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Old 01-06-2007, 02:32 PM   #1
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Start of School Be Later?

High schoolers wake up at 6:00AM because their school begins at 7:00AM. Middle Schoolers wake up at 7:00AM because their schooling begins at 8:00AM.

Am I the only one who's noticed that they're drowsy throughout the day, thus not being the best they can be? It's a proven fact that our bodies funtion best when we wake up later than these supposed times.

So, the question is "Should the Start of School Be Later." Tell what you think, and please don't flame me!
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Old 01-06-2007, 02:37 PM   #2
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

The purpose of school is to prepare you for life outside of school, i.e., having a job and the like. Jobs usually start just as early as most schools do, so getting into the habit of waking up early is something that the schools teach students to do. It's a good idea for schools to start early, and it's not the school's fault that teenagers are so tired. If teenagers would go to sleep at reasonable times that would allow them 8-10 hours of sleep, they wouldn't be falling asleep in class.
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:48 PM   #3
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

Lily, that would be the teenager's fault for not going to bed a decent time. If they stay up until 12 am or later, they won't get enough sleep. (As my father always said, an hour of sleep before 12 is worth two hours after it.)

Additionally, why do people need to wake up an hour before school? It takes 10 minutes max to get up, shower, and get dressed. 5-10 more minutes for breakfast. It shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes to get to school either.


To be frank, I used to hate getting up early for school too. However, it really wasn't that bad. It was my own fault for staying up really late. Plus aren't most school periods no longer than an hour? Like, about 50 minutes or so on average? Boo hoo. In college, there are many classes that are two hours with a number of them that are three hours plus. Try concentrating on a three hour class at 8 in the morning.

Most people have to get up for work even earlier. How do they do it? How can these people possibly handle it? They go to sleep at a DECENT HOUR.



But let's try and keep this thought in mind: School is normally, what, 6 hours long? Is that a fair estimate? When I was in high school, classes started at 8 and school ended at 2:30. So what happens when we push it back an hour from 9 until 3:30. In the winter months, such as right now, it starts getting dark at about 4:00. What happens to after school activities? They're pushed back an extra hour as well.

To be honest, I think kids just need to suck it up. As Sugoi mentioned, school helps prep you for real life.
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:05 PM   #4
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

It's a persons responsibilty to take care of themselves, and that inlcudes keeping a nice bed time. I make sure that I go to bed at the latest of 9:30, so I'm well rested when I wake up at 6:40. But it still would'nt hurt have a later school time! ^^
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:13 PM   #5
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

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To be frank, I used to hate getting up early for school too. However, it really wasn't that bad. It was my own fault for staying up really late. Plus aren't most school periods no longer than an hour? Like, about 50 minutes or so on average? Boo hoo. In college, there are many classes that are two hours with a number of them that are three hours plus. Try concentrating on a three hour class at 8 in the morning.
Block scheduling is not uncommen in High school either. alot of high schools around here have it. And yes you guys think you have it bad well I live an hour from my school.
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

Speaking on the whole "this prepares you for college" thing I can successfully say after two years in that that is a load of crap. Who the crap goes to college classes from 8AM to 5PM? Thats insane. The course material that I was taught was hardly used in college classes excluding one week reviewing everything learned in a year as "basic" material and then the majority of which is not used.

That was the way in Calculus for me. Took calc in HS but it was only two chapters in the calc book in college. Kids aren't going to learn anymore by going to more hours of school. I was a HS student too. I know that it gets to a point that the information can not be absorbed and it is nothing more than a waste of teacher and student time. Thats not to mention the cost to the state.

I think that HS should go from 9 to 1 with no lunch and then kids go home for the day. That is pretty much how it is in Germany. The USA is one of the few countries whose adolecents couldn't give a shit if they learned or not because they are forced to goto the institution and they don't think ahead for the future.

In germany there are three tracks of schools (Blue collar, White Collar, and Jock) that are decided by standardized tests around the age of 7 or so. Kids learn early on that if they want to accel that they have to study hard and care. College is free, but the better ones are reserved to the better students.
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Old 01-06-2007, 06:31 PM   #7
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

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It shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes to get to school either.
Some people have to walk from long distances, so that's not necessarily true. When I was going to Finneytown it took me half an hour just to walk to school because the high schoolers aren't allowed to ride the buses, no matter how far away they live.

But, I honestly agree with everything else you said.

@Freshgrease-Not all adolescents are the "I don't give a shit" type, but I have to admit there are a lot of them. But honestly, changing the times that school starts and ends wouldn't change their attitudes towards school in general.
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

Exactly. Give them the choice to go to school or not without breaking the law. The ones who care enough to goto school, learn, and respect the system will stay thus ridding most of the problems of the school system.

Those with GEDs hardly ever get into major universities. Usually they goto Community colleges that will give them a degree to be a clerk at Wallmart.
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Old 01-06-2007, 06:51 PM   #9
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Then we'd have a shortage of dead-end jobs and way too many homeless to count.
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Old 01-06-2007, 07:16 PM   #10
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

In Malaysia kids start school at like 6:00. I was there and my cousin woke up at 5:00. So don't whine. Not all schools start school at the same time. I start school at 8:20 and high schools in my area start at like 9:00. Waking up early means going to sleep early so if you know you gotta go to school early then go to sleep early problem solved. No need for a debate about this.
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Old 01-06-2007, 08:22 PM   #11
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

At my school we have to be in class by 7:30 and we get out at 2:40. I tend to be in bed by 9 and I make sure I only stay up on weekends. Most of the kids who complain about it stayed up to late with their friends or talked on the phone all night about gossiping crap.
I have a four by four schedule and I have 90 minute classes that sometimes fly by. I sleep well and I don't mind getting up. My lowest grade so far is a 90 in Civics and Economics. My school is a public and it is classical. We have no sports and we have to wear uniforms. Brown, Navy blue, or black Khaki pants, and a green, navy blue, or white polo shirt.
I go to tutoring and remediation when I can even though I am doing very well with grades in the early 90s. There is no such thing as too much learning. Also it helps me make better test grades.
Studies have shown that the brain works best in the morning. Also look at this equation. Start early=Get out Early, Start Late=Get Out Late. Starting school later is going to mess with other's schedules and it is not going to help all those kids in the school with grades like 20s and 30s in every class.
I make high test scores and do well on exams but the ironic part is that my mom has not saved a cent for me to go to college. She prefers to spend her money getting hair dye, movies and candy than my educational future. Even though she makes 13,000 a year with 6,000 from child support, she rather prefers to spend her money on less important things. It sucks that the kids that wanna do something with there lives need the money but the kids with a lot of money needs the grades. Luckily my stepdad has the money I need but he is arrogant, pompous, verbally abusive and wants me to kiss his ass to get his money. As long as I continue to kiss his ass I get to go to college. It sucks too.
My mom doesn't want me going to a classical school because they don't have buses and you have to drive there. She doesn't like waking up. She wants me to go to the crappy home school where they bring guns to school and gangs dominate certain parts of the school. They have Crips, Bloods, and FOLK there. Someone just got shot there a few weeks ago. It was a change from the common bomb threats that go on there. My school has about 300 students from grade 9-12. We have small classes and we offer a lot of academic courses and after school programs. We are a public school that prepares kids for college. Some bad kids go there because there parents want them to have a future. Other parents put their kids in all honor courses or advance placement and they fail them repeatedly. They still put them in honors.
My mom said since I am making A&Bs in a college prep school, my mom said she wants me in a regular school so I can make As. I won't do that because that is the p*ssy way of getting a good college record and is the cheap way of beating the system.

Well anyways getting up later is not going to save you from staying up till 2 in the morning. Going to bed on time will.
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Old 01-07-2007, 05:10 AM   #12
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

damn, it is ur responsibility to stay late, be sleepy or sleep early, be active. i wake up 5:00 in the morning coz i have tobe in skul at around 6:45. my class starts at 7 and ends at 5:30, in addition to that u hav to do 5 assignments or more not countitng the tests u will have. skul really prepares u with life
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Re: Start of School Be Later?

I don't see how this is a debate issue. It's already a law anyway. I think that the normal hours of school we have are fine. I wake up at 5 in the morning every day and I get back home at around 7 to 8 PM. And that doesn't include cram school. Typical Americans always complain about their schedule times. Well, by the time you get to junior high, a routine schedule should already be planned. I have a friend who only gets 5 hours of sleep on weekdays because of cram school and he's operating fine. Why? Because he accepted it into his life and now he's used to it. If people just got over the complaints on whether schools should be more slack then there wouldn't be issues like this. Main reason. People are LAZY. Well too bad and get used to it. Cause later on, life is much more demanding.

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Speaking on the whole "this prepares you for college" thing I can successfully say after two years in that that is a load of crap. Who the crap goes to college classes from 8AM to 5PM? Thats insane. The course material that I was taught was hardly used in college classes excluding one week reviewing everything learned in a year as "basic" material and then the majority of which is not used.
You're telling me that you don't have classes that start as early (if not earlier) than 8 am? Hell, I teach a class that starts at 7 PM and goes until 9 PM. I've had biochem majors (as well as other majors) have days that are non-stop work from early in the morning until late at night. I won't even bring up the idea of grad school to you...


And FG, did you say we should give kids a choice in whether or not they should go to school? That's just about the dumbest idea I have ever heard. What kid will EVER say, "Oh yeah, I'd prefer to go to school than anything else I could be doing." If you had asked me that in high school, I would have laughed in your face. "A DUH! Is that even a choice!?"

While much of what you learn in HS may not benefit you later in life, the purpose is to prepare you to use skills you MAY need in the future. Heck, the whole idea of a liberal arts college is to teach you a well rounded education. Being a simple specialist in one field is good and all, but you're still dumb as a rock if you can't explain how to find x side of a right triangle if you know the length of the other two sides. Etc.


It's not a big deal for kids to wake up early. It's not a big deal for adults to wake up early. People need to take responsability for their own actions. Is waking up at 7 too early for you? Well don't stay up late watching Adult Swim! If you don't have to wake up until 11, then you can stay up a little longer, right?

Ever hear of Ben Franklin's famous quote about being early to bed and early to rise?
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The purpose of school is to prepare you for life outside of school, i.e., having a job and the like. Jobs usually start just as early as most schools do, so getting into the habit of waking up early is something that the schools teach students to do. It's a good idea for schools to start early, and it's not the school's fault that teenagers are so tired. If teenagers would go to sleep at reasonable times that would allow them 8-10 hours of sleep, they wouldn't be falling asleep in class.
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The real world is not going to be easy like most people in school would like to believe in fact you should enjoy school while you can cause once you get done w/ it and out there for real you will surely miss it. I dont know how much common sense it takes to go to bed at a time where you know you will have gotten enough rest to function during the rest of the day I know I never pulled to many late hours when I knew I had something important waiting for me in school the next day.
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