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Old 04-12-2012, 03:30 PM   #136
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Ok well based on that I can see why he (Itachi) woudl need to cast it on a specific person.. being Sasuke so he doesn't allow some random shit to happen to him but damn thats a powerful jutsu in that aspect cause it would be a jutsu soo powerful that it would alter reality for everyone
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:43 PM   #137
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I mean don't get me wrong the jutsu may still be used on Kabuto. I just personally think when it is used the explanation will be something similar to what I'm saying whether it's used on Sasuke or Kabuto.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:12 PM   #139
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I think that that Itachi used the Izanami on Kabuto afterall. Think about it: he gave up on trying to rescue Sasuke from the darkness path, he left this task for Naruto and if you're looking at it, from Kishi's point of view, he wouldn't redeem Sasuke at this point after building such a conflict between him and Naruto. Also, i don't think that it's the power to change one's past. It may be that power, i don't deny it, but i think that's simply the opposite of Izanagi. Turning the illusions into reality. Oh, and Kabuto went flashback mode because he is about to hit the bucket. Have you noticed that every character Kishi killed went flashback mode? Jiraya, Itachi, The Third, Nagato, Konan...it's Kishi's way to say: " fuck with this character, he must die" .
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only thing that makes me think this flashback is jutsu related is because Itachi didn't want to kill Kabuto just stop edo tensei.. he even told Sasuke to ease up a bit as to not kill him.. it woudl be poor as shit writign to turn around and kill him now.

Plus without Kabuto there wouldn't be a good protaganist to continue the series.. Tobi .. dont give a fuck about who he is anymore and Edo Madara is around only due to Kabuto and if he's killed Madara is eternal so death is ruled out IMO.
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Well, yeah you're right HR. But at this point I am pretty sure that Kishi will kill Kabuto. He always does it like this: presents the past of the respective character, then in two chapters, that character is dead. Probably he will use Itachi to stop the Edo Tensei, then Sasuke will kill him.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:23 PM   #142
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Yea I know but lets hope he breaks that habbit this time cause seriously I wanan see more of Kabuto's Sage tech's and hopefully one day see him face naruto .. that life giving tech he used this week slays everythign .. theres no need for him to learn any element by proxy he's a doton user and all he needs is a element source so that means he can turn any elemental jutsu on it's uzer.. this is one of the coldest jutsu's ever!
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Gaara had a flashback he is NOT dead.
I think Hawk had flashbacks.
Bee and Ei had flashbacks.
Lee had a flash back.

just saying their is HOPE Kishi won't KILL him but just defeat him.

side note, In part one and before she appeared, I always hoped Kushina was just in hiding somewhere. woulda been cool if she showed up and taught him Uzumaki techs or introduced him to his OWN Blood Trait jutsu.

but that was before he became Uber Naruto.
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oh yea good point. I just think the flashback does a couple of things .. could be part of Izanagi's build up, gives us backstory on Kabuto so he becomes more complex as a character and gives us an attatchment to him so his rise as the final villain is better..

Also I hate to say it but I think Kabuto is gonan Hijack Akatsuki and find more villains to fill it's ranks.. granted the 5 nations have combined into the alliance btu there have to be tons of other missing Nin out there

One thing I'm worried about tho is the deconstruction of the alliance.. I dont think Kishi has the mindset to handle all the complications of the nations going back the way they were.. we'd be fools to think that Naruto is gonna make it rain rainbows by the end of this war.
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I've already wondered about that point and addressed it against a Narutard that is since long gone. Naruto has no plan whatsoever for after the war and even if he creates a UN-like organization, that won't stop shit from happening (Iraq invading Kuwait when both belong to the UN and many other examples).

If only Kishi dropped some clue that isn't vague idealism...
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It's funny how people keep misunderstanding what I'm saying when talking about using Izanami on Sasuke.

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I think that that Itachi used the Izanami on Kabuto afterall. Think about it: he gave up on trying to rescue Sasuke from the darkness path, he left this task for Naruto and if you're looking at it, from Kishi's point of view, he wouldn't redeem Sasuke at this point after building such a conflict between him and Naruto.
What does any of this have to do with what I've been talking about?
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Well with Inzanagi the caster loses the sight of the eye, what does the caster give or lose for the use of Inzanami??? What has Itachi sacrificed is a good question? It will have a cost.
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Well with Inzanagi the caster loses the sight of the eye, what does the caster give or lose for the use of Inzanami??? What has Itachi sacrificed is a good question? It will have a cost.
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Itachi said it, the eye will lose its light and then the next panel shows that its similar to how the sharingan on danzou arms closes... Which then leads to Sasuke to assume Itachi was talking about Izanagi when its not. Its Izanami but the cost of using it should be same ad Izanagi.

Edit: Not sure though if edo can regen the eye..

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Are you serious? This was all that was for this little chapter? Nothing but emotional flashbacking.... bring me pain and destruction and intense fights. Not this total bullshit.
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How is it to much when all Itachi is doing is defining a single moment as an act of fate/destiny? Everything else leading up to that moment is simply actions that lead up to the inevitable conclusion.
Ur talking about itachi changing a part of kabutos past in order to alter his current destiny in this current fight. That is too broken and nothing like Izanagi as an opposite jutsu. Izanagi doesn't change the users past to alter his destiny, but changes his present to alter it instead.
Izanami as its opposite should do the same except as an offensive genjutsu which would make an illusion reality instead of reality an illusion.

I think u are mistaken about itachis context of "destiny" and what he means by its changing through Izanami.

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He already cast it??? Well that was nothing lol. I'm guessing he hasn;t cast it since he says it was already prepared, not cast and kabuto has yet to be hit with a genjutsu.

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Izanagi does make sasuke attacks null by casting Izanagi on himself to make his death and injuries by said attacks a mere illusion.

I agree itachi or sasuke could cast a genjutsu of sasuke stopping kabuto then make it real, but nothing more. No changing something in kabuto or sasuke's past in order to effect him in this present fight.

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Eye levels have nothing to do with this. Also Itachi using Izanami on Sasuke to both protect him & stop Kabuto plays on Itachi's ideology of self sacrifice.
I'm more then sure that an Izanami/Izanagi cast by basic SG isn't going to be just as powerful as one cast by the EMS or RG. Thats crazy illogical!
The EMS and RG have like 5x more spiritual energy then the SG for more complex and powerful genjutsu to be made reality or defensively for an illusion.

Hell, tsukuyomi is way more powerful and capable of more complexity then a basic SG genjutsu much less the EMS or RG.

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I know what u are trying to describe, but its too much for Izanagi's opposite jutsu. What u are describing is something a very powerful RG Izanami should be capable of, not some MS level Izanami without the use of hashiramas chakra.

The only way itachi will cast Izanami on sasuke is for defense for sasuke. Although its an offensive genjutsu to be cast on others as opposed to oneself. Itachi could let sasuke get captured so kabuto stops Edo tensai then cast Izanami on sasuke that he was never caught, making him as he was before then ready to fight.
Thats the defensive capabilities of Izanami IMO. But, thats all really. no changing part of an enemies past to effect him in the present, ect ect. Just genjutsu cast on the enemy (whether an attack by a sword to slash kabuto to bits or that kabuto was stabbed by the totsuka sword and sealed) which would make kabuto cut to shit in reality or sealed by the sword of totsuka in reality.
Thats Izanami IMO.
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