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Old 04-06-2012, 01:11 PM   #16
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What part? Put it in spoiler tags if needed. Is it a major plot thing or something minor?
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:13 PM   #17
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I just had to come here and say that anyone who read the books will find ep2 blasphemous. Well, I guess they always do these kinds of things to books. Piss on them. It might be a good series no matter what, but it's horse crap compared to the quality of the book.
I think it depends. As amazing as books are and how generally, content wise, they're superior to film adaptations, they need to be judged at a different level. Movies/series do things that books cannot. But, with blatant fuck ups [read: Eragon], I totally agree.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:53 PM   #18
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It's not just one thing, but if I did have to chose, I'd say that I found it really stupid that the audience never got to actually know Stannis even for a bit. First of all, his actor is terrible (which is weird since 80% of the cast was really good). Second of all, he has no screen time. Then just out of the blue he fucks Melisandre. What the fuck was that.

So we get screen time of a whore (who is non-existent in the books I must mention) crying, but no Stannis or Renly or anything else much more vital.

I am sure most people who just watch the show don't even know who Stannis or Renly are. They would just be like - who? And Theon did fuck that girl on the boat (came in her throat, too), but out of all the scenes on the Pyke with Asha (Y something in the series...what?) they had to show sex? I know publicity...but seriously what the fuck?

ACt and anybody else who read the book can tell you how many actually important stuff could have been added.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:48 PM   #19
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Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans

I haven't read the books but from the previously shown reactions of Robert, Ned, Renly and Catelyn I was expecting him to be ruthless and to have a more commanding presence. From the trailers there does seem to be a good amount of time where Stannis and Renly are together though. The producers might be trying to introduce characters in stages rather than all at once - they did that last season with the Starks.

The sex is over the top as always.



I am liking this season as much as the last so far though.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:09 AM   #20
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Stannis and sex and two different worlds. He is stern, always tense, often grinding his teeth, commanding and does what he considers to be justice no matter what. You see, his brother Renly pronounced himself King, and Stannis has the right to the throne since he is the older brother of the two. Because of Renly's actions, Stannis wants to move against him even though he would rather not fight with his brother. But law is law. And Stannis IS the law. He does everything according to law, be it good or bad. He is not flexible person one bit. Stannis seems like a minor role here, a toy of Melisandre's and he really isn't that. Melisandre is important, yes, but so is Stannis. It was really important for the people to get to know him and Davos, but we are getting to know how a goddamn whore cries WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT. Cum in a chicks mouth also. I mean, give me a fucking break, I can Google YouJizz or Video One any day bitch.

Still, I am sure the series is great. It's just those things that give me, a hardcore fan of the books, a bit of trouble with watching.

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Old 04-07-2012, 12:03 PM   #21
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i havent read the books, but i do feel them bombarding with too many chars too fast i honestly get lost with who's who until i hear someone say their name >.>
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I haven't read the book but I was never expecting them to stay completely true to them. There are things that you can do in books that just don't work as well on screen (introducing a load of characters being one of them), but they've done well so far.

As for Stannis, they have another 8 episodes to flesh him out further. I'm already really curious about him from what others have said about him and for how they portrayed him in the last 2 episodes, as someone who gets a ton of respect from those around him but also seems to be unhinged somewhat.

And he doesn't really just screw Melisandre out of the blue, she promises him a damn son, something his wife seems to be failing to give him, there was a reason it happened.

This won't ever be like the books, nor will it somehow taint the books by changing things. Just treat it as its own thing and enjoy it for what it is, hell George R. R. Martin is actually writing the episodes too so you have to put a little faith in him and know that he's doing what he can to make sure he transfers his work over a best as possible.
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You don't hear me. It doesn't matter about the books, it is the choice of scenes. Introduction to Stannis could have been handled much, much better. In a series with so many characters, you'd think that there are more important stuff to deal with and show then a meaningless character crying. Hell, you'll usually hate crying in an anime which has 600 episodes. Three sex scenes for one episode is more like watching porn.

Edit: now that I think about it, there is so much lore that it's ridiculous. And still, with all the bad examples, I am sure it's one of the best series ever. GG Martin.

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Old 04-08-2012, 11:38 AM   #24
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I haven't watched it yet, but am guessing the whole Stannis screws Melisandre was (book spoilers)
just before or after the meeting with Renly, after which she goes with Davos to the castle thingy and she gives birth to the horror which goes and kills Renly, which Brienne and Cat are blamed for. I think such events were mildly alluded to in the book and you do get the suspicion that Melisandre is actually leeching off Stannis to get to a greater aim, but that is only truly identifed many books later. Like I said before, the show is deciding to focus on Melisandre as the main character in this rather than give adequate time to Stannis, which the book did to have you go "oh, these are the important people" and then give you a shock when others die.

The show did a very similar thing with a meeting between Littlefinger and Varys, in which both implied that the other was far more dangerous than any other - which is utterly giving the plot away. I mean, again, you can tell that they are behind shit, but you aren't certain they have any power until book three or so. It is poorly contrived by the show because, again, when some people are removed form the story, it is a big shock, opposed to now when you have an idea who the major string pullers are.

I think it is a choice by Martin and the others involved not to waste time building up characters you aren't supposed to care about. You keep Ned because he reveals a lot of the treachery and makes you question who to cheer for, but men like Stannis and Renly are just a means to an end.


However, overall, my wife and I agree that Stannis was poorly cast and are not liking his character. Also, I think Renly was pretty well done as he always rather aloof to the whole story, just feel that they decide to go a little TOO obvious with the homosexuality which, again, is only subtly alluded to in the books. I think there are just a few mentions of his love of finery (particularly clothes) and the whole his bride still claiming to be a virgin.
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Melisandre and Davos didn't go into Storm's End until after Melisandre's shadow assassin killed Renly. She birthed one that went after the castellan of Storm's End.
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Oh right. Still, I always felt the two were the same thing by Melisandre - just forgot that she did it twice.
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I haven't watched the second episode yet, but showing that Stannis sleeps with Melisandre would explain where they came from

Especially when Cat swore the shadow that killed Renly looked like Stannis. Plus Davos said she looked heavily pregnant when they snuck into Storm's End and she birthed the second shadow creature.
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It doesn't matter. I know about the shadow that looks like Stannis. But if Stannis did have sex with her, he did not do it out of love or passion. He did it because he couldn't beat Renly any other way. Stannis in the show is terrible. Everything about him.


Besides, Renly was also poorly cast. He is always nervous and oh so angry with his brother and so fucking gay. He might have been gay in the books, it is alluded but never said, but he was always cheerful and amusing. Nothing like the Renly from the show.

I guess I just hate the screen time given to certain things and I can't go around that.
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As much as I liked the change in the end of the episode...that wasn't how Jon found out about Craster's dealings with the Others.
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Yeah, I hate when they take cheerful and happy and just understand it to be gay. I mean, those words are completely wrong. ;-)

Anyway, saw the episode. All the stuff talked about, yeah, pretty well agree, but all the other stuff in it... most was poorly done. That whole episode was, well, off. The only scenes that felt right were the Arya and Gendry and even that they sped up to ensure the bond (which is odd given what happens). Just seems the writers of the show want to highlight a lot of characters and activities that were in the background in the books and emerge later. Guess we need to make it simple for the tv audience.
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