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I did not see a thread on this and my boy said I should just start one using some of his views since we agreed so...

Title says it all, give me your views on this

I think testing on animals isn't right, but the truth is it must be done, without animal testing, we wouldn't have any cures for some of the many deadly viruses and desease throughout our world, It's not that I think It's right they be put through agony for our gain, but when it comes down to it, I'm sure you'd rather it be them then us.

However I'd like to make it very clear that testing on animals with Cosmetics, like makeup is completely wrong.

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palmereap

any testing on animals is crule......cause they're another living thing and have thoughts too

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ChojiMullet

I think that as long as they are test under the current govement regulations then I am fine with it. Now they are protected from crazy experimentation. To be honest who cares if a couple 100 rats die if we find a cure for a disorder. It is called survival of the fittest. It not like we test on animals that arnt over populated.

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sasuke_power

Testing on animals is wrong period. But in order for the Homosapien species to survive nowadays we need testing. As long as they are testing on chimpanzees, and other major species.

AS for the rat yeah, that thing is so nasty, it overpopulates and well, the perfect specimen to test on. Things I think are wrong though, Cloning.

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Mooch

your logic is faulty. An animal's immune system differs from that of a human, so testing on animals for any reason really is pointless and just cruel. It isnt beneficial since animals cannot handle certain things a human can, such as a human cannot handle things specific animals can. Like chocolate being a severe poison to dogs, or human saliva tending to be a poison to most birds also.

ChojiMullet

Actually I think most of testing should be on pigs because of your reasons. Pig anatomy resemble us more then all others. Alot of the resurch is things that any solution even in animals can help us build to changing it for humans. If they find something to trick the animiles immune system that could end tons of autoimmune diesices. Plus their is work on nerve cell regeneration that is the same and cancer.

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sasuke_power

hmm, I study on college, thus knowledge isnt faulty. Testing does have its benefits AND I CLEARLY stated i oppose it.

But a rats immune system has shown to have some similarities with that of a humans, also, a chimpanzees immune system is so similar that it is creepy, by the way we only have a 3% diff in our DNA from the chimpanzee.

But I wholeheartedly agree that it is cruel and unusual. check on google. it has shown some usefilness though

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ChojiMullet

I am talking about anitomicaly as a grad student in the OT program I have seen my share of animal testing. In fact they do tons of testing on rats in our school. Also It is not like if we stop testing on animals we would not need to test, and do you all think that testing on humans are better. Chemist can look at stuructures all day long and speculate what may happen, but their are to many unknowns to how it will react on the human body. In our graduate chem lab right now they are doing work for a new type of chemotheropy. When they are done with the chemical work they will send it to the bio-chem lab for work on animals. I think animals are important and I care for them a lot, but when it comes down to it I would rether any animal die if it might save the human race from some disorder. Look at AIDS people could not live for long after they got it, do to medical advances in medicine including on animals they are now living for years.

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sasuke_power

hey im taking up chemistry as my career major.
hmm a funny thing with aids though, how can u find a cure for something like this when it basically kills the occupant? tricking the immune system and all. How can u use animal testing to try and find a cure for this? Wouldnt that be very difficult.

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ChojiMullet

It is and I don't think we are nead to solving autoimmune disorders for that reason that it is hard to protect the person from their self. But if it can extend life and life that is quality then it is worth it. Also they need to continue because as with all viruses soon it will progress and change and the medicine will not work. Resurch needs to stay ahead of the disorder, even though that is a near imposible task.

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sasuke_power

hmm, Do you know theme methods they use to treat the avian flu, I havent really read up on it yet. I do know that Americans should be more aware of the Avian Flu though. THe Lackadaisical attitude they have is so ignorant. At least methods are being prepared in NY though and a few other states from wat i know

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Freshgrease

IT is neccessary, but I can't say that I really like it.

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DarkAztek

Cosmetics? No. That's just stupid.

Actual research? Hell yes. Humans come first and the animals aren't treated all that cruelly. (For example, my sister works in animal research where she studies monkeys that are on cocaine. The monkeys NEVER have to take it and they choose just about everything. Her research is going to make it easier to help addicts recover and perhaps find a way to prevent people from getting addicted in the first place.) Humans > Animals.

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ChojiMullet

DA is right big time on cosmetics, I have never understud that. Do woman want to know the statitical data that their pruducts works great on making pig look good. Or that their makeup contains something they were worried might hurt them if they used it.

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What are you talking about chimpanzees and humans are alike in so many ways I mean evolution says we evolved from them so it make sense that we would be alike uin several ways immune system included. Also a human and animals tolerance for certain things are different but I think that lets say Chimps are enough alike where we can atleast test certain things on them to help gain pretty accurate data on how it would effect a human. If not are you saying that we should just test directly on humans or not at all because in anycase someone will most likey lose there life if we dont.

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