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Old 07-18-2012, 01:23 PM   #46
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Re: Naruto 594

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Itachi meet tobi to cut a deal with him.... That is naruto basic 101 on how tobi knew much of itachi...

And team jiraiya 2 unknown members will be more suited than kakashi's gen (deceased shisui and obito) for the random bs role....
Are you talking about Minato's group? We don't know them at all, so this could be a plausible group to choose from.
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4. Kage Summit was a tad disappointing simply because we didn't see any of the charcters that SHOULD have been introduced during the chuunin exams.

5. The War has been epicly disappointing because Kishi is killing off Edo's in a matter of one chapter when each edo (Kages, Swordsman, Nagato and Itachi) when they should get around 4 or 5 chapters of dedication.

Kishi started cutting the story shorter, his chapters have gotten shorter from 21 pages to 17 per week,

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Kakashi's generation includes shinobi he grew up with and served with... not having to be the exact age, but close within 3 years of each other.... If kakashi was 13 then... tobi whoever he is could have been 14, 15 or even 16 if kishi wants to stretch it...

Tobi somehow knows about kakashi, Gai, torunes father, danzou and everything about itachi that was never told to him as a member of akatsuki obviously... especially that itachi grew up during the 3rd ninja war and saw so much death that it made him a peaceful person... that is something that itachi would only tell his greatest friend, GF or little brother... With no GF known, and little brother thinking he's a mass murderer... it comes down to shisui who itachi would tell something like that... IMO.
Enh... Tobi was pretty talented and able to manipulate the Kyuubi out of Naruto's mother, not exactly the talents of a teenager. I'd bet he's closer to Jiraiya/Orochimaru's generation.

And I use the term generation to go with the rather distinct teaching arrangements used by Kisihi: First/Second Hokage taught Third, who taught Jiraiya, who taught the Fourth, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto.
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Enh... Tobi was pretty talented and able to manipulate the Kyuubi out of Naruto's mother, not exactly the talents of a teenager. I'd bet he's closer to Jiraiya/Orochimaru's generation.

And I use the term generation to go with the rather distinct teaching arrangements used by Kisihi: First/Second Hokage taught Third, who taught Jiraiya, who taught the Fourth, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto.
Uum, sasuke is 16 and the new madara uchiha... sasuke could easily take on minato as could of itachi at 14, as a MS user himself... Not that they would win, but they have the talents to do so...

Remember that the other power of the MS is to control the kyuubi.... so really any MS user should be able to control the kyuubi... whether a 80 year old madara in a zetsu clone or a 14, 15, or 16 year old shisui with his MS abilities...
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Re: Naruto 594

Gotta feel bad for Naruto's generation after this chapter. He is dealing with powers capable of blowing up countries and shit, and these poor saps think they can help him.

Maybe by giving him chakra for a spirit bomb, but they will never get another fight in this manga. Ever.
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I would say Tobi is Obito's father. He could take second eye of son's, and possibly have reasons for revenge. He would also know everything about Kakashi and Gai.
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Uum, sasuke is 16 and the new madara uchiha... sasuke could easily take on minato as could of itachi at 14, as a MS user himself... Not that they would win, but they have the talents to do so...

Remember that the other power of the MS is to control the kyuubi.... so really any MS user should be able to control the kyuubi... whether a 80 year old madara in a zetsu clone or a 14, 15, or 16 year old shisui with his MS abilities...
Bah - Naruto and Sasuke are narrative exceptions. They are advanced because they need to be (not to mention pushed to it by Itachi and Minato's parentage respectively). Furthermore, other than Madara, Itachi, Sasuke and Kakashi, any other M/S ability is completely speculative, mostly discouraged by the Uchiha.

Not to mention that after checking, not only did the Kyuubi seem to recognize the power that drew him from Kushina, there was no indication of anything but regular sharingan. We're looking at someone older.
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Re: Naruto 594

Decent Chapter, Tobi is/was most definitely a hidden leaf nin or from the Land of Fire (He actually believes his own hype). Not really feeling how the juubi is coming but Kishi hedged his bets and gave the good guys an out, with the whole "piece of the 8 and 9 tails"...... Really looking forward to something epic, just sucks waiting a full week and then getting a jumbled, convoluted chapter that raises more questions than gives answers, I mean come on Kishi, bless the faithful......
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You know, If Naruto and B are no longer necessary for this moon's eye plan to go down, doesn't that make this entire war pointless ?
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Bah - Naruto and Sasuke are narrative exceptions. They are advanced because they need to be (not to mention pushed to it by Itachi and Minato's parentage respectively). Furthermore, other than Madara, Itachi, Sasuke and Kakashi, any other M/S ability is completely speculative, mostly discouraged by the Uchiha.

Not to mention that after checking, not only did the Kyuubi seem to recognize the power that drew him from Kushina, there was no indication of anything but regular sharingan. We're looking at someone older.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-55203-...apter-501.html
Even if they are exceptions, itachi 14, shisui ??, madara 17, Izuna 17, kakashi 30 are all capable of doing what tobi did that night...

And I agree about some MS abilities, however, the MS's basic ability is the control of the kyuubi as said by itachi himself after reading the RS tablet... its an ability that any MS is capable of...

All the kyuubi said was "its you"... which could of been someone the kyuubi encountered while in kushina... not even madara... its the fact the kyuubi did not make a reference about the masked mans chakra like he always does when referring to madara...
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Tobi has an old face, full of wrinkles.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v43/c397/2.html

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v43/c397/3.html

He's probably perfected the treatment Danzou was undergoing. Physical energies enhanced by the 1st Hokage's cells; which is confirmed to be within Tobi's body.
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Even if they are exceptions, itachi 14, shisui ??, madara 17, Izuna 17, kakashi 30 are all capable of doing what tobi did that night...
Wait, wait, wait... where the hell did you get the numbers for Izuna and Madara? Last I checked the ages they gained MS were never stated.
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You know, If Naruto and B are no longer necessary for this moon's eye plan to go down, doesn't that make this entire war pointless ?
Ideally I'm sure Tobi wanted the full chakras from the 9 and 8 tails but has failed to do so. I'm thinking this is Kishi's way of making the story more interesting. But yes, it doesn't change the fact that the war was pointless.
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You know, If Naruto and B are no longer necessary for this moon's eye plan to go down, doesn't that make this entire war pointless ?
I've been making that point known for the last week. If capturing was the primary objective then they would've had the chakra stolen and avoided alot of the action previously for extracting from the other jinks. The shit seems majorly strange. Still, the storyline and action are back front and center. Plus, Madara will make himself know in the next two chapters would be my guess. So this is much better without the blabber rest with Kabuto. Let the ass whooping jutsu commence.
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guess this is the chapter for the new movie coming out http://www.mangapanda.com/road-to-naruto-the-movie/105
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Even if they are exceptions, itachi 14, shisui ??, madara 17, Izuna 17, kakashi 30 are all capable of doing what tobi did that night...

And I agree about some MS abilities, however, the MS's basic ability is the control of the kyuubi as said by itachi himself after reading the RS tablet... its an ability that any MS is capable of...

All the kyuubi said was "its you"... which could of been someone the kyuubi encountered while in kushina... not even madara... its the fact the kyuubi did not make a reference about the masked mans chakra like he always does when referring to madara...
It's all about knowledge and access to it. Just having MS doesn't mean you know how to use it, just as I don't believe just having a sharingan means you can control the kyuubi - he was pretty surprised when Sasuke supressed him. There are limits and just because there are links between tools, we can't assume they could all do it. Furthermore, the tablet wasn't just out for anyone to read. Good bet Kakashi never saw it, and we have no idea that Shisui did or anyone else we know of.

And yeah, I read the "you..." as if Kyuubi is referring to the mask man, because it makes sense. He could have been speaking to Kushina, but since he was bound within her, he'd know she was there, so, really thinking that was it. But can't specifically prove it. It also was a Kushina mind probe in Naruto, so we only assume it is accurate on those accounts... memory is a strange thing, in reality.
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