Lily229

But don't you feel that everyones heart is darkened in some way? So doesn't that mean that everyone will eventually go to hell? When you die, your body temperature immeditetly drops, some people think that's your soul leaving you. But can you honestly tell me that when we die those souls leaving our bodies just float up or down? It is possible yes, as humans our brains were not created to comprehend things such as this.

A theory of mine is that the image of heaven and hell were created because we want to have control over everything in our lives, and death is something we cannot control. So by placing a happy sticker on it, we can say that we understand it by saying "If you're good, you go to heaven. If you're bad you go to hell."

I'm not trying to step on anyones beliefs, just tossing ideas out there.

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RNB

Well according to science, I believe, there must be a beginning to everything. Re-incarnation is different than the law you stated above. Re-incarnation has to do with the soul.

Seriously how many times do we have to type this. Accoding to Christianity you can only go to heaven by accepting the gift of Jesus, which is eternal life.

No, only God controls it.

You have to think figuratively. The heart that the bible talks about is the soul, basically. God can see into someones soul because he is God and can do anything he wants. Also take this into consideration:

We have 126,000,000 manuscripts used to create the bible. We have 75,000 manuscripts of Plato's writings. Also note that about 1/2 of the bible manuscripts were written before Plato was even alive, maybe even 500 years before. So now because we have 75,000 manuscripts of Plato's writings we can believe he is real, I mean I think that is enough. Since we only have about 126,000,000 manuscripts of the bible I don't think the bible is very convincing. I mean even though each manuscript fits right into place with the others, I still believe somebody tampered with it in some way. You know, made maybe 1 or 2 pencil marks and maybe a mistranslation of the word "the" on the way. I mean 75,000 manuscripts sounds much more convincing than 126,000,000.

You know how stupid that sounds. If someone walked up to me and said that I would tell them to go back to first grade and learn how to count. I am completely oblivious when it comes to way people think like that, but at the same time it doesn't surprise me. After all it talks about the hard-hearted people all over the bible.

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Kear Bear

Yeah, but through the heart, God sees and judges.

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RNB

No God judges depending on whether you accepted the gift of Christ or not.

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Kear Bear

In which the heart can tell. One can say he accepts Jesus, but not mean it in his heart (i.e. hypocracy)

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RNB

I see what you mean now. The way you described it earlier was confusing.

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Lily229

That's what the energy is. Your soul which i posted after that. When you die your body temp immedietly drops, and some, including me, believe that's the soul leaving the body. Energy can be neither created nor destoryed. So when the soul leaves the body, it is transfered to another. Ever hear the saying when someone dies another is reborn?


Seriously how many times do we have to type this. Accoding to Christianity you can only go to heaven by accepting the gift of Jesus, which is eternal life.


Did you hear about that guy who apparently found the tomb of Jesus or what about the Da'Vinchi (sp) Code?


No, only God controls it.

If judgement was true, depending on what you believe.



I'm a Wiccan, we believe in a higher power (nature really) rather then the materialistic God humans have created. I have another theory to add to that. What if the figurine of God and Godlike figures were all dreams created from hopes, fears and anger from the human mind?

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RNB

Yes I have. I don't think Einstein was talking about the soul when he said that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

What does that have to do with anything. Second of all let me give you some adivce: Never mention anything from the da vinci code during a debate about religion. Most of the facts he used to create theories against Christianity were fake thus making them fake.

I was directing it more toward Kear Bear. If it offended you I am sorry and should have mentioned who I was directing it too.

I know a Wiccan or two. But yeah if your second theory is correct than I guess all of those manuscripts from the book of Daniel that talk about the three empires Persia, Greece, and Rome before they are even created are all dreams. BTW it isn't a very vague prophecy. If you have doubts look it up yourself.

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Kear Bear

that higher power IS God in Christianity. in gnoticism (to some) Yahweh (Jahova) and Jesus are just manifestations of the Monad (God). Yahweh is the creater side of God, while Jesus is the Holy Light (or energy) that is given to us to teach and save us.

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Lily229

Well as I said, this is all a matter of faith and beliefs.

Yes but doesn't it fit into what we are talking about? How would you describe a soul? I see it as engery by hey that's me.

But how do you know they were fake? I'm tossing out ideas that everyone has views on how the world came to be. As I've stated several times before, that our minds were not created to understand somethings and perhaps this is one of them. With God isn't anything possible?

*shrugs*

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I didn't insult anyone, and I didn't avoid any argument. I don't know where you're getting that from. If someone makes a claim then they are responsible to supply proof, not the person calling them on it. That's the logical way to do things. If I said "Invisible flying turtles exist" and you don't believe me, I can't go "prove me wrong, or else I'm right." You know why? Because that's stupid, you can't prove a negative.


Any unexplainable event is just that: An unexplainable event. When you say "God did that" then you're just pulling an explaination out of thin air, when in reality you don't know how the hell it happened. Again, logically speaking (Using the principle of Occam's Razor), it's errorous to add things to an equation that only serve to complicate things.

Again, that doesn't prove that the Bible is the infallible word of God, or much of anything for that matter. It's no big secret that a lot of people aren't reasonable or logical thinkers, who knows why people do what they do half the time. I could speculate, like you, but all it would be is speculation. It certainly doesn't constitute as proof of the Bible's infalliblity or the validity of believing in mystical wonder-lands.

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Shikamaru

Lily, dont blow up and embarass yourself by saying something idiotic like you usually do back to my post cuz im not attacking you ....this post.

I myself, dont know what religion i fall under but, as you can tell from my posts here i am very-well educated in both evolutional theories and Christianity. Knowing the religions helps any argument you may or may not have against it, alot of the things you have said are not part of the christianity religon (or any other religion for that matter).

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Originally Posted by Kear Bear I believe that catholicism, protestantism, orthodoxy, gnosticism, etc. are just ways of worshipping God. I believe that God loves his children despite what way of how they worship him. I am Methodist with a few Gnostic beliefs, but I'm afraid I cannot call myself either. I also cannot call myself a religious person.

I agree with most of what you said. God doesn't care if we're Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist or whatever. As long as we take the Bible as truth, believe and accept Christ, and understand that Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

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Originally Posted by Lily229 But how do you know they were fake? I'm tossing out ideas that everyone has views on how the world came to be. As I've stated several times before, that our minds were not created to understand somethings and perhaps this is one of them. With God isn't anything possible? *shrugs*

Don't be stupid. The DaVinci Code starts being fiction as soon as you open it. Everything that it has listed as "facts" is either twisted or completely untrue. Do you think the Priory of Sion is real? Try doing some research.

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all of the ppl who voted for heaven

are going to hell