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Old 08-22-2012, 12:35 AM   #91
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Re: tobi´s identity

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Shisui's body was found in chapter 222. The only argument that can be made is that he is not in a databook which is a minor detail.
It makes sense, what would they put? Who KNEW Shisui? Itachi, not a man of many words, and barely spoke of him. Danzou, Kabuto, and Tobi, spoke his name, but MAYBE of the 3 Danzou actually interacted with the Dude, because #1 HE HAD ONE EYE, #2 Itachi said Danzou took the eye because Shisui told him right before he gave him the other eye.

A more 'mysterious' thing is why NONE of the Uchihas that found him drowned, called it a suicide, thought nothing odd of the deceased without eyes.

Example, the only reason Ridoku's gonna be in the Databook thus far is because of Jiraiya, and others telling his Nursery Rhyme.

In the Shisui saga (which his part is as dead as his best friend Itachi), they're wasn't anyone telling his 'story' therefore he had zero stats, just 'Jock Itchers', speaking his greatness.

If Obito does happen to be the Uchiha behind Tobi's Mask, its like wow, he should've been able to crush his enemies at the time of his death, some shit should've awoken like in Sasuke. To be able to cause that much damage and be such a problem to Minato, and Kushina, after merely 16 years smells like stinky bullshit.
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:12 AM   #92
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Re: tobi´s identity

I think Tobi is Madara's brother Izuna.
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A more 'mysterious' thing is why NONE of the Uchihas that found him drowned, called it a suicide, thought nothing odd of the deceased without eyes.
Or maybe that's why didn't call it a suicide.

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If Obito does happen to be the Uchiha behind Tobi's Mask, its like wow, he should've been able to crush his enemies at the time of his death, some shit should've awoken like in Sasuke. To be able to cause that much damage and be such a problem to Minato, and Kushina, after merely 16 years smells like stinky bullshit.
No, he shouldn't have been that amazing at the time of his death. Pre-Rinnegan, take away Tobi's warping ability and what do you really have left?

Not much. Sasuke prolly coulda beat that ass during the Chunin Exams.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:11 AM   #94
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Not really. Tobi didn't form his own Rinnegan because Obito's MS is too valuable to use as a Rinnegan as crazy as that sounds. The only pair of eyes that can hurt him are his own. The Uzumaki bloodline extends the lifespan, not Senju. Presuming it prevented the MS from going blind is a bit of stretch since it can't even prevent the standard Sharingan from going blind after forbidden jutsu.
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Re: tobi´s identity

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Or maybe that's why didn't call it a suicide.
Um... it's late for me and I'm tired, but if this translates into you claiming they didn't call Shisui's death a suicide... they did.
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Re: tobi´s identity

I think he meant to say "Or maybe that's why they were suspicious of it being a suicide." Or something like that.

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He posted the same thing a few posts prior. I dont think he was trolling, I think he was dumb enough to copy/paste the shortened visual of the link here, with the dots, and think the link would work.

This reminded me of Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". (There is some other razor thingy that adds ", but dont rule out malice")

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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
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Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems

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Re: tobi´s identity

By the way, in response to KYF claiming Kabuto is a "master dead body locator", that would be false. Kabuto, himself, pointed out that he had a hard time finding DNA for Edo Tensei and had quite a few failures.
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Re: tobi´s identity

Makes you wonder how someone vehemently affirms Shisui's alive because Kabuto didn't create an Edo Tensei out of him and denies Izuna's possibility of the same when the exact same situation applies to him. Double standards much?

And further doubling the standards are when pointing out Izuna in the coffin, but completely forgetting the Uchiha determined Shisui DIED BY DROWNING (Chapter 222), implying the body was found. Dead.

And let's triple the double standards by saying Itachi's flashback lost its credibility because Tobi =/= Madara, but somehow the same Tobi's flashback is fine and dandy.


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Shisui at most was about 35 when he died....
[Proof needed]. The manga implies he's the same age as Itachi, so he'd be 13 when dead.

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Kagami was sarutobi hiruzens age... Meaning when shisui was 35, Kagami would of been 65-68 or so...
Hiruzen was 69 when he died. The Uchiha Massacre happened 5 years before Part I, therefore Kagami would be 64.

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But Obito would be kakashi's age who is 29 now...
He's 30.

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compared to kagami who would be 75-78 now...
He'd be 72, like Danzou when he died.

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And I seriously doubt that Kagami would of been 46-49 when he had obito...

That kind of shats on that theory with timeline problem....
He'd be 42. The exact same age as Hiruzen was father of Asuma, therefore 0 timeline problems outside your dumbassery and serious lack of skills at elementary school math.
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Re: tobi´s identity

.lol More people are going to be screaming Obito this week. The hints are there, but it's not him. Tobi was comparable to Minato's size (a typical adulthood build) 16-17 years ago while Gai and Kakashi were even younger than the current ages of the rookie 9 during the Kyuubi's attack. Hey, if it's Obito, I'll admit I'm wrong, but there would be more worrying concerns, like Kishi's sanity. Which has been questioned more times than not.
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.lol More people are going to be screaming Obito this week. The hints are there, but it's not him. Tobi was comparable to Minato's size (a typical adulthood build) 16-17 years ago while Gai and Kakashi were even younger than the current ages of the rookie 9 during the Kyuubi's attack. Hey, if it's Obito, I'll admit I'm wrong, but there would be more worrying concerns, like Kishi's sanity. Which has been questioned more times than not.
Kakashi thinks it may be Obito however that can be a red haring. Anyway we'll find out next week not this week.
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Kakashi thinks it may be Obito however that can be a red haring.
It's a red herring, no doubt in my mind. One thing is when Kishi wants to be obvious (like Minato being Naruto's father), the hints are on the not-subtle side but are still sparse between and then the reveal happens at the same time as the confirmation and flows naturally.

Now all these hints of Tobi=Obito are just phoned in and raining like hail in the latest chapters and the confirmation (if Tobi=Obito) was made BEFORE the reveal. I mean, if Kishi doesn't switch to the next battle in 599 we have 2!, 2 chapters between confirmation and reveal. Either Kishi is sniffing bath salts for such a retarded way to reveal Tobi or it's a third red herring attached to the character (being the first goofy Tobi-->Tobi=Madara and the second Tobi=Madara-->Tobi =/= Madara).
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It actually wouldn't suprise me if it's Rin. Is that weird?
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It actually wouldn't suprise me if it's Rin. Is that weird?
Makes more sense than Tobi=Obito. Heck, if Hillary Swank pulled it off with duct tape, why couldn't Rin?
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I was going to jokingly say that I could make a better case that Tobi=Jiraiya. Until I did a quick iternet search so i could verify Jiraiya and Tobi were never seen together, and saw that people on NF are seriously debating this, and then I felt great, great shame at myself.
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Re: tobi´s identity

I thought about Rin being Tobi for a little as well, the only problem is the hair and the amount of spamming with MS Sharingan would hint to me that Tobi using Sharingan does not stress chakra similar to Kakashi and his chakra.

The hair was actually something that changed last night, I always thought an Uchiha had to have black hair, but in chapter 222 that proved differently since there is a blonde Uchiha.
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