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Old 09-10-2012, 01:57 PM   #16
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Cool Denial Bro....

Timeline shat on your counter argument and that is all you give me... Why are I not surprised...

WHat is next??? "You just stupid..."Your a retard".... AKA... "I am going to project my inadequacies on to you because I cannot handle the anxiety of them being my..." SPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP *thumbs down*
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:12 PM   #18
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Hummm.. what's the use of hypothesizing there's a third person pulling the strings and controlling Kamui's dimension if Kishi's being obvious as fuck by making Tobi=Obito? I don't know what's worse, pulling arguments from ignorance from every direction or expecting Kishi to be willing to give a damn about not being so annoyingly blatant.

Seriously, Tobi is Obito and he's angsty because he didn't get Rin's pussy. There's nothing to theorize anymore about this manga that's worth more than donkey balls.
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:33 PM   #20
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How much time passed between him warping them away and the next opportunity to put an illusion on them? How much time passed since those events to the part where he says he put an illusion on them?

You don't really have to answer the above, they were an intro to:

Dont you think his statement wouldn't be fallacious even if he didn't immediately put them in an illusion when he warped them and did it at the next opportunity?
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Hey, num, I'm offended.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:14 PM   #22
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Seriously, Tobi is Obito and he's angsty because he didn't get Rin's pussy. There's nothing to theorize anymore about this manga that's worth more than donkey balls.
Doesnt really add up. Obito said its because of Rin and its pointless to blame htis reality and he is not interested in this world. We were also told he wanted to take revenge on konoha and the uchiha which lead to him helping during the uchiha massacre. Very conflicting.
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Doesnt really add up. Obito said its because of Rin and its pointless to blame htis reality and he is not interested in this world. We were also told he wanted to take revenge on konoha and the uchiha which lead to him helping during the uchiha massacre. Very conflicting.
Good luck getting Kishi to explain that. You'll need it.
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Yea you may be right. Im prepared for Kishi to pull a Lost. Tons of things unanswered and not explained. You are just suppose to accept it and enjoy it for what it is while everything is open to debate.
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Yea you may be right. Im prepared for Kishi to pull a Lost. Tons of things unanswered and not explained. You are just suppose to accept it and enjoy it for what it is while everything is open to debate.
... and you didn't get what I said. Nothing is open to debate because there's no debate to be had to begin with. Or, more accurately, debate that's worth a damn. Kishi simply took a shit on the continuity of the plot, it makes no sense to guess anything.

Also... enjoy? Hah!
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hummm.. What's the use of hypothesizing there's a third person pulling the strings and controlling kamui's dimension if kishi's being obvious as fuck by making tobi=obito? I don't know what's worse, pulling arguments from ignorance from every direction or expecting kishi to be willing to give a damn about not being so annoyingly blatant.

Seriously, tobi is obito and he's angsty because he didn't get rin's pussy. There's nothing to theorize anymore about this manga that's worth more than donkey balls.
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... and you didn't get what I said. Nothing is open to debate because there's no debate to be had to begin with. Or, more accurately, debate that's worth a damn. Kishi simply took a shit on the continuity of the plot, it makes no sense to guess anything.

Also... enjoy? Hah!
Its true, making theories make no sense anymore since peoples theories will have a twist and kishi seems to be going with the simplest, shortest to explain storyline(making sense is not relevant).

Making tobi a character we dont know will make him create a new backstory and a whole new world will be open, a fun world.
^Kishi will have non of that.
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How much time passed between him warping them away and the next opportunity to put an illusion on them? How much time passed since those events to the part where he says he put an illusion on them?

You don't really have to answer the above, they were an intro to:

Dont you think his statement wouldn't be fallacious even if he didn't immediately put them in an illusion when he warped them and did it at the next opportunity?
Tobi claimed to of put fuu and torune in an illusion the moment he captured them as well as tie up their hands too...

However, going by the timeline, tobi could not of put them in a genjutsu and tied them up right after he captured them... he went directly to free karin and sasuke from his dimension, then watched the danzou vs sasuke fight, then took danzou's body then had the opportunity to put them in a genjutsu, but that is like an hour later so he was either lying or someone else did it for him...

here is the timeline...

The start of their battle is here...
[IMG][/IMG]

WHere gaara and naruto leave off...
[IMG][/IMG]

No time passed in the fight, it just continued...
Where the battle continues...
[IMG][/IMG]

WHere the battle with fuu and torune end after they are sucked up...
[IMG][/IMG]

Page after this^^^^
WHere Gaara and naruto continue, no time has passed between them just a chapter for us....
[IMG][/IMG]

Then right after naruto and gaara's thing...
Tobi's fight with danzou continues, with no time passing for them, just us, which is why he could not of done anything with fuu and torune after he sucked them up...
Shown here (limit of six pics per post so I have to use a link..)
http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/475/15


See, no time is passing between the battle with tobi and the convo with naruto... they are going on at the exact same time which is why when one switches to the other, the other stops and the other continues...


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Its true, making theories make no sense anymore since peoples theories will have a twist and kishi seems to be going with the simplest, shortest to explain storyline(making sense is not relevant).

Making tobi a character we dont know will make him create a new backstory and a whole new world will be open, a fun world.
^Kishi will have non of that.
IMO, at this point, I think madara had a plan for obito's body....

Why would madara or zetsu revive obito's body and only the body?? And how could madara be revived with rinne tensai when his body would be bones by then...
IMO, obito's body was grown and meant to be madara's new vessel... without obito's soul in the body it runs off of pure instinct, no emotions, to achieve it's goal... it's most primal instinct... Protect... Protect rin...
Obito being nothing, but instinct is the very reason he does not blame kakashi for rin's death... because obito has no emotions, thus not anger, pride, love.... ect... Just the instinct to protect...

And I would bet tobi thinks he has no identity because he is not a SOMEONE, but a something instead without a soul... In fact, I would not be surprised if obito intends to take away everyone's souls leaving them to live as soulless puppets with the power of the juubi's RG+SG power... Without souls they would have no emotions, no individuality, nothing except except instincts to guide them to just live...

Also, This is why tobi actually said he was supposed to be revived with rinne tensai... It is because tobi was supposed to be madara eventually once he was revived by nagato... so he lived as madara, but as time went on I think tobi's instinct began to develop it's own goals and no longer desired to surrender itself to madara... because it would conflict with his own desire to protect rin...

IDK, perhaps the tobito body wishes to revive Rin and cast infinite tsukuyomi to rid the world of war and conflict to keep her from being killed again... It is all for her, not madara...
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I think you mix up between orochimaru and madara
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Re: Tobi is obito's memories and instincts
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I think you mix up between orochimaru and madara
How else was madara supposed to be revived (madara's own body should be bones by now) and why would he create a uchiha body with no soul to carry on as him too???
Madara must have meant to be revived in obito's body by nagato, but not only did kabuto mess that up. But, I think obito never wanted to go along with the plan if all he wants is to protect rin by altering reality...

If Tobi is just obito's body without obito's soul then it is running off of pure instinct and no emotions... And by being a zetsu grown body... it could not only have the power of hashirama and zetsu... but their memories as well which could explain how he knows so much about everything...
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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
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so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

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