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Old 12-14-2006, 07:23 AM   #1
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Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

It has pointed out by no less than the 4th Hokage that Rasengan was an incomplete jutsu. It has no elemental element to it. And on the contrary Chidori is a complete elemental jutsu. Now that Naruto is about to succeed in incorporating wind element to rasengan it will become a complete jutsu so I think even the strongest chidori will no longer be a match to it. And one other thing, if Naruto learns another element and then fuses it with rasengan again like for example water element (if he learns it) + rasengan it will totally own any fire jutsu that sasuke will throw at him. And another scenario, what if naruto fuses two elements on rasengan? That will be one awesome jutsu! What do u think guys?
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

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It has pointed out by no less than the 4th Hokage that Rasengan was an incomplete jutsu. It has no elemental element to it. And on the contrary Chidori is a complete elemental jutsu. Now that Naruto is about to succeed in incorporating wind element to rasengan it will become a complete jutsu so I think even the strongest chidori will no longer be a match to it. And one other thing, if Naruto learns another element and then fuses it with rasengan again like for example water element (if he learns it) + rasengan it will totally own any fire jutsu that sasuke will throw at him. And another scenario, what if naruto fuses two elements on rasengan? That will be one awesome jutsu! What do u think guys?
you thinking tooo far ahead. No only is naruto learning new jutsu's so is sasuke. With Sasuke's talent and Oro's knowledge i think sasuke would know an incrediblly strong attack to counter the rasengan. Remeber Sasuke might even know the rasengan 0_0!! So you are thinking Sasuke hasn't learnt any new elements what if he learned earth??.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:37 AM   #3
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

As pointed out by Yamato wind wins over lightning and fire wins over wind but water wins over fire. It might be true that sasuke may learn new jutsu's especially since he has sharingan. Remember when doing rasengan no seals are performed its a combination of chakra control and manipulation. Sharingan can copy techniques but the user still needs to practice it and hone it as said by Kakashi when Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu. Sasuke had a hard time training for that. And knowing how Orochimaru despises Jiraiya and the 4th its quite far fetched that he will learn rasengan and teach it to sasuke. And also Sasuke looks highly of himself and looks at Naruto as someone lower than him, and him learning Rasengan will be definitely out of his personality and character.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

Kakashi can do Kage Bunshin and Rasengan, he created Raikiri/Chidori because he could not fuse form and nature manipulation when it came to the Rasengan. He conviniently stated that Naruto is the only one with the Jutsu or the Chakra to complete the Yondaime's Jutsu. Think of it this way Chidori/Raikiri is complete the Rasengan is now complete yet in the past it was shown to go toe to toe with the Chidori. Meaning they were round about equal when Rasengan was half complete. The fully completed Rasengan will destroy any Lightining Jutsu because form and nature manipulation have been taken to the max. What should be noted is Naruto is also creating his own original Jutsu, and to make it he will draw upon the completed Rasengan and all the other knowledge he gained. His Jutsu will surpass that of even a Kage. It should be noted the Sandaime defeated Orochimaru with the Yondaime's Jutsu and now Naruto has perfected a Jutsu created by the Yondaime. This leads one to see that Naruto is in effect as strong as a Kage. WIth the suppresion of the Kyubi his Chakra will be greater than ever.

Also I don't think Sasuke has the Chakra to match.

Naruto also has the Kyubi in him, if all else fails and they seem to be talking more. But that is a side note.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

Also you forget what Asume said about Naruto knowing wind and how that was good because it was the strongest close/midrange element. Like the Rasengan is close range. We don't know watter strength in attacking so it might not be a good match for Rasengan. Also Naruto has stated that he does not want to put sasuke flame out which leads me to belive he will not learn watter. Also you do not see Chidori fire jutsu because that is not how the same manipulation works. I think at best Naruto will learn a new water jutsu but not combine with the old.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

sasuke is definitely not capable of making an elemental-rasengan
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

sasuke is talented and strong enough to create a technique to counter the wind rasengan.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

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... knowing how Orochimaru despises Jiraiya and the 4th its quite far fetched that he will learn rasengan and teach it to sasuke...
But isn't it Orochimaru's primary objective to learn all the jutsus in the word?
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

what I really like to see is Rasengan + One Thousand Years of Pain hit Sasuke ass...
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

Naruto has a hard tiem puting wind chakra to rasengan. how do youiu exept him to do that?
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

If sasuke can learn chidori in a few weeks + get lee's super speed, then i think he can make some sick new jutsus.You are thinking sasuke isn't learning a different jutsu, that can bomb the crap outta naruto. Naruto doesn't have the speed, and he definatly doesn't have enough jutus's to face sasuke head to head. Narutos jutsu.

kage Bushi, Uzamaki naruto Reandan, Rasengan and some other basic jutsus,

Sasuke

Tons of Fire jutsu's, Chidori, Shi Shi Rendan, shadow Shuriekuen +sasuke can see the kyuubi inaruto, He has basic ninjia skillz, +incredible taijutsu.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

I still don;t think we have seen everything from Naruto so there for we can;t really say now can we?

The other thing is, we got to see the crater Naruto created and that is just putting wind into the resengan. Imagine what it can do when he finishes it.
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If sasuke can learn chidori in a few weeks + get lee's super speed, then i think he can make some sick new jutsus.You are thinking sasuke isn't learning a different jutsu, that can bomb the crap outta naruto. Naruto doesn't have the speed, and he definatly doesn't have enough jutus's to face sasuke head to head. Narutos jutsu.

kage Bushi, Uzamaki naruto Reandan, Rasengan and some other basic jutsus,

Sasuke

Tons of Fire jutsu's, Chidori, Shi Shi Rendan, shadow Shuriekuen +sasuke can see the kyuubi inaruto, He has basic ninjia skillz, +incredible taijutsu.
Erm, from as far as I have seen, speed means almost nothing when a serious match starts in the naruto world. If this were DBZ, or BLEACH speed would mean one has the upperhand, as I recall Sai by himself was able to almost keep up with Sasuke's speed to stop his attack. Itachi is a person who's movements are as fast as lighting when he faced Kakashi his hand signs were so fast, even with the Sharingan he had a hard time catching up to it, but that was it, he didn't drastically run across the lake with a kunai doing Taijutsu moves, so it's obvious that speed alone won't grant you the win. Sasuke was always alot faster then Naruto, but that still didn't lead the match they had more towards him. Where it took Sasuke 3 months to learn and barely master chidori with sharingan, it took Naruto one week to learn Rasengan.

Chidori never matched Rasengan imo. Chidori would cut through anything that's true, but Rasengan does more damage then a simple hole. After Rasengan is finished, I think instead of adding more elements to it, Naruto should just be given an entirely new move instead of improving on that single move.

Heh Sasuke has all these jutsus, all these capablites, a so called tensai, desire for revenge, but Naruto has something that he doesn't have, and that's belief in himself also.... what's this show called again?

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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

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Chidori never matched Rasengan imo. Chidori would cut through anything that's true, but Rasengan does more damage then a simple hole. After Rasengan is finished, I think instead of adding more elements to it, Naruto should just be given an entirely new move instead of improving on that single move.
Reminds me of when Sasuke and Naruto went at it on the roof and Sasuke thought he had the upper hand cause Naruto only did a small hole in the water tower, then as he was leaving he saw the gaping hole in the back. Chidori is good, but Resengan is like a sledge hammer killing a fly.
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Re: Rasengan, Chidori And The Elements

Its certain that Sasuke have learn so many jutsus by now and he might even have learned quite a few forbidden jutsus from Orochimaru. Orochimaru thinks highly of himself and sees Jiraiya as someone inferior to him, just like Sasuke sees Naruto and this has been proven in Manga for several times already. So Orochimaru learning Rasengan will be like admitting that Jiraiya finally had created a jutsu that is worth Orochimaru's time. And regarding Sasuke learning lots of jutsus I think that will be a none factor in a battle, he cant use all jutsus or many jutsus in a battle as he doesnt have enough chakra for that. It will be like having many guns with you but having few ammos. It doesnt change a thing if Sasuke can see kyubi. And regarding Sasuke's speed and taijutsu that is one thing that Naruto should worry about. And another thing, Sasuke is training hard not to beat Naruto but to kill Itachi. He doesnt know that Naruto's element is wind, but Naruto knows his affinity is both fire and lightning. Elements are like rock papers and scissors game. Even if sasuke will have tons of fire and lightning jutsu naruto will only develop on a few powerful wind jutsu and learn water jutsu that will be enough to nullify all of Sasuke's attacks.
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