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PROVEN FACT: The WTC7 building collapsed because a big gouge was made in the center of the central core of the building due to debris from the taller towers and the core eventually collapsed. You can see photo(s) of this gouge online. The twin towers fell not cuz the steel melted, but cuz steel loses 50% of its strength at the temperature airfuel burns. HTe "Bomb explosions" seen were just smoke plumes from the intersections between the towers' elevator shafts and the observation decks. ALL of the "squibs" came from the observation decks and were most forceful at their ends, even though bomb explosions are strngest a their starts. This PROVES the towers IMPLODED, they did not EXplode. The film "Zeitgeist" is false. Neither Jesus nor that Egyptian guy were born on December 25th, the only reason christmas is on Dec 25th is cuz pagans had their sun festival on that day and the christian church wanted to distract them from their paganism. The context of the Bible shows Jesus was born in the Spring, because sheep-tending there was done in the Spring! The Zeitgeist films claims about the Freemasons are disproven, go to the discovery/national geographic channel/history channel to see the documentary on it. It states: THe "NEw world order" writing on the US dollar says "A new cycle of the ages". If it said new world order, it would say "Novus Ordo Mundi", not "Novus Ordo Seclorum". The design of the pyramid on the dollar was NOT designed by any freemasons, the early politicina who made it was NOT a freemason. THe roads in Washington DC do NOT make a pentagram, the streets obviously do NOT connect all the way to do that. They look more like a spider web to me. THe Freemasons are just a social reform club started in the late 18th century, not satanists. The documentary on TV I saw shows the ritual you go through to be a freemason, it is not satanic at all. THe TV documentary "Secret History of the Freemasons" disproves ALL conspiracy theories about the freemasons. HT efilm is full of unsourced quotes, and NONE of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive. Those you claim to be them are just people wiht the same names as them, not actually them.

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shiki-fuujin

u took time out of ur life to proved something that even said its not entirely true

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darrylgm

You got that from wikipedia.

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Katon707

rofl at u, yes my freind, wikipedia holds all the anwsers. for any interested
xeitgeist 2: addendum is now available to watch on google video aswell as on the zeitgeist website. I strongly advise watching this as it is far better made, directed and explained than the first film. its sure to cause sme commotion.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

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emachina

Well, I wonder. If Zeitgeist, and for that matter Loose Change, are so reliable and full of such mind blowing accurate information, how come they had to go back and take out all the mistakes they made in their first drafts? First two drafts for Loose Change actually.

And, on the other hand, the official story. You know, the one where scientists, engineers and other such totally unreliable failures, totally unlike the college drop outs that made Zeitgeist and Loose Change, has not changed? Isn't that weird?

uchihademon91

when i came across this post, i actually laughed out loud.... that was funny... just the way i imagined it said in my head.... for that i thank you

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ashpetjum

I strongly advise watching this as it is far better made, directed and explained than the first film. its sure

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Problems with this:

-The big gouge was on one side of the building. The majority of the building was still in-tact. Remember, this building was redundant. The Murrah Building had half gone from it, but it didn't collapse.

-Had the building collapsed due to a missing inner section (gouge), it would have been much more gradual and far less 'clean' than the collapse we saw on video, which was a nearly-symmetrical, straight-down demolition.

-Craig Bartmer, an NYPD officer who was on the scene, states that the hole wasn't that big, and wasn't bad enough to take out the building. Demolitions expert Danny Jowenko looked at the photos of the gash and said that the gash wasn't enough to bring down the building at all.

Wrong -- NIST states on page 90/140 of their report:

Observations of paint cracking due to thermal expansion. Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC: east face, floor 98, inner web; east face, floor 92, inner web; and north face, floor 98, floor truss connector. Only two core column specimens had sufficient paint remaining to make such an analysis, and their temperatures did not reach 250 ºC. ... Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC.

The temperature required to weaken the steel by 50% is 648 degrees.

This is an attractive explanation, but is impossible because of the fact that these explosions were seen occurring at floors far below the collapse wave. With the collapse wave nowhere near them, there was no pressure pushing them out of shafts/decks. Many of the squibs appear to be genuinely forceful. Only one in particular looked "squeezed".

Since the "Squibs" point is wrong, then it proves nothing. However, the fact that the Towers exploded is documented on videotapes taken from all angles. That was an explosion. Eyewitnesses confirm what we can already see with our own eyes. All of the witnesses on the news stations first interpreted the "collapse" as a "another explosion".

Actually, they claims made against Freemasonry have never been adequately disproven. Freemasonic dominance over world politics can be seen quite clearly by simply looking at the people in power.

History Channel, National Geographic Channel, and Discovery Channel are all part of the corporate media. They are as elite-controlled as the MythBusters disinformation program.

Actually, it's accurate Latin translation is: "New Secular Order"
Secular = World

Actually, the art on the dollar really was designed by Freemasons in the US Treasury Department.

The Pentagon has a Pentagram embedded within it. The streets connect to create quite a lot of interesting Illuminist symbols. This is probably because the original founding fathers were Freemasons. This includes George Washington, who said of the Illuminati:

"It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am."

No it doesn't -- the TV documentary on the Freemasons is a whitewash, as one can expect from the controlled corporate media. The Freemasons are much, much more than a "social reform club". I beg readers to listen to audios on this website:
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

Can you prove any of the quotes to be fraudulent?

Actually, this hasn't been all that confirmed. Mohamed Atta's father has maintained that he received a call from his son on September 12 and that the American/Israeli Intelligence Community set him up.

Not really.

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Emachina:

It's because new information is always coming through the floodgates, and because no one is perfect. Even professionally made documentaries contain errors that must later be corrected in the revised versions. The fact that one takes out errors and revises their work is not proof of unreliability, but rather, of honesty.

In fact, the official stories in all of these events (9/11 included) have changed repeatedly. Allow me to provide an example with the destruction of the Twin Towers.

First, BBC told us that the steel was melted. This was disproven because of the fact that jet fuel simply does not burn hot enough to create that kind of heat.

Then, PBS, Debunkers, and Officials told us that the floors "pancaked down". This was debunked by the video evidence, as the collapse would have been much more gradual in the case of a pancake collapse. It was also invalidated by the fact that all pancake collapses feature a set of pancaked floors in the rubble pile. Also, the pancake collapse didn't explain the disappearance of the massive core. Even if the floors fell, the core was what held them up. It would stand.

Now, they tell us that the extreme heat from the fires weakened the steal to the point where it bowed in and snapped, causing global collapse. This explanation has been heavily debunked: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/

Another example is the Oklahoma Bombing in 1995 -- the FBI kept changing the story and trying to make the bomb's size bigger and bigger in different statements/press-releases. It looked like a silly attempt to make it big enough to coincide with the damage.

As for experts, most of the experts behind the official version have direct connections to the US Military and the defense industry. Brent Blanchard, for example, is a debunker who fronts for the official story. He's also a demolitions expert. His company, Protec, has contracts with Lockheed Martin, Bechtel, and other defense contractors. It also contracts with the US Military and US Government, as well as US Energy Labs/NASA (Which connects it to top-level US weapons research). If he didn't say that the conspiracy theories were wrong, he'd lose clients and, thus, money. The man has a family to feed.

On the other hand, over 700 professionals in the architectural/engineering/demolitions world who have no connection to the defense industry have rejected the official version of the WTC collapses:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html

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Truth about 9/11
The attacks were an 'inside job': http://killtown.911review.org/
The TV footage is fake: http://www.septemberclues.info/
The Military used hi-tech weapons to destroy the Towers: http://drjudywood.com/