Naruto_600 - Page 23

ACt · 09-08-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

^4,000+ of those thanks are from me though, haha.

Isn't my fault you have a poor strategy regarding Thanks count.

I'm certain I've given you... maybe 500-600.

Numinous · 09-08-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

You forgot two.....

1). FICTION

2). REALITY!!!!!

So reality is fiction? Or you're so distracted by bullshit you can't link things properly? I'll be nice and explain why I said what I said:

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Also, because the Uzumaki and senju are so different... I still do not understand how they could be brother clans, both directly coming from the younger so of the sage...

It's all about genetic drift, the more separated one individual is to another, the more different they are. Brothers are more similar than cousins, and cousins are more similar than cousins once removed, and so on, so on. The Senju and Uzumaki have at least 16 generations between them (up to a logistical maximum of 150 generations). That's between 400 and 3500 years, by the way. That allows for a lot of genetic drift between a Senju and an Uzumaki of the same generation, justifying how they're so different.

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Tobito said that the senju and uchiha are the two direct descendants of the sage's two sons... Then I guess the Uzumaki could be a direct descendants of the sage himself... as his actual clan...

No. If that was the case, Kushina would say the Senju and Uchiha descend from the Uzumaki, which she didn't. What she said is that Senju and Uzumaki are distantly related clan, meaning they have a common ancestor, being the most recent known ancestor the Second Son. So, as the Second Son isn't Senju or Uzumaki, the RS isn't either Senju, Uzumaki or Uchiha.

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What is the possibility that the Uzumaki were an ancient clan that worshiped the juubi as a god and thus were granted some of it's power... That could explain how the uzumaki clan are related to the senju... they are both clans that have some the juubi's powers passed down through their bloodlines...

Disregarding the ridiculous argument from ignorance (Juubi worship? Where the fuck did you pulled that from?), that would apply also to the Uchiha, considering they have inherited part of the Juubi's doujutsu, so that's really moot.

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I know it is far fetched, but if the uzumaki are not a direct descendant of the younger son too (because thier should only be one)...

So you don't believe there's such a thing as brothers? Because that's exactly what you said. See, individuals of a population do not share the same path of evolution, so you can have multiple populations descended from an ancestral one because its individuals evolved in different ways.

That's why I said to consider genealogy and evolution, because they explain things very well without having the need to invent some unknown Juubi religion.

Shima0080 · 09-08-2012, 01:09 PM

Im so sick of this, Naruto needs to end Things have been drawn out to much i dont care about rhyme or reason. I want thing to wrap up. I know the end is near.

This Manga definitely suffers from running on to long and losing its way. i reread some of part 1 reminds me of why i picked this up. Part 2 is about random quick power up after powerups.

Orochimaru i used to hate him, but with recent events and his return was refreshing, even though how he came back was stupid in my opinion.

I think for alot of us that Naruto Part 1 had alot of potential , but with Part 2 didn't live up to it or go far enough or deep enough into being a ninja, instead we got Dragon Ball Buu saga/GT more super saiyns(in this case Uchiha) and getting powers ups left and right.

This maybe how i treat Darker than Black i liked the first season but i hated the second , and as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.

Never would have thought the sharingan would be this OP

scapegoat_tobi · 09-08-2012, 02:00 PM

ive been reading this forum since the pein arc. just one thing why do people keep bashing on kyf? do you remember true uchiha? i wanna know that guy's history .
on topic kakashi let rin die i think madar lives on the kamui dimension and sucked up rin some time ago and ther should be a flashback next time on how did they unlock both thier ms. and showing rin died in dimension..

sorry for grammar not my native language.

stubborn_d0nkey · 09-08-2012, 03:05 PM

You have no right to mention him.

ninjalostboy95 · 09-08-2012, 04:08 PM

True Uchiha was a funny guy. All you need to know.

UzumakiUchiha · 09-08-2012, 05:18 PM

Disregarding the plot holes, I don't understand something. Some people here saying how was obito able to fight yondaime at an young age. Simple trained under madara and got strong in 2 years and unlocked mangekou shortly after when he found out that rin died. He was similar to naruto in terms of weakness; naruto got strong in a short period of time. Sasuke, itachi, shisui unlocked mangekou quite an young age.

Although obito fought yondaime, he got his ass kicked, even while the 4th had to deal with kyuubi, safety of kushina and naruto. Tobi/obito was simply a pussy, with all that plan, he still failed. The only thing he had was the mangekou, which is an big advantage against any opponent and he never showed any other techniques other than his kamui and controlling kyuubi, which I beleive he used a another sharingan. So, apart from the plot holes, in terms of his characterization, it ky make sense all this time it was obito.

In the end, obito;s best weapon was manipulating and lying, nagato, sasuke, itachi, fooling everyone.

kael03 · 09-08-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UzumakiUchiha

Simple trained under madara and got strong in 2 years

It wasn't 2 years, it was less than 1 year. Simple math shows that Kakashi/Rin/Obito were 14 during the time of the Kyuubi attack:

Kyuubi attack was 12 years before the start of the series as Naruto was 12 at the start of the series

Kakashi was 26 at the start of the series.

26 - 12 = 14 years old when the Kyuubi/Tobi attacked.

Kakashi was 13 when he was promoted to Jounin rank.

14 - 13 = 1 year, at most, between promotion/Obito's "death" and Tobi/Kyuubi attack.

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and unlocked mangekou shortly after when he found out that rin died.

How do you know when he unlocked the Mangekyo? How do you know when Rin died? When did Rin die? We didn't get confirmation that Rin died until Kakashi died during the Pain invasion, 15-16 years after Obito was crushed.

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He was similar to naruto in terms of weakness; naruto got strong in a short period of time.

Um...Naruto was always strong. Between his own vast chakra store and the kyuubi's chakra, Naruto's been near God level since the day of his birth. His skills, however, sucked (and still do). He didn't have proper training to hone his vast strength into the variety of ninja skills that would come with that strength.

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Sasuke, itachi, shisui unlocked mangekou quite an young age.

Irrelevant since we don't know when Obito woke his Mangekyo.

UzumakiUchiha · 09-08-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

It wasn't 2 years, it was less than 1 year. Simple math shows that Kakashi/Rin/Obito were 14 during the time of the Kyuubi attack:

Kyuubi attack was 12 years before the start of the series as Naruto was 12 at the start of the series

Kakashi was 26 at the start of the series.

26 - 12 = 14 years old when the Kyuubi/Tobi attacked.

Kakashi was 13 when he was promoted to Jounin rank.

14 - 13 = 1 year, at most, between promotion/Obito's "death" and Tobi/Kyuubi attack.

not disagreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by kael03

How do you know when he unlocked the Mangekyo? How do you know when Rin died? When did Rin die? We didn't get confirmation that Rin died until Kakashi died during the Pain invasion, 15-16 years after Obito was crushed.

I am just trying to make possible outcome. Don't know exactly when he unlocked he mangekou, But since obito said he's doing all this because kakashi let rin die. From then it can be said he gained the mangekou, as someone close needs to die. Since, tobi/obito had his mangekou ability of kamui during kyuubi attack, assumption can be made that rin died before the attack.

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Originally Posted by kael03

Um...Naruto was always strong. Between his own vast chakra store and the kyuubi's chakra, Naruto's been near God level since the day of his birth. His skills, however, sucked (and still do). He didn't have proper training to hone his vast strength into the variety of ninja skills that would come with that strength.

Same thing can be said for obito since he had the sharingan. Also we don't know much about him as he was only shown in kakashi gaiden. So I wouldn't judge his ability because he was shown to be quite weak in an small side story. We know naruto's strong because that was revealed slowly as time progressed since the beginning. Imagine we knew naruto only shown in a side story as the first 10 episodes, and appeared after 10 years, no one would have thought he was always strong.

and tobi/obito never shown any skills apart from kamui and kyuubi control (hoping for a reasonable explanation later in the manga). It can be said he knew knowledge kyuubi and seal weakness maybe from zetsu or madara some how.

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Originally Posted by kael03

Irrelevant since we don't know when Obito woke his Mangekyo.

I know, I am just trying to make the point that having mangekou of that age isn't an issue. Anyways, in my opinion, tobi was never shown to be strong through out the manga, just pussing out with his kamui, rinengan and using people to fight for him.

Shrike · 09-08-2012, 08:05 PM

I'd destroy the world for that ass too man.

Krohnie84 · 09-08-2012, 08:20 PM

Could this Obito deal be a "Dread Pirate Roberts" direction? Mandara would have been damn old when he was against the 4th. Finds Obito (dont ask me how) and "helped" him get stronger then dies?

jekyl_hyde · 09-08-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Krohnie84

Could this Obito deal be a "Dread Pirate Roberts" direction? Mandara would have been damn old when he was against the 4th. Finds Obito (dont ask me how) and "helped" him get stronger then dies?

No... just no.

Could everyone please drop the Dread Pirate Roberts-thing.... at least in perspective to Tobi vs. Minato?

Tobi used Kamui then. Obito uses Kamui.

Now I wouldn't put it past Kishi, especially now that it seems like a 12 year old is editing what was once one of the best stories that is mass published... for Madara to have more a plethora of jutsus from the damn MS, but seeing how he stated earlier in I think the 1st or 2nd databook about how this eye does Tsukuyomi, and this eye does Amerterasu, and then their powers combine to do Susanoo.... it's utter bullshit.

Thank God that American football has started.

Krohnie84 · 09-09-2012, 03:48 AM

i knew someone wouldnt want to hear more crap about roberts! Good times, unlike the story that has never ending issues. Although, what can you do when you know all the main chars? Oh yea......... write a good story.

ckraizitee · 09-09-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ACt

OK, I'll bite. What is it you think you're missing?

Hook, line and, sinker.

ckraizitee · 09-09-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

calm down there buddy... I understand where you are coming from, but you are ignoring the fact nowhere else on his body has a single mark and it was crushed too... the only place on him there is any trauma is his face on the side his kamui eye is and it warps time and space with the eye itself as the door way which is on the face... why is that???
I think it is clearly kamui that has caused the skin damage to his face... and the marks below his eye line up with the circular patter of kamui's vortex, as does the ones right above his eye brow...

Explain how a boulder made some circular shaped ridges in his face??? It honestly looks like his skin above and below his kamui eye has been pulled closer towards the eye itself which created the ridges in the circular shapes they are... However, the three lines right below his under eye pattern an on his lip too are what look like cuts... they look completely different from the other scars on his face and the straight line scars suggest cuts IMO...

just look yourself...

Just saying,if it either one, how does that change anything in the story.

09-08-2012, 01:09 PM	#333
Shima0080 Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 27 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 Im so sick of this, Naruto needs to end Things have been drawn out to much i dont care about rhyme or reason. I want thing to wrap up. I know the end is near. This Manga definitely suffers from running on to long and losing its way. i reread some of part 1 reminds me of why i picked this up. Part 2 is about random quick power up after powerups. Orochimaru i used to hate him, but with recent events and his return was refreshing, even though how he came back was stupid in my opinion. I think for alot of us that Naruto Part 1 had alot of potential , but with Part 2 didn't live up to it or go far enough or deep enough into being a ninja, instead we got Dragon Ball Buu saga/GT more super saiyns(in this case Uchiha) and getting powers ups left and right. This maybe how i treat Darker than Black i liked the first season but i hated the second , and as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. Never would have thought the sharingan would be this OP Last edited by Shima0080; 09-08-2012 at 01:10 PM.

09-08-2012, 02:00 PM	#334
scapegoat_tobi Academy Student Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 ive been reading this forum since the pein arc. just one thing why do people keep bashing on kyf? do you remember true uchiha? i wanna know that guy's history . on topic kakashi let rin die i think madar lives on the kamui dimension and sucked up rin some time ago and ther should be a flashback next time on how did they unlock both thier ms. and showing rin died in dimension.. sorry for grammar not my native language.

09-08-2012, 04:08 PM	#336
ninjalostboy95 Osu! = the best game ever Join Date: May 2010 Location: NY, Far Rockaway(currently) Age: 17 Posts: 5,772 Thanks: 8,239 Thanked 4,587 Times in 2,795 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 True Uchiha was a funny guy. All you need to know.

09-08-2012, 05:18 PM	#337
UzumakiUchiha Genin Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 249 Thanks: 725 Thanked 150 Times in 97 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 Disregarding the plot holes, I don't understand something. Some people here saying how was obito able to fight yondaime at an young age. Simple trained under madara and got strong in 2 years and unlocked mangekou shortly after when he found out that rin died. He was similar to naruto in terms of weakness; naruto got strong in a short period of time. Sasuke, itachi, shisui unlocked mangekou quite an young age. Although obito fought yondaime, he got his ass kicked, even while the 4th had to deal with kyuubi, safety of kushina and naruto. Tobi/obito was simply a pussy, with all that plan, he still failed. The only thing he had was the mangekou, which is an big advantage against any opponent and he never showed any other techniques other than his kamui and controlling kyuubi, which I beleive he used a another sharingan. So, apart from the plot holes, in terms of his characterization, it ky make sense all this time it was obito. In the end, obito;s best weapon was manipulating and lying, nagato, sasuke, itachi, fooling everyone. Last edited by UzumakiUchiha; 09-08-2012 at 05:22 PM.

09-08-2012, 08:05 PM	#340
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,164 Thanks: 7,887 Thanked 9,883 Times in 2,951 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 I'd destroy the world for that ass too man.

09-08-2012, 08:20 PM	#341
Krohnie84 Jounin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minnesota Age: 29 Posts: 945 Thanks: 197 Thanked 217 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 Could this Obito deal be a "Dread Pirate Roberts" direction? Mandara would have been damn old when he was against the 4th. Finds Obito (dont ask me how) and "helped" him get stronger then dies? __________________ "Never go back on your word... and never give up, no matter how bad it gets. That's your Ninja way." Jiraiya Ero-Sennin.

09-09-2012, 03:48 AM	#343
Krohnie84 Jounin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minnesota Age: 29 Posts: 945 Thanks: 197 Thanked 217 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 i knew someone wouldnt want to hear more crap about roberts! Good times, unlike the story that has never ending issues. Although, what can you do when you know all the main chars? Oh yea......... write a good story. __________________ "Never go back on your word... and never give up, no matter how bad it gets. That's your Ninja way." Jiraiya Ero-Sennin.

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