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Old 02-07-2007, 01:35 PM   #151
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Re: The badass shinobi Fc

Regarding Naruto's strengths, do you guys think Naruto's overall ability is equal to that of the 4th tailed state or possibly greator?

4th tailed State's full power:
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=23237

Naruto's RasenShuriken:
http://www.saiyanisland.com/online/d...p?file_id=1075
http://www.saiyanisland.com/online/d...p?file_id=1288

Now tell which looks stronger? Yeah the 4th Tailed State form's power probably has a wider effect, but Naruto's new jutsu is wide and it is incrediably deep which means it is stronger on impact. But even if Naruto's jutsu is weaker than the 4th tailed state, to be able to form a creator that large without the demon's chakra is a feat in itself.

Hokage's probably can't manipulate an element with that much force. It is true, Naruto took the wind element to a whole nother level.

Look at this:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25092

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25093

Has Naruto really pushed himself to such a level in which he no longer needs the Kyuubi's chakra to protect Sakura and save Sasuke? With Naruto's powerful new jutsu and his ability to use the shadow clones to fight appropriately in almost any battle situation, has Naruto really surpassed Kakashi? Do you guys think Naruto is ready for Sasuke?

I'd say yes for all of those questions.

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Old 02-07-2007, 03:58 PM   #152
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Re: The badass shinobi Fc

I think he is not ready yet because I think he has not fully relised that he can not use the 9 tails. You can see that through his eyes in this fight that are still the Kyuubi eye's not Naruto's eyes. I think he may be close because with Sakura they were equal to Kakashi combined so I think that once he finishes this jutsu he will surpass him. Although that does not mean I think he would win in a 1 on 1 fight yet.

I think that Naruto will kill Yamato before he was ready for Sasuke. I think in a battle he will let out 4 or 5 tails and accidentally kill the Yamato and really learn that he can't use the Chakara. I think it will be Yamato because he is a crutch to Naruto by suppressing the 9 tails for him and he must learn to do it him self.
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Old 02-07-2007, 04:17 PM   #153
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yeah i think that this move makes naruto about the same strength as 4 tails. Remember that oro said sasuke was stronger than the 3tails. So yeah if it kill kakuzu(which it looks to be true) with one blow then its up there. Oh and the move is 50%, i think, and remember that the 4tails didnt kill oro(which it was broken up) so i now think that naruto will never need kyuubi, unless hes dying.

my prediction is that kyuubi will start to go in 5 tails during the sasuke fight. Then sasuke will help naruto supress the chakra, oh and sasuke will have a S+ fire move and it will meet naruto S+ wind rasengan. This time naruto move will knock out sasuke and they will take him home.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:16 PM   #154
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No matter how high the fire jutsu is, I've never really seen any fire jutsus which actually benefit the battle. The 3rd hokage, Asuma, Sasuke, Itachi, all of them have used pretty high level fire jutsus with low results. They seem to have the same effects as shuriken imo.

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No I don't think Naruto's new Shuriken Rasengan is equal strength to that of the kyuubi's 4th tail released. When the 4th tail is released many people can't even stand next to naruto, this can't be said with the new rasengan. The crater in the ground doesn't really mean much since I remember Neji's technqiue had the similar effect and we all know the result of those. If Naruto wants to fight Sasuke again, he'll have to do it with a dose of the Kyuubi's chakra but with the majority of his own, similar to the Kakuzu fight. The regular Rasengan always had the ability to hit hard, he just added an extra boost combined with his wind element. Honestly, I'm not impressed to say the least.

Naruto is still currently using the Kyuubi's chakra, you can see it in his eyes.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:20 PM   #155
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ya thats true...i can tell by that...but for some reason..he control the kyuubi's chakra better...
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It is closer if not equal because remember that Kakashi could not even keep up with all the hits of the move, and granted he does not have the best eye, but he still is unbelievable fast eye. So it seams like the spin and the blades result in a major combo.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:24 PM   #157
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true but im talking about hand to hand combat...i think sasuke would probably be too fast for naruto with that
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true but im talking about hand to hand combat...i think sasuke would probably be too fast for naruto with that
Not if the Kyuubi jumps in, which he will. Naruto is nothing without the Kyuubi, plus I love seeing him with the red Aura.
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lol true...but thats the one thing that annoys me..naruto being nothing without the kyuubi...
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Yeah he does have speed problems so I think he might learn the 4th seal techniques to get faster. Other wise he will just have to try and overwhelm him and hope he can hit no matter the speed.
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Re: The badass shinobi Fc

I'm sorry but I think I have to dissagree with some of the answers.

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No I don't think Naruto's new Shuriken Rasengan is equal strength to that of the kyuubi's 4th tail released. When the 4th tail is released many people can't even stand next to naruto, this can't be said with the new rasengan. The crater in the ground doesn't really mean much since I remember Neji's technqiue had the similar effect and we all know the result of those. If Naruto wants to fight Sasuke again, he'll have to do it with a dose of the Kyuubi's chakra but with the majority of his own, similar to the Kakuzu fight. The regular Rasengan always had the ability to hit hard, he just added an extra boost combined with his wind element. Honestly, I'm not impressed to say the least.
Probably not equal power, but the creator Naruto created with the Rasen Shuriken is comparable to the blast the 4th tailed state unleashed.
The reason why people could not stand next to the 4th tailed state was because the Kyuubi's chakra is really like poison, the chakra burns the air.

Naruto's jutsu is probably on that same level but since normal chakra does not burn, it is okay to be a little close, but not too close. When Releasing the Rasen Shuriken, Yamato warned Team 10 not to get close because it is dangerous. Also you have to remember that Naruto's jutsu is refined and it is more concentrated than that 4th tailed state's blast.

The creator does infact mean something, the fact that Naruto looked no bigger than an avearge bolder means something. Neji hole has nothing on this thing. Neji's hole was like 3 feet deep probably less and the reason why is because he turns his chakra into a shield and it becomes hard so he rotates it and it breaks the earth.

Apprantly you can't even compare Naruto's creator to that ditch. Neji's whirl or rotation is not really strong, it just repel's the enemy's jutsu back at em.

Are you even sure Naruto used the Kyuubi's chakra? To me it seemed as though Naruto was compressing it, remember Yamato told Naruto that if he sees him use the Kyuubi's chakra, he would supress it completely.

I think Naruto was just keeping the Kyuubi's chakra in check and so if it slipped out accidenlty, he would only draw out the amount of chakra limited and expressed in his eyes.

I think the demon like eyes is one way Naruto keeps the Kyuubi's chakra in check.

Rasengan was form manipulation taken to the highest level, when Naruto added nature manipulation to that it only mean that he completed the jutsu. Rasengan=50% Wind manipulation=50%, add them together and you get Naruto's new jutsu.

But apparenlty Naruto is only 50% done with his jutsu, so that means after Naruto and the group heads back to Konoha, Naruto may stay awhile and train with Yamato and or Kakashi to further mature his jutsu.

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Naruto is nothing without the Kyuubi, plus I love seeing him with the red Aura.
That is not true, Naruto already has amazing chakra without the Kyuubi and his high stamina level ensures that he has an extra tank of chakra at the ready. That is why Naruto is so amazing, if he runs out of chakra he can constantly converty endless stamina into chakra, that is how he is able to fight for long periods of time.

Naruto does not need the Kyuubi to fight Sasuke, I'm not saying Naruto won't ever use the Kyuubi, but I think Naruto will take down Sasuke without the Kyuubi. The whole point of Naruto making his new jutsu was for him to rely on his own strength. Remember Naruto does not need the Kyuubi.

The seal does not make Uzumaki Naruto. Naruto's own chakra is the reason why the Kyuubi can't destroy Naruto's body. Naruto's chakra is special it has great defense. Is it possible that the 4th Hokage knew from the begining?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25092

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25093

These pictures demonstrates that Naruto is able to fight without the Kyuubi. And with Naruto's new usage of the shadow clone jutsu, he could easily stand up against Sasuke's Sharingan.

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that maybe true...but what about sasuke's new jutsu....
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Re: The badass shinobi Fc

Well someone on this forum mentioned that it was possible that Sasuke was about to launch a huge Fire jutsu. Here is a big hint: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25672

Tora is the Third sign of the Chinese zodiac, the Tiger. It is associated with East-Northeast and the month of January.

Note: Tiger has been associated with Fire Element manipulation.

It is quite possible that Sasuke planned out enjoy a roasted team 7, although Yamato probably would have stopped him with water jutsu. Remember Yamato is the one who reminded Naruto about Sasuke's fire jutsu so I think Yamato knew where it was going.

Orochimaru probably did not want Sasuke to use that jutsu because the caliber of the attack probably would have killed team 7 but Orochimaru wanted Akatuski out of the way and since he was greatefull to them for killing Sasori, he wanted team 7 alive.
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Yeah he did end up killing three hearts in one shot and Kakashi was having trouble getting rid of any. I think they gave him this scene to show naruto's strength without the 9tails.
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Well someone on this forum mentioned that it was possible that Sasuke was about to launch a huge Fire jutsu. Here is a big hint: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=25672

Tora is the Third sign of the Chinese zodiac, the Tiger. It is associated with East-Northeast and the month of January.

Note: Tiger has been associated with Fire Element manipulation.

It is quite possible that Sasuke planned out enjoy a roasted team 7, although Yamato probably would have stopped him with water jutsu. Remember Yamato is the one who reminded Naruto about Sasuke's fire jutsu so I think Yamato knew where it was going.

Orochimaru probably did not want Sasuke to use that jutsu because the caliber of the attack probably would have killed team 7 but Orochimaru wanted Akatuski out of the way and since he was greatefull to them for killing Sasori, he wanted team 7 alive.
u got a point there...butoro didnt let them live cuzz he was gratefull, he let them live so that they can kill more akatsuki members
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