minato uchiha

@Num: bro I read your post and I have to admit that I was wrong and a bit hasty for calling you arrogant and a bigot. Please accept my apologes. I just wanted to say that you are in danger of your post becoming a sort of motif where KYF is all you talk about, and that's a real shame because I've enjoyed reading your post and theories, you get me..

But like I said, I was hasty and I'm eating my humble pie as we speak...

Numinous

No need for apologies, you said your piece from your own unbiased judgment (unlike some people, who have ulterior motives to reprehend me or others), even if you weren't fully aware of what exactly was going on.

And don't worry, I'm not in danger of being a one-trick pony who only berates KYF. I do have other discussions and post in many sections other than this one (most notably the One Piece and Spam Zone sections).

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Why is everyone assuming Izanami was cast on touch? Did everyone miss the panel where Itachi specifically said it it doesn't effect the 5 senses.

Let's start with the facts, and I'll add my theory into it. This is the panel where Izanami is begun. After that Kabuto has his little conversation with them, calling Itachi a liar, and offering sasuke a chance to come to his side. If all of this were genjutsu then that means Sasuke didn't even have that convo, which is weird.

I believe Izanami is in fact an AREA EFFECT genjutsu. This would mean that sasuke was caught up in it too, and was really playing his role not knowing he was also trapped. This kind of threw a wrench in Itachi's plans since he had to figure out a way to get his little bro out of it. When sasuke asked him Can't you use Izanami yet, Itachi replied "I'm preparing something else too", which seems to imply this. Later when they were both caught in that sound 4 dudes genjutsu, Itachi says Sasuke look into my eyes!!! and they then cast genjutsu on each other. Also Sasuke said "I see" which seems to imply that he figured out what was going on. What I find odd about that is Itachi used Tsukuyomi yet sasuke only used regular genjutsu. This makes me believe the Tsukuyomi was meant to break sasuke out of the Izanami genjutsu. It's kinda like, when sasuke used regular genjutsu to overcome Itachi's Tsukuyomi, except this time Itachi's using his MS tech to overcome an even higher level genjutsu. Once Sasuke was safe, we see Itachi didn't waste any time before calling out Izanami. That seems to me the equvalent of a movie director calling out "cut" after filming a scene, which is exactly what Izanami seems to be. A 5 minute scene from an action movie set on replay.



tl;dr, itachi is the boss.

woody_3162

I've considered it more of an AOE (area of effect) jutsu too, used it in my prediction.

one question
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/586/8
what the hell is that in the last two panels??
and is it how he might have got caught in Izanami?

minato uchiha

@ask me anything: Very interesting. I thought it was weird as well.Itachi using tsukuyomi when all Sasuke needed to do to break out of it, was a genjutsu. I never made that connection though and I must admit, your theory is vrty compelling. One flaw that I see is that Itachi originally told Sasuke to 'stay close to me' when Izanami was being prepared, then 'Sasuke stay away from me' when Izanami was ready.

So if your theory is correct, why would Itachi purposedly trap Sasuke at the beginning of the 'loop', only to free him afterwards?

We also have to consider that Itachi was lying to Kabuto about Izanami and not affecting the 5 senses. Remember, not only is he adept to lying like Tobi is, but they were fighting at the time and he would obviously want Kabuto to have a false sense of security. Like when Itachi protested so hard that he couldn't sense him when clearly he could, afterall, how the hell did he track him to his exact HIDDEN location, without using any sensory skills?

Edit: ooops, I mis read what you said about Izanami being an AoE attack, so basically the fact that Sasuke was also in the cave, meant he was trapped in Izanami from that point and not from when Itachi said 'stay close to me'.

Yeah, your idea is growing stronger by the second. Respect man

-SassyLady-

I've just gotten a chance to read it. And pretty alright here and there.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

For the love of god why are u still complaining numi.... Let it go already!

As for Izanami, I have come to an actual conclusion, not just an "IDK exactly"...

Here itachi explain his original plan..."I'll use tsukuyomi to figure out how to stop the jutsu then while hes still under tsukuyomi effects, Ill control him and stop the jutsu"...http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-578-page-14.html

However, it turned out that standard genjutsu was impossible to use on kabuto because his eyes were sealed so no SG genjutsu could work and the snake kabutos has on him can sense the enemies existence, temperature and even smell them making the snake a valuable tool to use to snap kabuto out of genjutsu.
So, if standard genjutsu doesn't work and itachi still needs to figure out how to stop Edo tensai through means of tsukuyomi, then while under its effects control him to stop it. Itachi needed a jutsu that could cast a genjutsu beyond the 5 senses making kabutos defenses useless thus cast Izanami with the destiny of being caught in a powerful tsukuyomi-like genjutsu that tortures the enemy through control of time (the loop) which will weaken kabutos mind enough for itachi to figure out how to end ET then force kabuto to end it...

1. Izanami isn't the time loop genjutsu, Izanami is how itachi was able to cast a genjutsu on kabuto despite his defenses of the SG, ect. Itachi altered reality with Izanami to make kabutos destiny "caught in tsukuyomi or some genjutsu like it"....
After while kabuto will reveal the hand signs to stop Edo tensai after so much torture in the time loop.

2. I don't know if itachi can force kabuto to make the hand signs with the current genjutsu hes in IMO. I think itachi may have to use another Izanami to cast the destiny "perform hand signs that end edo tensai". Simply because the time loop seems more geared towards torture to weaken kabuto and force him to reveal the hand signs to end ET.

If Izanami is merely a jutsu that allows an uchiha to cast genjutsu without having to effect the 5 senses "through sight, touch, sound, ect ect". Then the next Izanami genjutsu cast should be something like Kotoamatsukami to mind control kabuto into performing the hand signs IMO.
Or if its actaully a a jutsu that allows the user to create almost any ninjutsu or genjutsu from Imagination and bring it to life, landing it on the enemy by making it they're destiny.
Either way itachi used Izanami to cast what looks like a tsukuyomi torturing genjutsu by manipulating time as usual. However, I'm not sure if the same genjutsu can be used to force kabuto to make the certain hands signs to end ET or if he will have to cast another Izanami to land a genjutsu to control kabutos mind like kotoamatsukami...


I actually like this idea... however, the Tsukuyomi and SG genjutsu sasuke and itachi used on each other seemed to merely be a way to break each other out of tayuyas sound genjutsu. Sasuke said "I see" after itachi looked in his eyes with tsukuyomi giving him the idea to use they're superior genjutsu powers of the SG to overcome tayuyas...

And the 5 minute time limit is very unlikely IMO. Tobi was able to use Izanagi for 5 minutes after his ghost ninjutsu failed against konan, but he has a whole body of hashiramas chakra to use and itachi doesn't.
I think the time loop is itachis standar control of time via tsukuyomi, but sense kabutos eyes are shut Izanami was the only way to cast such a genjutsu without needing to effect the 5 sense.

Here it looks like itachi is controlling the genjutsu through touch,http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-586-page-17.html
but I'm more inclined to believe itachi is merely using touch to enter kabutos mind and learn how ET is stopped while kabuto battles the genjutsu from Izanami.

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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

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Really?

Just saying that your post doesn't make any sense

Numinous

... so you can get rid of the responsibility of assuming your mistakes and apologizing for your foul lies? Keep dreaming.

Really, just do that without sounding stupidly phony and, along with being relatable as a decent person for once, I'll be off your heels. It's win-win, so what you're waiting for?

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*Walks into the room & looks around*

Whhhoooo giiiives a fuuuckkkkk???

*Turns around & walks out*

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jericho Uzimaki

I gotta say this is why Veng is one of my favorites. short, simple, to the point....nuff said. lol

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Gamble

Joshua the Rogue

Transformers:Generations
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First Orange knuckle head ninja

The Question

jericho Uzimaki

here is my take on it.

1. Kabuto can't be killed until they release Edo Tensei.
2. He has defended himself from Sharinghan(which Orochimaru couldn't do, kudos Kabuto).
3.Itachi used a deffirent type of Genjutsu that Kabuto wasn't prepared for.
4.It worked.
5. ONLY KISHI knows how it worked(that's actual a MAYBE, as well. When it comes to professor Asspullski)
6.no one cares anymore how, let's just see what happens next.

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Gamble

Joshua the Rogue

Transformers:Generations
For NaruHina fans

First Orange knuckle head ninja

The Question

NeoKakarott023

The obvious question that everyone wonders but nobodies asked, 'why the fuck haven't any other Uchiha spoken of such a jutsu available since EVERYTHING else is expose, including the Jyuubi, and up to the moon. Additionally, it would've been smarter for Tobi to use this shit instead of Inazagi, and kept the dumb broad Konan in a loop until she was chakra exhausted. Perhaps that gives more creedence to his T/S ability being more of a specific KKG than an Uchiha given trait. No other Uchiha, or any other known shinobi can T/S like this Dude.

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xxMESTxx

Gee, seems like that would have fit into one post just fine.

Huh? I don't think Uchiha just go around blabbing the secrets of there forbidden techniques.

Again, huh? I don't think anybody's really that ready to permanently lose an eye to this technique, especially if this is all it does. I'll hold off too much criticism until we know more about it. But it seems ridiculously lame to lose an eye over. Especially super powered shenanigan eyes. Also, tobi was headed for certain death when he gave in and used izanagi, using izanami at the same moment would have cost him his life.

As long as Tobi isn't someone we've ever seen before, I'm happy. If he gave that I am no one speech, and obito pops out from behind that mask, I'm gonna be pissed.

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