Gamabunta

Shouldn't have address the crowd who dismisses obito's motive or any of this manga crap if all you gonna do is cry louder than the bitch you met in the club...

ninjalostboy95

Not worth my time to even edit my ignore list. I'm just saying that if you read it from POV, you do sound mad and basically saying "waaaahhhhh waaaahh fuck off you little shit ='(

Tmoore

obito is gay, and madara seems to like it as well, sasuke is doomed

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Numinous

Saying it was opinion or that you were just making a guess doesn't exactly excuse the foundations of such opinion/guess, since opinion/guesses can be wrong. That's what some people don't seem to get.

And you are making stuff up, you're not thinking outside the box. Thinking outside the box is using what's available and doing something new with it or giving it a new perspective instead of what's usual. That's not what you did, you simply grabbed an unknown and sticked with it. And I'm not rigid and stuck inside the box, I'm simply skeptical and a follower of logic, thus when I'm asking for the panels indicating such theory, I'm not being stubborn, I'm simply making you see the utter weakness of your argument.

Hum, no, that'd be a prediction/foreshadowing. Prophecy is defined as the revelation of the future made by a prophet and that is transmitted orally or in writing. Minato is neither a prophet or was his "revelation" transmitted orally or in writing. Now on the other hand:

So you understand how prophecies work, but you don't get the difference between a prophecy and a prediction/foreshadowing? Fishy.

No, I won't, because that's not even relevant to the point.

Because there's already one involving him (Child of Prophecy) and didn't specify who was the target and there's no indication of a second prophecy. Thus, far-fetched.

"Hey guys, I prefer to make a positive claim I can't back up properly and I might be wrong about it rather than waiting for a proper explanation, if there's one, and acknowledge my ignorance on the matter!"

Really?

It's called humility and common sense. If I don't know nor do I have enough data to make valid assumption, I don't make any assumptions. You should try it sometime instead of accusing others of not being very imaginative when it couldn't be further from the truth, because being imaginative =/= being adept of using improper logic.

@ bold: Errrrgh, that's not what I said at all. When you present an argument, you can't simply ignore its properties. It's not making stuff up that is the saving face act here, it's denying the full extent of forming an argument.

By the way, "boi" is a derogative term in my native language. I know you definitely didn't meant it, it's just a pet peeve of mine of some people misspelling boy.

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Why did you write "Stubborn Donkey"?

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k-lai

He seems to see u as a haven of jokes, imo...

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Kakkakuzu

Wouldn't say I enjoy it more, but it hasn't had a negative effect either. I've been gradually losing interest in the manga for years now, but still kept checking it every week and this actually got me more interested in the manga again.

I don't know if it was just because I came back here when I started to suspect this revelation was coming to see the reactions on the forum to amuse myself, which led to reading some of the old chapters (because people kept posting links to old chapters, pointing out the plot holes etc., so I thought I might as well read the whole manga from the beginning again), or if it was the actual revelation that got me more interested... and I don't even think it matters much. I'm sure my interest in the manga will again gradually decrease after checking here for peoples reactions no longer amuses me at all.

I don't mean to say I'm looking down on you guys, in fact I'm often quite intimidated by the intelligence shown by some posters here. It wasn't like this before if my memory serves me. I think most posters couldn't even form a sentence here 4 or 5 years ago, which was one of the reasons I stopped coming here. It's just that other people getting annoyed or angry at things often amuses me... which is also why I love my job, I guess. Not one single worker seems to be happy there.

Does that make sense? I don't feel like it does, but perhaps I'm just too tired or had too much wine... or both. Feels like I was just rambling.

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Myth

Lol you people are whinning over a fucking fairy tale its a manga its not that serious. The plot sucks we get it every week the same clowns come in and talk about how this doesn't make sense and how that is a plot hole.

We get it, it doesn't make sense now stfu and post about something else that's actually related to the topic. Whinning and complaining isn't going to change kishimoto's flow of the story when it's good it's good an when it's bad it's pathetic, deal with it

Back on topic;

I hope this flashback isn't to long.

stubborn_d0nkey

Dont whine about the flashback

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UzumakiUchiha

Are you serious? I think this flash back is the best thing that happened since hmm...don't know. To give the plot some justice, this should be the longest flashback ever in history of a manga to present all the answers we are looking for, to remove as much as plot holes even if it needs to squeeze through a nipple to make some sense.

Freakout

I'm confused now, since when is Madara striving for peace and love? Wasn't that Izunas determination? Looking at it right now Madara started out a war-monster, had at some point an enlightenment but choose the wrong way. Seems somehow familiar and is boooooooooooooooooooooooooring, I sort of hoped Madara would be the evil impersonated but then again this would be to stereotype to have characters throughout evil from the start. From what I could tell Kishi didn't have too much of a problem with stereotypes although this way seems also not so enjoyable...

Anyway, was still a nice read with some background information.

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minato uchiha

1. Lol, when did I ever say my opinion was a fact? That particular part of the conservation was you saying it was a case of mere semantics, and I disagreed. Now your changing it to opinions and its validity.

2. In this whole conversation, you have accused me of making up that Nagato was prophesied to have the rinnegan. Even though, all I said was its possible he could have being. The word possible seems to have escaped you, so like a fundamentalist, you're gonna keep saying, I'm made shit up.

If you are a follower of logic, then you would never have accused me of making shit up. A follower of logic does not need to be told or shown a scan, to hazard a GUESS, of what's being happening. That's what I did. That's all I did. I asked myself why would Madara give the most powerful dojutsu to a random Uzamaki. I lamented on their connection and THEORIZED that maybe Nagato was prophesied. Lol, and for that you wanna crucify me, telling me I'm making shit up and I'm not using logic.

Logic stipulates, that its adherents think outside the box. That they think about every possible scenario, and analyse it. That's all I was ATTEMPTING to do, and never pretended otherwise.

3. Lmao, this parts the funniest. True, Minato is not a prophet so to your 'logic', he cannot and did not make no prophecy, when he sacrificed himself for his son. Am I right? Cool.

But the thing is though, when Minato said all that, he was REPEATING a prophecy, told to him by his sensei. Or didn't you realise that?

Jirayai is told a prophecy about the child of destiny, who he would train. He trains 2 fine shinobi's, Nagato and Minato, believing at some stage, both to be that child. He tells Minato the prophecy, Minato on instincts, when he defeated Tobi, believed he was the danger, Jirayai spoke of. He believed in the prophecy and was willing to give his life for it.

At that stage he couldn't possibly know if Tobi was the harbinger. And so it came to be that his belief that his son is that child of destiny, will come true. Not bad for a non prophet. Lol, and are you so rigid in your thinking, that only prophets can make prophesies? So if a non prophet says something that comes to pass, its not a prophecy?
Lol, nah mate, fuck that dogmatic thinking.

4. There's an extremely fine line between prophecy and foreshadowing, especially in this case. Really suspect, that you dont see it. Lol

5. The manga is awash with prophecies, why are you acting like there's only one? The Sage himself, prophesied about what will happen after his death. Naruto fighting Sasuke or the child with powerful eyes, is the latest one. That's 3, and from those 3, spawns other prophecies/ foreshadowing, whatever you wanna call it, in the manga.

When Itachi gave Naruto Shisui's eye, you can easily see it as a prophecy, because he believed Naruto was the one, and that belief is gonna come true. Nagato believing in Naruto is another prophecy that will come true. You OBVIOUSLY cannot see that, so all that I've just written, is utter hokum to you aint it? To you, its me misunderstanding the differences between foreshadowing, plot and predictions. Lol

6. Lol why do you want us to wait till Kishi reveals everything? Why man why? I don't get it. Each of us are taking time in our lives, coming on this forum discussing Naruto. Yet Num wants us to solely discuss what we have being shown, and how dare anyone think of what MIGHT be going on. Oh no, don't do that. You do that, you're making shit up. Simple. Lool

7. You call it humility and common sense, I call it boring. I call it tiresome. What is the point, of just discussing what we already know? Why do just that when you can also contemplate, debate and analyse at the same time?

But its cool bro, I hope that's not offensive in Portugal. Lol, you know I got mad respect for you, even though we disagree. As for the others, oh the others. Bunch of fucking idiots, the lot of them. Still none of them have said something that gets the heart beating shaking. Not even a flutter, and frankly, I'm disappointed. I thought you lot were more vicious than this! Kmt

AOTKorby

"It's just an opinion" does not mean "I can say whatever the fuck I want and no one has a right to question it".

Speaking in absolutes is a great way to make yourself look like a dumb shithead, but thinking that taking an ambiguous stance on everything means you can never be wrong is also rather stupid. Anything is "possible," but most things that are "possible" have absolutely no logical basis in happening. Thus, trying to pass them off as an at all likely possibility is fucking stupid. You have absolutely no evidence to support your claim, but you want people to respect it as valid because you said "possible"?

You're making shit up in the arguments you've made to justify your "possible". You did the same sort of thing KYF does. Take question, devise answer, find nothing valid to actually justify answer but refuse to acknowledge it. You have no proof whatsoever to justify "Nagato haz prophecy," so in saying there's hints within the manga (which there aren't) you're essentially pulling stuff out of your ass.

Occam's Razor my friend. The most logical reasoning is the one that requires the fewest baseless assumptions. Your thought process requires a hell of a lot.

Congrats on trying to use really shitty retroactive writing to justify your point. It really doesn't strengthen your argument at all. The only point you're really making with this is that you think SOMEONE, whom we've never heard of and know absolutely nothing about, including his/her existence, must have told Madara, not necessarily as an outright prophet, to give his eyes to some random Uzumaki child as a "prophecy" that Nagato would serve his ends in the future. Which is especially funny given your statements here given that Nagato did just the opposite. So basically, even if you try to say "well MAYBE someone made a prophecy that Nagato would..." you have to confront the fact that Nagato did not do what Madara thought he would.

I'm sorry but this is just plain dumb. Prophecy is within the realm of the story. It's part of the narrative. It's behind the fourth wall. It's not hidden in the slightest. Foreshadowing is author device to drop hints of future events through signals found in the narrative. Example: every single fucking time Naruto and Minato are mentioned in context to each other in part 1 (this is a large ass number) is foreshadowing to the father/son relationship. Kishi is not directly saying anything with such hints, but it's a signal which foreshadows the future relationship that he reveals. Prophecy is Jiraiya (and the audience) being bluntly told that either Nagato or Naruto is the "child of destiny" who will either save the world or destroy it. This is not foreshadowing in any way.

The issue is that there is no prophecy in the narrative thus far which Madara would have any business knowing. So you have to assume that there's one we DON'T know, which is an assumption we have no reason to make.

No. No. Holy shit. No. That's not "prophecy." That's "Itachi plans ridiculously far ahead and was attempting to create a final safety valve to prevent Sasuke from taking the path of evil." "I believe in you" is not prophecy holy fuck. Choosing to believe something will happen is not what prophecy is; prophecy is a character stating future events in the story as unavoidable truth, not "belief".

Because baseless speculation can't really be discussed or reasoned or anything because it has no basis. I mean, if you say "HEY MAYBE MADARA GAVE HIS EYES TO NAGATO DUE TO A PROPHECY" and get a "BUT THERE'S NO PROPHECY SHOWN THAT WOULD TELL HIM TO" and reply with "MAYBE THERE'S ONE WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET"...where the shit do you think the conversation is supposed to go? If you have absolutely nothing to justify your speculative thoughts, there's no way to really involve anybody else in the think-tank because there's no remotely logical reason to share your thoughts.

Because making shit up should be saved for predictions rather than theories.

Protip: Hurling insults at people in retaliation and constantly saying how little you care what they say about you is a great way to look astronomically butthurt.

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1. You are clearly misguided or have some serious reading issues. Where did I say no one has the right to question my opinion?

2. Its like your some sort of spasticated moron that everyone has encountered in their life. I made an assumption on Nagato and that's got you frothing at the mouth, chatting all that bs you just said. You make it sound like I said its possible Hinta was prophesied to be Naruto's wife. Now that would be dumb, something I would except an idiot like you to say. But theorizing that Nagato could be prophesied is hardly as outlandish, to me anyway.

3. What did I make up? Go on, tell me and see how stupid you sound. Unlike Kyf however, dickheads like you aint gonna ridicule me without reply.

4. God will you lot find a new proverb book or something. Its so repetative. Occam Razor this, Occam fuckung Razor that. Its so fucking stupid that you smart allicks think its the answer to everything. Let me enlighten you on something genius. Its so EASY to point out the flaws of a theory, since by nature, a theory is not a fact. So stop acting all high and mighty like you're doing something great here. You idiot.

5. Your post gets dumber the more you read it. I said Nagato could be prophesied. NOWHERE in any of my post did I say how this could have come about, nor did I mention this 'someone' who told Madara the prophecy. Now that's your imagination and limited thinking. Its you making shit up now. Read what I said not your juvenile mind thinks I said.

Listen, the way you write is laughable, you are an illeterate compared to someone like Num, so I'll keep quiet about commenting on my writing abilities.

6. This is where your stupidity is displayed for the world to see. If we go strictly by what the manga says, then all Jiraiya was told was that he would train a student that would destroy the world or bring peace to it. When Minato made his decision, he was prophesizing because Naruto did not fit Jiraiya's prophecies ceiteria. Namely, the child was suppose to be a srudent of Jiraiya's, and infant Naruto was not that was he?

Even though Minato had no idea whether his son could even survive the jinchuriki's process much less be the saviour of the world, he still believed and KNEW he was the one. Now obviously we the readers know what's going and Naruto's destiny, but Minato didn't, you moron. So it was a prophecy.

7. So basically no one should even theorize why Madara would give his eyes away to who it turns out to be, a relation of the hated Senju Clan. We should be like you, and think nothing of it shall we? Well you do that, I won't. Is that ok with you?

8. What Itachi said will come to pass dummy. Same as Nagato's belief in Naruto. Naruto will become the hope and saviour of the whole world and when that happens, anyone who predicted/prophesied/planned w/e, would have seen it come true. Now read that back to me asshole, and lets see if you understand.

9. Nothing to discuss? Are you serious? I said there could be a prophecy and ever since, I've being bombarded for daring to even say so. Its fucking stupid. Just think for a second. Madara must have had a reason to give gis eyes to Nagato in the first place. A: Nagato is related to him somehow. B: Nagato was his creation.
C: the tablet prophesied him for some unknown reason.

Lol, but you and the judges say there's nothing to discuss and even if you label your theory as a theory, you are actually making shit up. You fucking clown.

Yep I'm butthurt, cute American terminology. You are absolute right and you have surely put me in my place. Alas, your post was as pointless as you. I question why you even felt the need to write that shit to me.

I only insult people who insult me. If you've noticed, you prat, I aint insulted Num once because.... yep you guessed it, he hasn't insulted me. You can have a lively, witty and banter filled debate without flaming. But idiots like you(you insulted me first, remember) start something, act disrespectful then are shocked when I respond.

You had it too easy with Kyf, but not me. You say one insult to me, and I'll say 100. The first salvo was crossing the line with an insult, so don't plead, beg or wonder why I've over reacted. That's what you get when you fuck with the new Kyf. Rofl.

k-lai

wow! was all that really necessary minato?

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