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Old 03-20-2009, 12:34 PM   #3766
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Chyo & Sakura take it.

Puppet masters of Chyo's calliber are extremely deadly, specially if their opponents have never faced or don't know anything about puppets. Every weapon is oozing poison that can kill with a simple scratch. Lee and Gai are fast, but not fast enough to scape needle barrages which puppets are capable of machine gunning. Throw in Sakura as a support ninja and the odds are even greater in Chyo's favor.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:38 PM   #3767
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Chyo & Sakura take it.

Puppet masters of Chyo's calliber are extremely deadly, specially if their opponents have never faced or know anything about puppets. Every weapon is oozing poison that can kill with a simple scratch. Lee and Gai are fast, but not fast enough to scape needle barrages which puppets are capable of machine gunning. Throw in Sakura as a support ninja and the odds are even greater in Chyo's favor.
Unless Lee and Gai can out last Chyo till she dies or pull a Naruto and get underneath them. I dont see them winning
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:43 PM   #3768
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Unless Lee and Gai can out last Chyo till she dies or pull a Naruto and get underneath them. I dont see them winning
Gai and Lee are overrated because of Gates. Puppet masters are underrated because Sasori was the first Aka to die. Sasori was insanely powerful, but kishi had to give him the worst possible opponents. An old lady with decades of puppet combat experience and knowledge of his puppets along with a great arsenal of her own, and a girl who is a med specialist with antidotes which saved their lives.

Sasori is like Hidan and Deidara. Without knowledge ( Or in Deidara's case Sharingan haxx) their opponent's chances go down significantly right off the bat due to the surprise factor.
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Gai and Lee are overrated because of Gates. Puppet masters are underrated because Sasori was the first Aka to die. Sasori was insanely powerful, but kishi had to give him the worst possible opponents. An old lady with decades of puppet combat experience and knowledge of his puppets along with a great arsenal of her own, and a girl who is a med specialist with antidotes which saved their lives.

Sasori is like Hidan and Deidara. Without knowledge ( Or in Deidara's case Sharingan haxx) their opponent's chances go down significantly right off the bat due to the surprise factor.
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/265/05/
a pupeter is weak in close combat

http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/264/16/
chyio doesnt use neddels, she uses kunais in small number

witch of chiyo's pupets use poison? (stated in the manga)

proof that sakura can hit a fast moveing target as lee/gai
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a pupeter is weak in close combat
Thats why they stay behind the puppets. Lee and Gai are fast but so is Chyo when it comes to controlling her puppets.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/268/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/268/06-07/

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witch of chiyo's pupets use poison? (stated in the manga)
Father puppet, you can see the trace amounts of poison on his tail blade.

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proof that sakura can hit a fast moveing target as lee/gai
Sakura is a support ninja Chyo will be in the drivers seat.

Lee and Gai have to get past Father & Mother puppets and after that, if they make it that far how do they combat chikamatsu no shuu : performance of ten ??

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/272/10-11/

These 10 were able to hold back 100 puppets.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/273/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/273/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/273/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/273/06/

Lee and Gai's arsenal is limited to taijutsu only, even tough they are masters at it. Chyo on the other hand has the advantage of many puppets with numerous weapons and, perhaps most important factor in Chyo's side is the element of surprise. A Puppet can have weapons hidden anywhere.

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Old 03-20-2009, 02:00 PM   #3772
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Thats why they stay behind the puppets. Lee and Gai are fast but so is Chyo when it comes to controlling her puppets.
pupeters are not close range
chiyo clearly stated that. sasori build hiruko just for the purpose of countering that and still got hit (yeah by chiyo/sakura combo, but he is still the best pupeter in the manga)
no mather how fast a pupeter is close combat is his weakness.

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Father puppet, you can see the trace amounts of poison on his tail blade.
where?

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Sakura is a support ninja Chyo will be in the drivers seat.

Lee and Gai have to get past Father & Mother puppets and after that, if they make it that far how do they combat chikamatsu no shuu : performance of ten ??
so for the start there will be a 2v1 fight betwen a pupeter and 2 clse combat masters?
i smell blood
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These 10 were able to hold back 100 puppets.
the colection of 10 was build to work together.
sasori performance of 100 was build to overwhelm.
two diferent purposes, where 10 won in conjunction with sakura
10 targets are a smal number for lee/gai.
not even vacuum would pose a problem for those 2.

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Lee and Gai's arsenal is limited to taijutsu only, even tough they are masters at it. Chyo on the other hand has the advantage of many puppets with numerous weapons and, perhaps most important factor in Chyo's side is the element of surprise. A Puppets can have weapons hidden anywhere.
we know what the pupets can do
the father mother have limited arsenal as they are primary build for "enertaiment" (chakra shields, fingerthreads, swords)
the colection of 10 is even less armed. as at the time they where build pupets where limited/new in the ninja world.
the only one witch could pose a threat is the one with chakra blades
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:19 AM   #3773
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

OK, lets move on: six paths of Pein, Sasori, Kakuzu (team akatsuki invaders) vs Itachi, Naruto, Kakashi, Tsunade, Gai, Jiraiya, Yamato (team Konoha defense)
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The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel.

Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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OK, lets move on: six paths of Pein, Sasori, Kakuzu (team akatsuki invaders) vs Itachi, Naruto, Kakashi, Tsunade, Gai, Jiraiya, Yamato (team Konoha defense)
team Konoha defense should win for sure..
I will divide here team in two.
1. Naruto..n Jiraya..together can easily take out pein..
2. Itachi..Yamato..kakashi..can easily take sasori n Kakuzu..
Itachi alone can tak out sasori..one tsukomi n he his done..
yamato...n kakashi...together awsome...
Yamato using his woods wll trap kakuszu...thn kakashi with 5 chidori on kaksuzu..n he his history...
Tsunade as med ninja..no need for her to fight..ne one who gets injured is easily healed.....since tsunade is princess of med ninja she can alone handle two team at once..
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team Konoha defense should win for sure..
I will divide here team in two.
1. Naruto..n Jiraya..together can easily take out pein..
2. Itachi..Yamato..kakashi..can easily take sasori n Kakuzu..
Itachi alone can tak out sasori..one tsukomi n he his done..
yamato...n kakashi...together awsome...
Yamato using his woods wll trap kakuszu...thn kakashi with 5 chidori on kaksuzu..n he his history...
Tsunade as med ninja..no need for her to fight..ne one who gets injured is easily healed.....since tsunade is princess of med ninja she can alone handle two team at once..
You're right, I made team Konoha too strong. Ok then, It's

six paths of Pein, Sasori, Kakuzu vs Naruto, Jiraiya, Itachi and Tsunade
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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You're right, I made team Konoha too strong. Ok then, It's

six paths of Pein, Sasori, Kakuzu vs Naruto, Jiraiya, Itachi and Tsunade
Here too..team Konoha..
here goes my strategy..
Itachi will go kakuzu...so he is a goner in blow..use tukomi again...kakuzu cant even use is hardenin capability...so one oppenent out...
Now naruto will fight sasori...one FRS...he is out...even sasori uses 100 pupets naruto will create 1000 bunshin..so he is goner ne how..in mean time jiraya n itachi can tk out pein...Tsunade here again med ninja...
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are kyuubi mode/boss summons/SM/HM alowed ?
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Here too..team Konoha..
here goes my strategy..
Itachi will go kakuzu...so he is a goner in blow..use tukomi again...kakuzu cant even use is hardenin capability...so one oppenent out...
Now naruto will fight sasori...one FRS...he is out...even sasori uses 100 pupets naruto will create 1000 bunshin..so he is goner ne how..in mean time jiraya n itachi can tk out pein...Tsunade here again med ninja...
Ok, now my strategy for akatsuki : Kakuzu separates his masks so he becomes five, Sasori summons 100 puppets plus kage puppet with the iron sand control, six paths of Pein are there as well - Hell realm is near the Hungry ghost so he can be protected from ninjutsu.
Deva realm pulls in Tsunade into their group so they can gang her first, Sasori and Kakuzu go long range on Jiraiya, Naruto and Itachi. Other realms go frontal because they are expandable, Hell realm and Hungry ghost stay behind and revive them later.

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are kyuubi mode/boss summons/SM alowed ?
No kyuubi, boss summons and SM allowed.
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are kyuubi mode/boss summons/SM alowed ?
Even without tht team konoha wins.....if tht is alowed thn almost naruto alone can handle all of thm..with help frm jiraya or itachi...
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Even without tht team konoha wins.....if tht is alowed thn almost naruto alone can handle all of thm..with help frm jiraya or itachi...
wrong

kyuubi isnt usualy alowed
boss summons might pose a threat
SM/HM are great (HM means ma/pa are here and can perform frog song)
w8ing for confiramtion that jiraya can use hm

invaders win
naruto is only usefull in sm, but pain can take him out (here he is going for the kill from the start)
jiraya the same
itachi is only good against kakazu
tsunade is useless (sasori uses atrition, rest are medium/long range fighters)
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