Numinous

Sorry for the confusion then, I thought referring to Hovindian creationism would clarify what exactly I was talking about.

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Vengeance

No need to apologize I misunderstood what you were saying that's all.

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Screenshot from Shingeki no Kyojin.

Check out this awesome manga called Magi.

The Special One

1-3 more chapters before Tobi's identity. I'm telling you, his identity is not going to be "that" shocking. At the least, it'll provide some closure long as it's not some absurd answer.

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Numinous

@ bolded: I have to agree. I don't know if it's intentional but when he says:

To me it sounds like "hey, keep misdirecting yourselves and maybe the reveal will shock someone!" instead of the mother of all twists.

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Sensei-Q

Meh, a rasengan the size of a village would only destroy perfect Susano'os outer layer I tell you. There's going to be a magnificent anti-climax. Frieza survived it too. That would mean only one thing: ascend to super saiyan. Wait..

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Dagoro

I hate these seemingly invincible villains, most of the time they meet a lame ass end. Madara is immortal, has unlimited chakra and some other BS. W/E Kishi has in store for him in terms of being defeated can't be good, specially when the guy can stay in his megazord indefinitely and spam mountain level slashes.

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Numinous

1. Bring Orihime from Bleach
2. Asks her to reject Madara's existence
3. ????
4. Profit!

Still better than what I think Kishi will do to get rid of Madara.

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The Special One

A smart thing to do is have there be another way to end the Edo Tensei à la the mystery scroll, imo.

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Numinous

That wouldn't be smart, that'd be lazy. Coming up with a scroll side plot just to undo something that could've been undone previously? But, considering Kishi, it's very probable.

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Dagoro

Some are theorizing that Oro will put more edos on the field to fight the alliance. Either way it has a high chance of being retarded.

More edos = gay

Alliance doing anything useful against a god and Steve the intangible = makes no sense. These guys are stronger than 99% of the verse combined.

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The Special One

I don't see conventional methods putting Madara away at this point anymore. Madara shoots meters from space and has an impregnable defensive and cataclysmic offensive tool of destruction that spans 300 ft tall. The only possible way to make things worse is to do what Sensei Q suggests, which is to deploy a big fuckin' Rasengan that eradicates every fiber of the Edo Tensei, obstructing it from reconstructing. As annoying as everything else may appear, nothing will amount to this atrocity.

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Dagoro

Some one scaled it on another site, it came to being over a kilometer tall.

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The Special One

Damn, I wouldn't be shocked.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Or shisui knew he could not reach his full potential with the SG as himself, killed off his real identity to become a "no one" identity with the use of tobi for reference because he realized what itachi did because he taught it to him, which is why itachi thought that way as shisui's sasuke to him... little brother figure...

Itachi: "as i have just said now... don't judge others by your preconceptions or by your judgement of their appearance..."http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/222/16

Itachi: "The clan, the clan, you fail to measure your own capacity.. as well as see my own which is why you lie here, beaten.... you hold onto your orginization, your clan, your name... these things limit us, limit our capacity and should be shunned... it is foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know"... http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/222/17

What itachi is explaining is very similar to tobi's ideology... except itachi chooses just to not be uchiha... realizing such a thing limits him as a shinobi... Tobi, who I believe is shisui, would of had this same ideology, but was the one to pass it on to itachi as his mentor... Tobi has admitted he chooses to be "no one"... which is no identity of a clan, organization or name... I believe the very "truth" tobi speaks of will turn out to be just as itachi's was... identities limit shinobi... they force them to be trapped within the comfines of such a limited notion, as a clan or person... having no identity frees one up to reach his/her full potential with no limits... thus identity should be shunned, thrown away to create a more perfect identity of "no identity"...

WOW, I just went way off topic... anywho... I agree with ya...

Exactly... except I am trying to point out the reasonable conclusion that if such a powerful chakra is needed to use the jutsu, it must take the same chakra to awaken, create the genjutsu of the MS in the first place...

I am not sure if shisui had hashirama chakra, exactly... I assume that because I think he is tobi and tobi has hashirama's chakra from cell implantation just as madara has now... hashirama's chakra is not the only super powered chakra in the narutoverse... apparently Nagato Uzumaki's chakra was so powerful it was capable of awakening the RG just as hashirama's did within edo madara... and the kyuubi's Yang chakra naruto uses reacts with hashirama;s chakra as if its the same....

Still, because hashirama had a chakra that is the combination of both senju and uzumaki abilities... was known to have a close relationship with the uzumaki and the only senju in history to be so powerful with such a unique chakra...
I think its likely that hashirama was an uzumaki/senju hybrid... having been born with both clans bloodline traits which has not been seen since the younger son of RS inherited his fathers Yang half of power which was based on powerful Physical energy (senju power) and powerful life energy (uzumaki power). Hell, nagato could of been like hashirama, a hybrid of the two clans related to the younger son too... which is why he also could awaken the RG from what could only be assumed to of been either madara's EMS or a simple pair of SG eyes... do not know yet...

So, since I doubt shisui was an uchiha/senju/uzumaki hybrid who awakened all three of RS's direct bloodlines traits... I think shisui being a basic Uchiha, but because of the secret to the uchiha's bodies which allowed hashirama's cells to be fully integrated within him. SHisui was able to fuse with hashirama's cells as well... as an experiment of Oro's as one of the sixty kids in which yamato was known to survive... or as danzou's right hand man, danzou had Oro implant shisui with hashirama's cells in order to create a more powerful being to be used as his tool then eye power taken, then thrown away as a person... but still lives.. ahahahaaaa!

Got off topic again... ANyways, I do not think shisui had just any kind of powerful chakra like that of just senu or uzumaki.. no, if hashirama is so unique with a power of both the senju and uzumaki... and uchiha shisui's chakra is the exact same color and power to be able to use Kotoamatsukami as well as awaken it... I think its highly likely that shisui simply had hashirama's chakra, not some other powerful chakra...

Pretty much, yea... agreed!

:SHisui's Kotoamatsukami can only be used properly with hashirama's chakra, not any other... it would take a decade with those... as explained by itachi himself.

:Shisui's chakra was mistaken for hashirama's in danzou's right arm and shoulder... while danzou was using hashirama's chakra to power shisui's Koto eye, as itachi said it is supposed ot be used...

:hashirama's chakra is shown to take the power of the SG to another level beyond what even an Uchiha can do with it...

:With uchiha like madara, izuna, itachi and sasuke being basic uchiha with basic uchiha chakra which awakened amaterasu, tsukuyomi and even sasanoo... but shisui awakened Kotoamatsukami which far surpasses tsukuyomi, thus a doujutsu exceeding what a basic uchiha can do which has only been shown to be done with hashirama's chakra...

Somehow, someway, shisui had (or has) Hashirama's chakra which is how he was able to awaken, create and properly use Kotoamatsukami... and could even be why shisui had such quick shushin no jutsu... (pure speculation) Imagine sasuke and itachi as uchiha's have extremely fast reflexes which is why they move so fast... (sasuke can move faster then the raikage in basic raiton armour mode, just not super mode)... but with the power of hashirama's to power their shushins and reflexes... just imagine how much faster they would have been, as uchiha shisui must have been...

Just look at naruto... by using a chakra just like hashirama's, the kyuubis yang chakra that reacts with hashirama's mokuton thus validating my statement. A power that increases anything even ninjutsu, genjutsu giving them more life, thus power... He is able to match if not surpass the Raikage super mode speed... and he is slow as piss without the yang chakra of the kyuubi... however, as an uchiha, even without hashirama's chakra, shisui should of been fast like itachi and sasuke with such quick reflexes...
Just imagine... shisui could have likely been even faster then the raikage in super mode if he really did have hashirama's chakra to power his shushin, thus his nickname "shisui of the shushin"

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

tien

KYF, i agreee with most of that except about sasuke being faster than Raikage. That fight was pure plot protection. Goes back to what rock leee said, what good is sharingan if it cannot keep up with the speed of an opponent.