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Old 05-16-2012, 09:02 AM   #16
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

So... meh. Izanami being Genjutsu is kind of lame.

It doesn't effect destiny at all. It just forces you to relive an event until whatever Itachi wants Kabuto to do, happens. Which could be a long time from now? -_-

Honestly, seems like using Susanoo's Sealing Sword from would be far more effective. Kabuto wouldn't see that the sword was out, because he blinded himself. That, and he can join Orochimaru inside! I mean, that sounded more like a Win-Win for Kabuto?

oh yeah, and you don't lose an eye~
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

it has to be activated through touch, which is why he told sasuke not too touch him
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:21 AM   #18
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

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So are they even going to explain how Itachi used a dojutsu genjutsu on someone with sealed eyes? This is stupid Izanami is just another genjutsu lame.
more like infinite loop no jutsu...

who'da thought kishi was a computer programming geek????
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:25 AM   #19
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oh yeah, and you don't lose an eye~
Jutsu is still active, wait until it's finished to say anything. And knowing Kishi who is sometimes very easy to predict Izanami will have a side-effect.
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

Don't forget Itachi is an Edo Tensei, so any loss wouldn't be noticed as much. And I think the blanked eye is there to symbolize the loss of the eye.
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion



Looks like the jutsu could of be activated via touch when Kabuto steps on the crow feathers IMO. Second times this happens he notices it. I love the mangastream translation. It adds so much frustration to the scene. Kabuto was furious that having high intelligence and strength he was still caught by something he didn't even notice. Like his master Itachi has caught Kabuto in an everlasting loop.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:25 AM   #22
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

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So... meh. Izanami being Genjutsu is kind of lame.

It doesn't effect destiny at all. It just forces you to relive an event until whatever Itachi wants Kabuto to do, happens. Which could be a long time from now? -_-

Honestly, seems like using Susanoo's Sealing Sword from would be far more effective.
Of course, it was a genjutsu. It's a parallel to Izanagi.

The Sword of Totsuka made no sense here. Itachi needs Kabuto to release Edo Tensei and with his eyes shielded, nothing else was going to work. In trapping him in genjutsu that he can't escape, Kabuto's ultimately going to be forced to end the jutsu.

This is chess, not checkers.

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oh yeah, and you don't lose an eye~
Um, did people actually expect the eyeball to disappear, fall out, or just gush blood?

Same thing as Izanagi, it went blind.
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

This is clearly touch-type genjutsu. Itachi bursting into crows was the start and restart points of this loop. Was wondering why Sasuke seemed helpless at times, guess it was all in a genjutsu.

Left with smell and taste genjutsu to complete the five.
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

this is pretty much itachis tsukyomi times 10 and in that being said i think tobi is really madara going through defeat after defeat after his izanami on hashirama backfired
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And that reminds me of another thing. Prepare yourselves for the avalanche of Tobi=everyone theories using Izanami as a scapegoat for timeline inconsistencies.
I'll be damned if he didn't call retarded Tobi theories cause of this.

Tobi really being Madara makes zero sense.

Why is he so weak?
Why doesn't he exhibit any of the other trademark Uchiha jutsu?
Where's the EMS design that we've already seen?
Why does he have a Zetsu body when real Madara survived the battle?

I could go on, but it's so stupid, I don't want to spend more time on it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:50 AM   #26
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

Its not just a geniutsu its the genjutsu even more supierior to itachi's tsukuyomi. Granted you lose one of your eyes it's a forbidden jutsu for a reason. How will he stop edo tensei we will see next week. Actually izanami seems similar to the sealing genjutsu itachi uses with susanoo kabuto is trapped and he can't do shit about it.

I said before he casted it back when kabuto "stabbed" him. He really does make sasuke look like a rookie actually with all the recent events that happened sasuke really needs to start training for real naruto is completley on a whole other level itachi has just shown that he is still leagues above sasuke. Sasuke ever since gaining ms really went downhill.

Can't wait for next week Hopefully we will see tobi vs naruto.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:54 AM   #27
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

i liked this because NONE of us predicted it.

being caught in a loop that is decided by your choice of actions.

Keep trying to defeat Itachi and your stuck, show him how to undo Edo Tensei and your free.

Also like how being an Edo Tensei does NOT stop him from losing the sharinghan in that eye. Means he can't spam it.

The only reason he could use it this way is because he can't be killed in that body, pretty good Kishi. I notice the creativeness of this, if no one else does.

The sharinghan is the most prized thing the Uchiha have, it is forbidden to use those techs because you lose that. NOT because they are so over powered.

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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

I wonder how this izanami going to stop kabuto knowing that he is the ultimate loser in this manga... Failing indefinitely is sure no problem for him...
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Re: Naruto chapter 586 discussion

I don't think Izanami is a touch type genjutsu. Remember what Tobi said about casting Tsukuyomi on the moon? It's something like that but smaller.

Let me explain: Since the moon itself has reflective light, a jutsu like the Infinite Tsukuyomi would be able to reflect on the surface. Now look at the last chapter when Itachi activated the jutsu. He activated it when Kabuto started crying. And since water can reflect light, Itachi's genjutsu reflected on Kabuto's tears which went through the tiny sliver on his eye shield and reflected directly on his eyes. So Kabuto got caught in the genjutsu without having to look at Itachi or shield his eyes.

Pretty genius move by Itachi. Play Kabuto's emotions long enough to make him cry buckets...
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I'll be damned if he didn't call retarded Tobi theories cause of this.

Tobi really being Madara makes zero sense.

Why is he so weak?
Why doesn't he exhibit any of the other trademark Uchiha jutsu?
Where's the EMS design that we've already seen?
Why does he have a Zetsu body when real Madara survived the battle?

I could go on, but it's so stupid, I don't want to spend more time on it.
EoJ, are you alright? Your first sentence makes no sense as it is worded and I meant ALL Tobi theories. Tobi=Madara's clone, as retarded as you might call it, is still miles ahead of the others.

@ Duncan: no. See how the loop is formed, not the beginning nor the end of it coincide with Kabuto's tear.
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