Naruto 594 - Page 9

NeoKakarott023 · 07-24-2012, 10:37 AM

Here's a thought.. if Senju and Uchiha are descendants of the 2 sons of Ridoku... that would mean that Madara, Sasuke, and Tsunade are related. Much more than Naruto even with Kushina's links to Senju, unless somehow the Namikaze's is another brother offspring.

That being said, I wonder why Tsunade never had a specific feeling toward Uchiha, love or hate, like Danzou seemed to have for Uchiha? One would think that her 'bloodline' would have an overwhelming feeling one way or the other. An example is like tha Hyuuga Broad, Hinata, though she's a clueless bystander between the 'tension' between family branches, she's still there and gets caught up in the crossfire even though she had no specific emotional alligance for one side or the other. She paid the price specifically during the Chuunin Exams, and didn't ask to be within the situation. With only one Senju present, and so few Uchihas within the manga, I find that to be a wasted opportunity within the plot, if were truly trying to link shit together and make it make sense.

jekyl_hyde · 07-24-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kael03

Actually, you have your physics wrong. The explosion isn't caused by decompression, it's caused by the internal pressure of the gas expanding from the heat superseding the strength of the container with no suitable outlet for that gas to escape (because a small hole, like the nozzle or a bullet hole, isn't sufficient to empty the entire content of the tank in an instant). Decompression is the gas being released from the tank, decreasing the internal forces form the gas expanding outward (which it invariably does).

Ok, seriously, shut up. Or do we need to go back to 4th grade and re-study molecular composition?

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Any physicist/chemist would also know that oxygen, when combined with an alkaline metal, forms a SOLID known as an alkali metal oxide. These oxides melt at temperatures well above 100 C (the lowest melting temp is Lithium peroxide at 195 C (there is lithium superoxide at 15K, but it doesn't exist outside of matrix isolation)), so they can't exist in anything but a solid state at room temperatures.

You're right. Forgive me of my memory lapse since it has been 10 years since I passed Chemistry with an A (4.0 scale).

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Your chemistry teacher must've had a short tenure if that was his primary lab work. That isn't teaching you anything about chemistry as a whole, and it is dangerous (because there's always that one dumb shit that will inevitably blow up the building). My chem labs consisted of different mixtures, like diluting acids, on top of burning different metals to gauge what they were based on the colors they burned (which is actually a reaction from the electrons jumping out to a larger shell, then falling back to their normal shells), which leads me to your next "bonus question":

Green flame: Barium
Orange flame: Calcium
Purple flame: Rubidium

First and foremost, my Chem prof was tenured, extremely respected, and was published beyond degree.

Second, he knew how to make Chem lab fun (seriously, the 2nd lab was about making a Bong out of flasks and test tubes) and how to apply it in the real world.

Third, you're half-right (and I guess that is due to my not being too specific). Don't forget Copper(I) and Potassium

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Gee, I don't know, to control the flow of the gas to make it more useful to the welder? It makes it more difficult to cut metal if you have a loose flame (see also: flamethrower) than a controlled flame.

Thanks for providing the evidence between a controlled decompression and an uncontrolled decompression. You should really listen to yourself. Thanks for making my point.

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There's one small problem with your "deduction": The Rasenshuriken was no where near actually touching Human path before it expanded (the expansion was rapid).

See your point about the flamethrower, all wise and knowing physicist.

-SassyLady- · 07-24-2012, 11:41 AM

Interesting indeed.

kael03 · 07-24-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jekyl_hyde

Ok, seriously, shut up. Or do we need to go back to 4th grade and re-study molecular composition?

I'm guessing we do, since you're confusing rapid expansion of gases with decompression.

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You're right. Forgive me of my memory lapse since it has been 10 years since I passed Chemistry with an A (4.0 scale).

I would like to see the transcript of this.

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Thanks for providing the evidence between a controlled decompression and an uncontrolled decompression. You should really listen to yourself. Thanks for making my point.

I wasn't making your point. An uncontrolled decompression =/= an expansion. An expansion causes increased pressure on the container, a decompression, controlled or otherwise, does the exact opposite. The regulator on a torch doesn't cause an expansion that would lead to an explosion, it causes a controlled decompression that allows the gas inside the tank to react with a catalyst (the spark) and oxygen.

stubborn_d0nkey · 07-24-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

Here's a thought.. if Senju and Uchiha are descendants of the 2 sons of Ridoku... that would mean that Madara, Sasuke, and Tsunade are related. Much more than Naruto even with Kushina's links to Senju, unless somehow the Namikaze's is another brother offspring.

That being said, I wonder why Tsunade never had a specific feeling toward Uchiha, love or hate, like Danzou seemed to have for Uchiha? One would think that her 'bloodline' would have an overwhelming feeling one way or the other. An example is like tha Hyuuga Broad, Hinata, though she's a clueless bystander between the 'tension' between family branches, she's still there and gets caught up in the crossfire even though she had no specific emotional alligance for one side or the other. She paid the price specifically during the Chuunin Exams, and didn't ask to be within the situation. With only one Senju present, and so few Uchihas within the manga, I find that to be a wasted opportunity within the plot, if were truly trying to link shit together and make it make sense.

Everybody is related, if you go back far enough, so what is your boundary to call someone related?

jekyl_hyde · 07-24-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

I'm guessing we do, since you're confusing rapid expansion of gases with decompression.

Ok, mister know-it-all, apsiring physicist, we'll revisit grade school.

The molecular composition of the three common forms of matter is universal with all three forms.

Now when gases are compressed, they take on a liquid state, because their molecules have been compressed to those that resemble the molecular composition of a liquid. Now if compression is the pressurization of molecules in the case of gases, guess what decompression is all-knowing physicist. It's the expansion of them. Let me repeat that for you since you are all-knowing... it is the expansion, one more time, expansion of said molecules.

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I would like to see the transcript of this.

You really think I'm going to post my transcript with the personal information that is on it? Post your's first.

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I wasn't making your point. An uncontrolled decompression =/= an expansion. An expansion causes increased pressure on the container, a decompression, controlled or otherwise, does the exact opposite. The regulator on a torch doesn't cause an expansion that would lead to an explosion, it causes a controlled decompression that allows the gas inside the tank to react with a catalyst (the spark) and oxygen.

Like I said earlier, thanks for making my point.

kael03 · 07-24-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jekyl_hyde

Ok, mister know-it-all, apsiring physicist, we'll revisit grade school.

The molecular composition of the three common forms of matter is universal with all three forms.

Now when gases are compressed, they take on a liquid state, because their molecules have been compressed to those that resemble the molecular composition of a liquid. Now if compression is the pressurization of molecules in the case of gases, guess what decompression is all-knowing physicist. It's the expansion of them. Let me repeat that for you since you are all-knowing... it is the expansion, one more time, expansion of said molecules.

Congrats for confusing molecular motion with pressure? The states of matter are based on molecular motion at sea level pressure (1 atmosphere), and temperature of the matter in question. The lower the temperature, the less excited the molecules, the less they move around, the closer they become, which causes a state change. The higher the temperature, the more excited the molecules, the more they move, the further apart they grow, which causes a state change.

I'll make it easier for you:

Decompression is the effect obtained when the volume of a gas is released from its container, decreasing the internal pressure being exerted on the container.

Explosion is the effect obtained when a specific volume of gas (volume not increased or decreased) exerts more internal pressure on its container than the container can withstand. The resulting flames are simply a chemical reaction of the gas with the oxygen around the container with some nearby catalyst (an open flame, an errant spark, etc.).

See the difference?

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You really think I'm going to post my transcript with the personal information that is on it? Post your's first.

You really have no idea how burden of proof works, I see. YOU made the claim of having a 4.0 in Chemistry, YOU have to provide proof of it. Also, you do know you can edit the file right (which may ruin the credibility, but whatever) to hide personal information like you SSN

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Like I said earlier, thanks for making my point.

Your point seems to have changed to hide the backpedaling then.

Numinous · 07-24-2012, 01:42 PM

*Entering Helen Lovejoy mode*

Won't somebody please think of entropy!

Okay, that's my 2 cents. BTW, JH, check out superfluids.

kael03 · 07-24-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

*Entering Helen Lovejoy mode*

Won't somebody please think of entropy!

I kind of eluded to it with the quick and dirty explanation of molecular motion and temperature.

jekyl_hyde · 07-24-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

*Entering Helen Lovejoy mode*

Won't somebody please think of entropy!

Okay, that's my 2 cents. BTW, JH, check out superfluids.

Kudos... Kudos.

Haven't used the terms entropy and superfluids in... 8 years now. Man I can't wait to go back to college and finish my degree.

jekyl_hyde · 07-24-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

Congrats for confusing molecular motion with pressure? The states of matter are based on molecular motion at sea level pressure (1 atmosphere), and temperature of the matter in question. The lower the temperature, the less excited the molecules, the less they move around, the closer they become, which causes a state change. The higher the temperature, the more excited the molecules, the more they move, the further apart they grow, which causes a state change.

I'll make it easier for you:

Decompression is the effect obtained when the volume of a gas is released from its container, decreasing the internal pressure being exerted on the container.

Explosion is the effect obtained when a specific volume of gas (volume not increased or decreased) exerts more internal pressure on its container than the container can withstand. The resulting flames are simply a chemical reaction of the gas with the oxygen around the container with some nearby catalyst (an open flame, an errant spark, etc.).

See the difference?

Dude, you are so freaking frustrating, you don't even realize that we're saying the same fucking thing. The difference is, you either don't know how to put things in layman's terms, or you're so damn self-conceded, you've got to overstate your point (even though it coincides with mine, and mine with yours), you lose track of the initial point.

I seriously doubt you've dealt with everyday, real-world compressed gases (i.e. the main one being Freon), otherwise you would understand your overstatements are useless and not needed.

Hell, ever noticed how the overuse of a can of compressed air (everyday computer periphal cleaners) has the same viscosity regardless of the external temperature in which it is sprayed? Do you want to know why? See my earlier point about the molecular composition.

And also, do we really have to go down the road of molecular composition and molecular motion, because in essence, using 3D models, they coincide (I thought you would know that).

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You really have no idea how burden of proof works, I see. YOU made the claim of having a 4.0 in Chemistry, YOU have to provide proof of it. Also, you do know you can edit the file right (which may ruin the credibility, but whatever) to hide personal information like you SSN

You're not going to believe me one way or the other. You're a stuck up, all-knowing, aspiring physicist... who apparently doesn't understand layman's terms.

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Your point seems to have changed to hide the backpedaling then.

Not backpedaling... you just don't understand simplicity.

ExplosiveArt · 07-25-2012, 12:09 AM

I am not looking forward to taking Organic Chemistry in the fall.

Thanks for the inspiration y'all.

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NeoKakarott023 Sennin Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Parts Unknown, East Blue Posts: 4,832 Thanks: 3,394 Thanked 1,626 Times in 978 Posts	Re: Naruto 594 Here's a thought.. if Senju and Uchiha are descendants of the 2 sons of Ridoku... that would mean that Madara, Sasuke, and Tsunade are related. Much more than Naruto even with Kushina's links to Senju, unless somehow the Namikaze's is another brother offspring. That being said, I wonder why Tsunade never had a specific feeling toward Uchiha, love or hate, like Danzou seemed to have for Uchiha? One would think that her 'bloodline' would have an overwhelming feeling one way or the other. An example is like tha Hyuuga Broad, Hinata, though she's a clueless bystander between the 'tension' between family branches, she's still there and gets caught up in the crossfire even though she had no specific emotional alligance for one side or the other. She paid the price specifically during the Chuunin Exams, and didn't ask to be within the situation. With only one Senju present, and so few Uchihas within the manga, I find that to be a wasted opportunity within the plot, if were truly trying to link shit together and make it make sense. __________________ Hit me tha right way, I gots no problem reppin' ya, and look for nothing in return. Just letting Ya know You have dishonored my Family, and a Shaolin Temple... 許 Yurusenai 許 Unforgivable

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