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Old 03-14-2007, 01:04 AM   #1
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Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

The way things are going now I don't see a reason why Naruto should face Sasuke. Sasuke broke away from Orochimaru and he seems to be helping people that were captured by Orochimaru(according the the chapter 346 spoiler which was proven to be true).

If Sasuke finds his own ways to train and prepare for Itachi than there would be no point in trying to bring Sasuke back. I'd say let Sasuke continue whatever path he is going on, he seems to be doing fine by himself.

If a fight between Naruto and Sasuke did take place, it will probably follow along the same lines as the previous one, in which Sasuke wins so that he would follow his own goals and break away from Konoha.

Although Naruto seems to be the favorite, Kishi might make Sasuke winner afterall so that Sasuke could accomplish his mission and follow his own path to restoring his clan. In actuality Naruto may win the fight, but he would fail the mission.

Either way I don't see Sasuke returning to Konoha. I think Naruto has to realise that Sasuke is pretty much out of reach and beating him to a pulp won't help much at all. Sasuke would just leave anyway. Naruto would win the battle but lose the war. So I think the fight will happen and Naruto may have the upperhand, but Sasuke will always be following his own path.

So what do you guys think? Do you think Naruto would win the fight and bring Sasuke back? Or do you think that Naruto will get the upperhand but Sasuke will always complete his objectives without the help of Konoha?

Basically a mountain that Naruto can reach and surpass, but regardless he will never reach the summit.

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Old 03-14-2007, 01:13 AM   #2
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

i think the thought of bringing sasuke back to konoha is naive and lost now, i think naruto and the others goals are just to save sasuke from orochimaru by force, by capturing sasuke or killing oro, i mean what are they gonna do if they bring sasuke back?? lock him up in a prison, he aint no konoha no more, he wont be doing missions, and if they let him out hes gonna go after itachi or seek more power if he still needs to.
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I could see a future where sasuke could go off possibly start a new village. Possibly with sakura by his side. If you think about it, it would be a parallel of the relationship that gara and naruto have. They are in charge of their own villages. A village may be hard to start but they all start somewhere.. ask oro.
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

I think naruto is going to beat the brains out of his head, tie him up and drag him to konoha and take him to a brothel to turn him straight again (still tied up).
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

Sasuke is still lost in darkness, they still need to save him from himself. ^.^ I think it's too soon to write a detailed post on this though. So that's all from me.
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

With Orochimaru out of the way(for now) what does Sasuke has to be saved from? Itachi won't seek him out, that is Sasuke's job to find Itachi and prove his worth and until he gets on that level, Sasuke would probably be training. But why would Sasuke go back to Konoha? He severed his ties with team 7 and Konoha. Remember he is finished. But in the future I do believe that Naruto and Sasuke could fight on the same side back to back.
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

He still believes that true power comes when a person fights alone/for their own interests.

A major theme/almost thesis of the series is that true power doesn't work that way. Sasuke will have to realize this, and until he does, he's still lost in darkness. Basically, him continuing to push away Naruto and Sakura is detriment to this theme.

I personally believe he can not beat Itachi until he realizes this.

But that's not just the whole point. Living alone wouldn't bring Sasuke happiness. That's evident from what his childhood dreams were. :/ Before revenge or power were his aims, he only wanted acknowledgment and his family. Since everything he's done has been for revenge, doesn't it seem natural that he'd still want what he lost? That, truly, he'd want that even more than revenge? *sighs*

That's how I view Sasuke's character. He's a lot like Naruto. He just wanted a family and friendship. He choose the wrong path. Naruto and Sakura are going to remind him of what he learned the day they fought Gaara - what Naruto showed him through his actions when he defeated Gaara and saved Sakura and Sasuke.

And that should, imho, be the way Sasuke defeats Itachi.
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

I think Sasuke will lose to Itachi. Some way Naruto will be around. Sasuke will apologize emotional scene blah blah Sasuke dies... Naruto avenges Sasuke ...time skip. Naruto is Hokage yelling at Konohamaru comical scene Sakura or Hinata smiling at Naruto. TheEND!
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

If that is so than why can't that be after Sasuke defeats Itachi? Right now Sasuke has gotten stronger than he could have ever possibly of gotten from staying in Konoha. I think Sasuke has power, he carries the burden of his slaughtered clan on his back.

The feelings he felt torwards his family and his feelings toward vengence is what fuels his power. If Sasuke is doing fine by himself then let him be by himself. He obviously does not want to return to Konoha. And beating him to an oblivion and taking him back by force might further damage the little feelings Sasuke has torwards Konoha and team 7.

I'm not saying that Sasuke will begone forever, but killing Itachi is his mission just how defeating Hidan was Shikamaru's mission, it is just one of those things that had to be done alone. Sasuke would not want his emotions to get in the way while fighting Itachi, although only his thoughts about how Itachi slaughtered their clan is what will probably fuel his power.

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Old 03-14-2007, 05:17 PM   #10
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

The paths Shikamaru and Sasuke choose are not the same. While both seek/sought revenge, Shikamaru didn't do it all alone. He delivered the final blow, but he had help from Kakashi, his Team (not much, but still, they played their parts) and then Naruto finished off Kakuzu.

Shikamaru took his revenge and yet maintained his friendships. He followed the 'correct' path for this manga.

Sasuke didn't. And he's already stated that he's not strong enough to beat Itachi once in Part II. Basically, despite how strong he seems at the moment, he wont be strong enough if he continues fighting solely for revenge. The weight from the massacre does drive him, but it's also become a personal test that Sasuke's placing his self-worth on... so in essence, it's become for himself, not just the memory of the clan. And Sasuke believes that fighting for yourself makes you stronger.

Truthfully, sure, if it were another manga he could probably accomplish this alone - but not with one of the major themes being what it is.

That's why he can't defeat Itachi. It would destroy the theme if Sasuke, having chosen darkness, is able to defeat Itachi. That's why it has to happen before or at some precise moment, when he realizes his mistake and sees the value in his friendships.

Right now Sasuke has gotten stronger than he could have ever possibly of gotten from staying in Konoha.

That's total speculation. Fact is, we don't know how strong Sasuke would have gotten in Konoha. Kakashi told him that the curse seal actually stunts a ninja's growth... so who knows, right?
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And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
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So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

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Right now Sasuke has gotten stronger than he could have ever possibly of gotten from staying in Konoha.

That's total speculation. Fact is, we don't know how strong Sasuke would have gotten in Konoha. Kakashi told him that the curse seal actually stunts a ninja's growth... so who knows, right?
Both of your posts are great,and I agree with almost everything.Yet,there is this one thing that I must point out.
When Sasuke got beaten by Itachi,he was thinking:"What have I been doing up untill now?"
He means that his missions were all just a child-play,and that those are not short-cuts to power.And he did need a short-cut.He said that he will go through whatever darkness lies ahead to kill Itachi,since he obviously didn't agree with Itachi on the terms of their clan's origin/truth.His life became a revenge,and he couldn't have gotten stronger than he is now.You can mention that Naruto and Sakura didn't leave the village,but they have gotten a lot stronger.While this is true,they were training under Sannins,not someone as a regular Jounin sensei.
You can't say that they teach you Kinjutsu in Konoha,or that jounins know nearly as many jutsus that Orochimaru has.
Orochimaru is a jutsu master,he is a genius who is the most talented in ninja arts of the Three.That is why Sarutobi favored him.Not to mention a power boost from the CS.
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

sasuke will not go back to konoha..he may fight Itachi...and kill him and himself in the process....or itachi is gonna whoop on sasuke.

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he becomes the new villan next to akatsuki.....new leader of sound...that is if that is actually sasuke and not oro in sasuke skin.
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Both of your posts are great,and I agree with almost everything.Yet,there is this one thing that I must point out.
When Sasuke got beaten by Itachi,he was thinking:"What have I been doing up untill now?"
He means that his missions were all just a child-play,and that those are not short-cuts to power.And he did need a short-cut.He said that he will go through whatever darkness lies ahead to kill Itachi,since he obviously didn't agree with Itachi on the terms of their clan's origin/truth.His life became a revenge,and he couldn't have gotten stronger than he is now.You can mention that Naruto and Sakura didn't leave the village,but they have gotten a lot stronger.While this is true,they were training under Sannins,not someone as a regular Jounin sensei.
You can't say that they teach you Kinjutsu in Konoha,or that jounins know nearly as many jutsus that Orochimaru has.
Orochimaru is a jutsu master,he is a genius who is the most talented in ninja arts of the Three.That is why Sarutobi favored him.Not to mention a power boost from the CS.
I see what you mean, but I just think that you can't really tell how strong Sasuke would have gotten in Konoha.

I mean, Naruto trained under Jiraiya for two years.... but, it appears to me that his training under Kakashi and Yamato has proved to be even more of an asset.

And considering the implications of using the curse seal, which is kind of like using the kyuubi's chakra... I think Sasuke could have reached the level he's at right now in Konoha under Kakashi. But that's just speculation.

And I agree that Sasuke felt he wasn't getting strong enough, fast enough. <.< But the curse seal isn't just a power boost, it's like a double-edged sword. It harms the user and weakens the strength of their mind/will/reason. That's why Sasuke always uses it quickly and for a very short period of time. But still... it's dangerous and all it does is extract power that was already within Sasuke. >.<

Anyway, Kakashi knows over 1000 jutsus and it's not just the number of jutsus that makes a ninja... XD But yeah, I see what you mean. He got stronger under Oro, no doubt about that... but he's not strong enough to defeat Itachi. And going by the themes, he shouldn't be able to defeat Itachi while fighting in darkness.

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And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

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The paths Shikamaru and Sasuke choose are not the same. While both seek/sought revenge, Shikamaru didn't do it all alone. He delivered the final blow, but he had help from Kakashi, his Team (not much, but still, they played their parts) and then Naruto finished off Kakuzu.
I'd say that they were similar, well almost. To even get close to Itachi's caliber, Sasuke underwent training from Orochimaru. So it would seem as though he relied on Orochimaru for strength. The path was not all that different. For taking down Hidan, Shikamaru used the help of his friends to locate and take down his enemy enemy alone. Sasuke and Shikamaru used two different ways to accomplishing their goals, but the outcome is to be the same.

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Sasuke didn't. And he's already stated that he's not strong enough to beat Itachi once in Part II. Basically, despite how strong he seems at the moment, he wont be strong enough if he continues fighting solely for revenge. The weight from the massacre does drive him, but it's also become a personal test that Sasuke's placing his self-worth on... so in essence, it's become for himself, not just the memory of the clan. And Sasuke believes that fighting for yourself makes you stronger.
Sasuke is not fighting for himself, he's fighting for the clan that he wants to recreate in the future, that is what he fights for now. Sasuke did say that he could not take on Itachi, he never mentioned that he could not accomplish his goals alone.

Accordingy to next chapter's spoilers, Sasuke is helping a person escape from Orochimaru's clutches. If there are more, Sasuke could put up a resistance and come up with a team of warriors. But I think Sasuke's days with Konoha are through because he broke the ties. But I do think in the future Sasuke may cross paths with Naruto but on good terms, but I just can't see Sasuke having a future in Konoha.

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That's total speculation. Fact is, we don't know how strong Sasuke would have gotten in Konoha. Kakashi told him that the curse seal actually stunts a ninja's growth... so who knows, right?
In Konoha Sasuke probably would not have improved as much because Orochimaru trained Sasuke to be heartless and to fight like a heartless monster. If Sasuke knew that he would obtain stronger power by training in Konoha. He would have never followed the Aura of his cursed seal mark which led him to Orochimaru.

And the cursed seal mark only stunts a ninja's growth is when it is in use. If it is not being used, the ninja continues to grow and mature normally. But if the cursed seal mark is in use all of the time, only the cursed seal mark grows and matures in the power while ninja's overal ability stays the same. If Sasuke trained with the cursed seal mark in use, only his cursed seal mark's power would grow, but I think Sasuke trained all around.

edit: Someone posted before me.lol I guess it took longer than expected for me to post.

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Re: Sasuke breaking away from Konoha?

sasuke not going to konoha may be possible if this new character helps him in his search to find him but then again he or she might lead him back to konoha because itachi would most likely go there.
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