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Old 01-21-2009, 11:33 AM   #3136
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Also, Pain doesn't know what Gai is fully capable of. Who's to say Gai simply doesn't go six gates when pressured and OHKO summoner Pain? Summoner won't use his salamander either unless presented with certain situations, so...
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:38 AM   #3137
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

now that i think about it, gai and gara alone could do those four peins.

EDIT: we said before that the fight is yahiko and summoner pein vs gai, kimimaro, gara and neji.

yahiko aka god pein is the only problem here, summoner not so much. those pein summons are huge and gara would stab through them with his gigantic sand impaler, no problem there.
gravity explosions and pulling forces that yahiko pein does are troublesome. but if gara stays behind, gai, kimimaro and neji go forward then and destroy the summoner body.
gara provides protection from behind with the sand.
but if gravity pein decides to guard summoner by staying close to him and blasting enemies away then they just send cs2 kimimaro as bait, when kimimaro gets blasted gara can impale yahiko pein with his sand from underneath.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:40 AM   #3138
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Neji and Kimi would be utter nightmares to the one or two Paths that are weak against taijutsu, and summons are taken care of.

Though, I think Rocket Pain would be real trouble for Gaara and Kimi.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:56 AM   #3139
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why would rocket pein be trouble for gara and kimi, they both have hard defense? i heard something that rocket pein has lasers, if thats the case then he might be trouble.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:56 PM   #3140
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

This is the problem with debating who would be beat what. Its nothing but assumptions and you guys are just spounting about what IF ??

All i can say is Pein killed Salamander hanzou ( who beat Oro, Jiraya and Tsunade ) and he killed HM jiraya. Both fighters whom are far superior that the team you came up with.

But with Gaara Having the Shukaku as a condition they have a chance. not a good one but w/e.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:00 PM   #3141
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This is the problem with debating who would be beat what. Its nothing but assumptions and you guys are just spounting about what IF ??
Yes, but those What If's are sometimes backed up.

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All i can say is Pein killed Salamander hanzou ( who beat Oro, Jiraya and Tsunade ) and he killed HM jiraya.
A>B>C logic doesn't always work, and it doesn't here either, since A) we don't know what Hanzo was capable of, and B) The Sannins weren't even at their peaks.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:08 PM   #3142
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Yes, but those What If's are sometimes backed up.

A>B>C logic doesn't always work, and it doesn't here either, since A) we don't know what Hanzo was capable of, and B) The Sannins weren't even at their peaks.
well this *this sometimes they're backed up * scenario ain't happening here.

That goes both ways. Can you prove that Gai,kimimaro,neji and Gaara team is superior to a young Oro, jiraya and tsunade squad ??

Salamander Hanzou was known all over the shinobi world at the time as one of the top dogs. Im taking what the maga says about him at face value, the same way i do Madara. The same can't be said about anyone in your team.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:13 PM   #3143
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No, I can't prove that a team of young Sannin who weren't at their prime are > Gaara, Kimimaro, Neji, and Gai. Since we never technically saw what they could do during that time, but I can make assumptions (reasonable ones) that Jiraiya didn't have HM, Oro didn't have things like Edo Tensei, extreme regeneration, and his body transfer technique, and Tsunade never had Genesis Rebirth. If they had those things, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that they would have lost to Hanzo.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:16 PM   #3144
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

i will just add that gara is a kazekage and gai, kimimaro and neji are strong jounin level.
they are very strong, still maybe they could not beat all six peins because that is a very difficult task but they could take on at least four bodies.
gara is the strongest in that group.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:19 PM   #3145
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You know, I'm over here arguing, and I never even gave my opinion on which side would win. xD
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:22 PM   #3146
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Jiraya trained with the toads from a young age, way before he fought hanzou so its more than possible that he had HM at the time since they never showed him back at myobokuzan as an adult. Oro not having Oral rebirth, ill let that slide. But than again They lost. Hanzou is like hashirama, we know he is a beast of a nin but we have no idea what he can do. Hell throw madara in that pile. So all we can do is take what the maga says at face value, neither of us can provide hard evidence.

Gaara was named Kazakage so the counsil could keep him on a leash. He doesn't have the shukaku anymore so most likely his powers have dropped severly. But for the sake of the Match he has the shukaku in this scenario.

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Old 01-21-2009, 04:29 PM   #3147
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Eh, this has gotten too messy, with too much speculation from all of us. >.>

Here's one:

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke vs Jiraiya and Itachi.

I'm sure at full force, the right team would rape the left team, so I'll have to handicap'em.

Jiraiya cannot use HM, and Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi. This fight is relatively IC, besides the fact that they have no reason to fight each other.
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kishi said that gaara still has his sand powers btw
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

^yes, gara is still strong, we just dont know how much chakra he has...


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Here's one:

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke vs Jiraiya and Itachi.

I'm sure at full force, the right team would rape the left team, so I'll have to handicap'em.

Jiraiya cannot use HM, and Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi. This fight is relatively IC, besides the fact that they have no reason to fight each other.
dont handicap jiraiya and itachi, whats HM?

jiraiya and itachi would win so hard....it would be a good fight for a couple of seconds
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Old 01-21-2009, 05:06 PM   #3150
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dont handicap jiraiya and itachi
Why not? While Sasuke is touted to have better eyes than Itachi, or potential to, that remains to be seen. And while Naruto mastered something Jiraiya couldn't, Jiraiya is still more versatile with his techniques.

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whats HM?
Hermit Mode. It's Jiraiya's inferior form. Naruto has SM, Sage Mode, because he's been stated to be a true sage.

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jiraiya and itachi would win so hard....it would be a good fight for a couple of seconds
Seconds? Dayum.
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