whatever that Zoan base may be. Chopper has been able to manipulate and expand on those forms into four other distinct, focusing on one facet while slightly reducing other features. For example; Kung-fu point. Increased muscle, stronger, more accurate attacks but in this form he isn't as agile since his legs are shorter which makes it harder to run. Though he can easily change to another form to cater that weak point but that's beside the point.

My main point is, following a similar route as to how Chopper has enhanced his natural DF abilities, do you think we'll see something similar for the other types as well? Do think think Luffy's gears and haki will be enough? How would you be able to further enhance Luffy's rubber paramecia abilities as an example (not that he may need it though)?
I don't think so. It took years for Chopper to research his various transformations. I just don't think he'll have the time to be tinkering with other peoples DF. I really don't want to see it go that route anyway. I'd rather Luffy overcome obstacles on his own instead of needing choppers Haxx powarz.

I think Luffy is already doing something similar to what your describing anyway by using haki. Just look at his Elephant Gun. Clearly his fist physically changed composition because of haki use. I wouldn't be surprised if other alterations where shown later.
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Re: One Piece 661

Let's not forget bio feed back.

Both Luffy and Zoro have been shown to be able to use it. Luffy by instantly converting all the food he ate at IP into energy, and Zoro when using his Ichi/ni gorilla attack.

Lucci was able to change the ratio of his transformation with it as well. He had a bulky hybrid form for power and slim one for speed. Those could be explored later.

I do envision Luffy's improvements being more strictly physical from here on out. Better speed, strength and durability/endurance. He should also get better at hand to hand combat, even though he is pretty good at it already. Special move wise, red hawk gatling, jet elephant gun, basically gear stacking.
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Personally, I'd like to see Luffy come up with a few more unique attacks. He needs a move to counter Kenbunshoku Haki. I was thinking about that one time when his fist ricocheted off a wall and caught Enel off guard. Maybe he could zigzag his arms as he punches to reproduce that effect.
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Well they're are 3 types of Haki...

Haki is separated into three categories, or "colors": Kenbunshoku Haki, which grants users a sixth sense of the world around them and limited precognitive abilities;

Busoshoku Haki, which allows the user to use their spirit as armor to defend against attacks or to make their own attacks more potent;

and Haoshoku Haki, a rare type of Haki only one in a million can use which grants the user the ability to overpower the will of others. Most people who can use Haki tend to have a type they're better at and as a result focus on that type. However, a person can improve their abilities with all the types of Haki, it just requires more work.
In the Viz Manga, this is called Color of the Supreme King. In the FUNimation subs, this is called Conqueror's Haki.

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Haki users can still utilize their Devil Fruit powers, despite Haki being able to negate Devil Fruit abilities. This is because Haki only allows the user to bypass defenses provided by other peoples' Devil Fruit powers. In fact, Devil Fruit users can use the two abilities together to make one or the other more effective.

So a lot of imaginative freedom is available for future haki usage.
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Shanks is to Luffy what Jiraiya was to Naruto, except way cooler.
First of all Jiraiya is also pretty cool and you're wrong: rayleigh is to luffy what jiraiya was for naruto, kinda weird that you compared shanks to jiraiya while it's obviously rayleigh.
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