Myth

all jutsu use chakra chakra doesn't disappear once u add ur element to it and element without chakra isn't a jutsu its just an ablity to use it such as naruto's wind without chakra its nothing more then gust which can slice add chakra to it and u have a jutsu... same thing for katon without chakra there is no katon u use 2 things ur element and ur chakra to create a ninjutsu every elemental ninjutsu has part chakra part element... this is str8 from the manga......
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proof like ur proof that raiton is stronger then futton... thread/

if i am a horrible troll then why reply to what i say lol since u catch my trolling.. so either ur an idiot who thinks im trolling just because i embarass u and prove all of your posts wrong.. or ur an idiot who falls for this terrible trolls acts.. either way u look like a dumb ass get it...

btw trust me there 5 times another 10 who don't ever agree with u stop sucking up to Vengeance he dislikes u too he called u a moron plenty of times. but i guess he's a narutard as well...

Silverblade

Wow. A battle is going on here about how chakra is used in Naruto.

I thought the manga present you diagrams throughout the whole manga to show you how chakra works. -_-

Recomposing your chakra into your nature element gets you an element of course (LIKE IF ITS WIND. THEN ITS WIND.).
To get your second element. It requires training.

A jutsu with no chakra isn't a jutsu. Since all jutsus has to be performed with some form of Chakra.

Chakra is the structure of energy.

New fight

Deidara v. Shikamaru, Neji and Rock Lee.

liondemon

Neji's eyes can see through his chakra bombs, same as Sasuke. Neji wont see them coming as fast as Sasuke would, but would still at least see anything and everything Sasuke saw. Shika can hold him still which Lee kicks the shit out of him. But if Deidara uses his big explosions that dont leave u enough time to run away, Neji may be the only one to live by rotating and hopefully not taking the full effect of the blast. Without his weights, i wonder if Lee can run away fast enough to avoid death. Shikamaru is short. Deidara loses due to Neji's eyes to guide the team unless Deidara uses the bomb he used on Team Gai or in Sasuke.

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Ninja Assassin

redexploit

Son, this fight needs an entire thread to itself.

And there are too many unanswered questions. For instance, if Myth were supported up by every single person on the forums, does that count as assistance or PNJ? Would that discredit a victory?



In other news:
@WTF? - Although not its intended purpose, there is nothing to suggest that Ino couldn't use Mind Transfer during a fight to have an onlooker take on her opponent. Although you also made reference to Mind Body Disturbance Technique, which probably would be more effective. Regardless, I wasn't suggesting a serious tactic that Ino could employ. Instead my main point is that Ino is more useless than a peace treaty between KYF and Myth.

Note: Myth and KYF- I'm not hating on your back-and-forth disagreements. In fact, I enjoy reading your posts, so by all means, please continue!!

Myth

trying to explain to him that all ninjutsu have chakra behind them is like trying to explain to a 1 year old 1+1 =2.

Deidara would eat them alive, while neji's eyes can see the chakra in the bombs he doesn't posses skill like sasuke to fight deidara none of them do he also doesn't work with genjutsu so he can't trick deidara nor can he fly since he has no wings or snakes..

Deidara unless u give em the adv of knwoing his abilties and having coutners like shika did with hidan then its close but deidara would still win.

Konnaha_yellow_flash

[QUOTE=Myth;1697027]Sighs, are you really that dense? Once chakra is transformed into an element, its no longer chakra. And because FRS is just a rasengan with fuuton incerted, its still a rasengan which is just pure chakra for crying out load.

Look:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/339/16-17/ See that ball in the middle. Thats the pure chakra part of the FRS which is the rasengan part.

Where in the hell did you get "the FRS is just a wind jutsu"?

Raiton is more effective than fuuton, not stronger. Even though fuuton can overcome raiton, raiton is still more effective.
For instance:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/08/ It takes a S ranked fuuton jutsu just to cut a human in half.

Meanwhile:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/13/ A basic raiton jutsu can cut a freaking robot in half. Andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/114/04/ Raiton can cut or pierce anything, while fuuton cant. Like thishttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/20/ The sand jounins attackhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/09/ couldnt even server a limb, lol.

^Proof raiton is more effective than fuuton.

I have no problem with vengence, just the couple of hypocritical narutards that whine constantly about my posts instead of proving something.

And lmao, the Mods dislike you with a passion myth. seriously, a couple narutards might not like me, but the staff of Mods dont like you so I feel better, lol.

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

Myth

Frs is classified as a futton jutsu its an elemental ninjutsu it has a new rank and everything its no longer a regular rasengan. som im gussing Sliverbalde is wrong as well.. its funyn everyone says ur wrong on this chakra thing but yet u keep pushing ur false stuff. once again any elemental ninjutsu has chakra in it without chakra it wouldn't happen.. kataon is made by using fire element and chakra to make a ninjutsu out of it part chakra part element same goes for everything else.. i don't see how its hard to understand its manga fact that all ninjutsu have chakra behind them there is no chakra going away lol. im not even trying to make fun of u now im honestly trying to make u get that ur completely wrong.
once again u post some stuff but ur wrong its manga fact that wind>lighting in everything just like fire>wind in everything ther eis no ifss buts ors etc etc wind>lighting.
futton can slice through anything PERIOD as stated in the manga asuma made his wind powered kunai go through a tree and could have made it go through a boulder.. peircing and slcing.. which is why wind>lighting .. u see the problem u say u post proof but its not proof its ur weird way of thinking.. if its says in bold letter wind>lighting that means the author obviously wants it that way.. just like he wants sasuke's fire to be stronger then wind... u can't argue manga facts and then say u provide proof to everything shit like that is what makes people make fun of u... nobodies is out to get u its just the shit that u post is fucking stupid NO OFFENSE.

nobody whines they just say ur wrong which u most of the time honestly are.. u may not have a problem with vengeance but he sees as does everyone else that u clearly talk out of ur ass most of the time.. if u didn't nobody would reply to u and instead thank ur posts and agree with u.. which is never the case and no its not only a few members don't play urself its the entire active naruto section.. every member who has been active here has called u an idiot at least 1nce.

the staff might not like me but nobody likes you not here and not in the spam zone.

Dagoro

Deidara stomps. Seriously, c2 would reduce these 3 to ashes. Neji is the only one who would ( maybe, a big fucking MAYBE ) survive a blast. Even if his kaiten can withstand c2 blasts ( which are a hell of a lot bigger than the kunai shit Neji has deflected in his previous fights ) Neji can't kaiten for ever.

The only way i see the trio taking this is if Deidara starts on the ground, 3 feet away while they surround him and with no clay in his hands.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

[QUOTE=Myth;1697040]FRS is still half a rasengan myth, WFT? its only an elemental jutsu because it has some wind in it, lol. ANd if silverblade thinks the FRS no longer consists of pure chakra from the rasengan then yes.

ANd I posted manga evidence proving Raiton is more effective than fuuton. its a supirior sutting weapon, fact so get over it or prove me worng.

As always you have no proof, just your bias oppinion. Well, your oppinion<manga panels!

futton can slice through anything PERIOD as stated in the manga asuma made his wind powered kunai go through a tree and could have made it go through a boulder.. peircing and slcing.. which is why wind>lighting .. u see the problem u say u post proof but its not proof its ur weird way of thinking.. if its says in bold letter wind>lighting that means the author obviously wants it that way.. just like he wants sasuke's fire to be stronger then wind... u can't argue manga facts and then say u provide proof to everything shit like that is what makes people make fun of u... nobodies is out to get u its just the shit that u post is fucking stupid NO OFFENSE.

Lightning is weak against wind, but raiton is a more effective cutting tool. And asumas chakra blade with wind went through a tree, lol. not just wind!

Meanwhile, manga panels show it takes an S ranked fuutn jutsu to cut a human in half and its takes a B ranked jutsu to cut a robot in half.

Prove wind can cut through anything! Because its fact only raiton can pierce or cut earth style like kakuzus iron skin.

Again, manga panles>your oppinion!

Im disliked because I dont sit around suck off naruto and overglorify his circumstantial assisted victories, lol. Im in a naruto favored forum, what did you think would happen

Actaully, its only the narutards who dislike me and I could care less, seriously.

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

Myth

http://www.leafninja.com/jutsu.php as u see the element is powered by chakra. chakra doesn't magically disappear after u use ur element lol i don't know how u even think this way.. here's an example.. without chakra garra's sand would be useless, he uses his chakra to harden the sand thus using it as a weapon..u get it no if chakra magically left garra's sand which is the earth element it would fall apart.. same thing for kakuzu's armor he uses his chakra to power his earth element and encases himself with it like a shield.. without his chakra kakauzu's armor would be useless

basic Raiton jutsu??????????????????????????????????? ????????????????? kakashi's raikiri is S ranked looll.. see what i mean by u giving wrong panels always u don't even know the full guide of which rank is which yet u talk so much... and he didn't cut him he pierced HIM.

Lightning Blade
Character Use: Hatake Kakashi
Rank: S
Range: Close (0m ~ 5m)
Type: Attack
Note: Listed by different rank than Chidori in official databook.

u do realize that Baki's wind sword just completely obliterated that ninja right? u see wind doesn't need to pierce u to kill you as raiton does... wind can just as baki did engulf u in its path and u die..

U just provided a link that dug ur hole even bigger lloll all baki did was engluf him in his wind blade and that guy died... if that were sasuke he'd be dead to

u see that from the data books itself.. not only did it say in the manga that wind>lighting its in the data book as well. *note it says SPECIALIZED OFFENSIVE TYPE..

Wolverine

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG LOL

This has to be the fight of the century...

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Wolverine

LOL yeah that was what I was hinting at. But seriously, most of her clan's techniques are used for spying purposes and to extract info from opponents. I don't see her using it successfully to defeat an opponent.

And here I thought Tenten was the worst.....

Thats an interesting metaphor there...LOL

Seconded. Their unmatched bickering skills make for high octane posts which keep the whole forum entertained...

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Myth

btw that last post is the last time im posting on the chakra subject any one who thinks elemental ninjutsu loses its chakra after u add ur element into it isn't worth arguing with... especially when the members already agreed with me so sorry KYF.

Wolverine

Hey no....go on...

That debate is insanely humorous and keeps us all entertained...

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maddog

This too is Seconded...

i don't ussually go through 3 pages reading all the posts one by one (Well, except Dagoro's Prediction Posts. or we can call them "Naruto" by Dagoro). but KYF vs Myth is a classic!

I vote that we start a new thread with just their topic about Chakra, Elements, and Jutsus. (and add Samehadas absorbing/eating chakra into the mix. i think that's what started the debate 3 days,or more, ago.)


@WTF??

almost forgot. is Neji the only Jounin in their batch? isn't Shino also a Jounin? i wanna check that out though...