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Old 01-24-2007, 01:36 AM   #1
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Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

Bear with me folks. here's one of those moments where a wild idea runs through my head and I wonder if it has any plausibility

First off, we probably all concede that Naruto has many, MANY similarities to Yondaime (eyes, hair, personality blah blah), but his lineage is shrouded in mystery, and very few people seem to know anything about him or his parentage. We do know, however, that he was labeled "Yondaime's legacy" by Itachi in arc one.

Building off this, we must consider the idea that Yondaime probably was never married, because no mention of his family is ever made in the manga. Therefore I'm guessing that naruto probably was not the Yondaime's son (don't get mad at me folks)

Now for the bulk of the theory, I think when Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi, he did not, contrary to the given belief, figure out how to perform the sealing process to put Kyuubi inside someone else. We know that Shukaku was sealed into Gaara by other sand shinobis (including Chiyo), but judging from the fact that Chiyo was still alive and well after the sealing, it can be deduced that if one is sealing a biju into another person, he/she does not have to sacrifice his/her own life. This brings us to wonder why the Yondaime died (I noticed his grave is never shown) sealing the Kyuubi inside Naruto.

My answer is that Yondaime and Naruto are one and the same. When Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi into himself, he was undoubtedly thinking of Konoha's future welfare, and realized that the Kyuubi's power could potentially be wielded for the benefit of Konoha. But to seal a beast into oneself requires that person to sacrifice his own life. The Yondaime then contrived of an alternative plan. This plan involved a modification of his sealing jutsu (or perhaps a new jutsu altogether) that regressed the user back into infancy when performed, while eliminating damage or detrimental effects suffered beforehand. So when Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi inside HIMSELF, he somehow regressed back to infancy via this jutsu, and thus we have Naruto. In this process, Yondaime/Naruto's life was essentially reset (albiet with the Kyuubi inside him now), erasing all memory of the past life. Before said regression, Yondaime told the village of Konoha that he wished for the product of his sealing jutsu to be regarded as a hero, effectively meaning himself. People however were inclined to believe that Naruto was a separate entity from the Yondaime (perhaps out of ignorance), and therefor scorned and rejected Naruto.

Now everyone would argue with me over details and possible loopholes in my radical theory, and I agree, it's pretty far fetched, and there is not as much evidence as I would like to say there is. I'm basing this mainly off the premise that Yondaime and naruto's lineage is still a big mystery. It might also explain how Naruto was able to master the rasengan in such a short time as technically he/Yondaime already "knew" it, and was merely relearning it for this new body.

Another comparison I'd make is Naruto's mastery of Kage Bunshin. Yondaime, as the Konoha Yellow Flash, had the ability to travel almost instantaneously across far distances if a special seal is used at the destination. This is demonstrated in Kakashi Gaiden, where he singlehandedly takes down 50 enemy shinobi by having his men throw kunai's with his special tags. While Naruto (my alleged Yondaime) is too young and lacks the experience to inherit this "flashing" ability, the effect of being able to do many things at once manifested in naruto in the form of him learning kage Bunshin. This was the only technique that naruto was able to learn off of the forbidden scroll, and I argue that it was a predestined technique meant for his use, as it came closest to matching Yondaime's capabilities.

dunno man, what do yall think?
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:37 AM   #2
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....? can you sum this up for me? kinda got lost...XD sorry...
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

basically I'm saying that Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi inside himself, then regressed back to infancy to avoid death, thereby becoming Naruto. It's a pretty crazy idea, but I thought it'd be interesting to talk about it.
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interesting idea....but do you think that the creator of the series would think of something that complicated that long ago?
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

Here is my feeling on the matter.

http://www.narutolounge.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=18540

I believe both parental or other connection threads about Naruto are baned till further notice.
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

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interesting idea....but do you think that the creator of the series would think of something that complicated that long ago?

perhaps that is why he deliberately left the history a blank page when he first wrote it, so that should he decide on something as radical as that he would be able to insert it without continuity errors.

and ChojiMullet my theory is entirely against Yondaime being naruto's father, and doesn't even make the connection. it only states that they have many things in common.

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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

I have an itch this thread gonna be closed.

No. Naruto is not a recarnation if he is, how did yondaime seal it inside a baby???
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kluang gotsa point about that
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

no.......

yondaime sealed it inside of a baby.....naruto......there are people stating that within the village.....i can probably also assume that some people witnessed this as this is how the kyuubi attacking Konoha rampage stopped....im pretty sure he didnt take the kyuubi's spirit and ran into some room to put it in himself secretly..

and as for the sealings themselves....both were sealed differently.....using different methods....

in the anime, his coffin does pop up....half way...then the third stopped it from coming into their world and it went back down again...u may review the summoning if you wish.....
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

Also if that s how the jutsu worked their would be a baby of the third running around with Oro arms sealed in him from when the 3rd used the move. He says that it is the 4th jutsu. So he is dead and no new baby 3rd's are running around so it just does not work.
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Yah, there is just too little evidence to back this theory up...but if for some reason you end up being correct, i'll pay you 50 bucks
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Ohhh no.


Well i want to prove you wrong. Naruto was born right? the 4th sealed The Kyuubi In naruto. He already dies when he seals the kyuubi in, hoe can he seal himself in there too? Would 2 minds in 1 body drive Naruto to insanity because the Real Naruto and The 4th are inside it?
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

ummm so if yondaime is naruto then who is the third. I mean the third sealed himself, but there wasnt a boy left behind.
I like the idea sounds pretty iteresting, but just is a little crazy.
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Well i want to prove you wrong. Naruto was born right? the 4th sealed The Kyuubi In naruto. He already dies when he seals the kyuubi in, hoe can he seal himself in there too? Would 2 minds in 1 body drive Naruto to insanity because the Real Naruto and The 4th are inside it?
oh dear, I'm saying that the 4th REGRESSED back to infancy, becoming naruto. There wouldn't be two minds in one body, as he did not "seal" himself inside someone else. Naruto is the 4th, and vise versa

I know, I'm fighting an uphill battle here, and for the record I don't actually think Kishi would support my theory in his story, but hey I think it's feasible.
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Re: Naruto is Yondaime reincarnated

well kakashi kinda witnissed this and was the last person to see Yondaime alive so if this theory was true than y didnt Kakashi say anything about them being the same other than him sealing it inside of baby naruto
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