kluang

Biggest Plothole of Tobi= Obito

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v54/c509/4.html

Nagato is much older than Obito

Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.

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ACt

EoJ: A) All my point was that for you to make this work, you need to use insane scenarios and powers that Obito didn't have or have someone equally powerful to be present at the time of or very close to Obito's death. You are trying to tell me Madara was laying in wait for Obito? (All references to resurrection have always depended upon being shortly after a characters' death.) This really doesn't strike you as terrible writing, does it?

B) Y'know how he unlocked Rinnegan shortly before his death? That was probably at VOTE during his fight with Hashirama, seeing as these eyes always have something to do with stress/combat/bonds. Not proven, but since we like the manga so much and it has said Madara died/weakened after that fight, I can't imagine how we should suppose he survived especially given his edo form.

C) That line by Madara doesn't name anyone. Is it Tobi? Someone controlling Tobi (the whole Orochimaru knowing who's behind it thing)? Or is Kabuto and Madara actually referring to Orochimaru? I mean, Kabuto was Orochimaru's assistant and Tobi's partner. We don't know. It's essentially a "THAT jutsu" line. Probably he means Tobi, but again, I don't think the lives line up just yet.

D) And yeah... I'm trolling you a little bit. Because the writing IS terrible no matter what explanation you come up with.

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Emissary of Justice

Dude, that's like half of all popular manga situations.

Specifically? No. A young, impressionable Uchiha that was left for dead? Why not? Madara was old, going to die soon enough, and had a super master plan that wasn't even 1/8th of completed. That kind of situation requires an apprentice.

It's not terrible writing when Kishi's demonstrated how something like this could be pulled off before the reveal was done: Every 12 year old in Konoha capable of using ninjutsu had to learn the transformation jutsu, Zetsu being able to duplicate people, the technique only ending at his command, using his clones to fake deaths, showing Tobi had a Zetsu body, Madara not dying at the Valley of the End as previously thought and living an absurdly long life, Tobi and Kakashi having similar MS abilities, Shisui having double of the same ability, demonstrating the Rinnegan's powers, Madara revealing he unlocked the Rinnegan before he died, Zetsu still calling him Tobi after the Madara claim even when alone, Kishi undercutting the idea Tobi was Madara on covers, etc.

Terrible writing would be Tobi not wearing a mask, having the face of Madara, running around with his EMS pattern, not revealing any of the above minus the Rinnegan demonstration, and then Kishi treating us to these past several chapters with 600 revealing everything listed above.

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Fuck it. I'm done with you.

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Numinous

... and you don't know what terrible writing is. You can place all the hints to fit and still be a piss poor writer about it.

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ACt

Hilarious.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Although I cannot stand the Idea of obito being tobi... I am sure that obito was referring to himself as madara, when giving nagato the RG... as in it was madara who gave nagato the RG, not him... The same way he claimed nagato was supposed to revive him with rinne tensai... but it was actually madara, not him....

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Emissary of Justice

I don't know what terrible writing is? Oh, it is on.

Hulk by Jeph Loeb
Justice League by Geoff Johns
Justice League of America by Dwayne McDuffie (Good writer, heavy editoral interference)
Incredible Hulk by Jason Aaron
Batman: The Dark Knight by David Fitch and Paul Jenkins
The Mighty Thor by Matt Fraction
Static Shock by Scott McDaniel
Teen Titans by Scott Lobdell
Justice League: Cry for Justice by James Robinson
The Sentry: Fallen Sun by Paul Jenkins
The Rise of Arsenal by J.T. Krul
Bleach by Tite Kubo

Kishi isn't a great writer, but I've loved the way he's handled Tobi. People are just pissed because it's not what they wanted.

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Numinous

What a futile attempt to make yourself look like you know what you're talking about, but utterly failing at it.

Hey, anyone can go to Wikipedia and pick up the list of the most ill-received comics and pretend they know what bad writing is. And even at that you failed, where the hell is Spiderman's One More Day by Joe Quesada, the series that made a whole lot of comic fans to just give up reading Spiderman for good and make others writhe in agony?

Also, pretty much every example you tossed are continuity fuck ups and only Bleach appears as a manga. Well, if you want both, try the Yu-Gi-Oh 5D manga or the Final Fantasy XII manga, both of which have easy-to-follow plots in the originals but they fuck them sideways. Also, if Bleach has to be include, at least have the decency of putting Part II Naruto along with it, since the crappiness is pretty much the same.

Oh yeah, you must love overcooked mysteries with horrendous payoffs to say that.

Which was good writing. Thanks for proving my point.

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