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Old 07-19-2010, 05:32 PM   #8251
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The Fourth could be outmached by VERY few shinobi... this is pretty much manga fact. The only shinobi that could defeat him are konoha-nin or former members like Madara. The only exception to this is Nagato... and of course the Rikudo Sennin.

Raikage would be destroyed with ease, his Raiton armour would only offer minimal defense to the instant teleportation of Minato.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:08 PM   #8252
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Minato can beat Raikage I don't know why KYF is making this a big deal.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:37 PM   #8253
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Minato can beat Raikage I don't know why KYF is making this a big deal.

Really? You don't?
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:12 AM   #8254
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On the basis of reflexes alone... Raikage is "comparable" to Minato. Nowhere does it say that his refelexes surpass those of Minato. Add to that FTG level 1, and FTG level 2 and Raikage is more or less history...
My god dude, read the manga panel Ive posted liek 9 times alreadyhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page003.html
"rais reflexes are comparable to the yellow flashes yet these guys are almost keeping up. However, with raiton armour on AMPLIFYING his reflexes not even the SG is going to be able to keep up"

Clearly saying the raiton Armour is amplifying his already comparable reflexes. "and on top of that hes still...." is clearly refering to rais ability to increase the level of his raiton armou and thus, increase his reflexes and speed even futher beyond the level thats already above the yellow falshs reflexes as described beforehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page008.html
and thus not even a T/S katon ninjutsu can catch him as well as be tracked by the SGhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page012.html
andhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

So obvious rai in base mode like herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page003.htmlclearly shows compareable reflexes (and thus speed as kishi seems to be referring to by reflexes) however, once in raiton armour his reflexes are amplifyed even further making regular raiton armour rai>minato in reflexes..
However, super mode rai (raiton armour activation at 100% its max)>>minatos reflexes and thus shushin speed...
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amateratsu is not T/S. Lololololololol.
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My god dude, read the manga panel Ive posted liek 9 times alreadyhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page003.html
"rais reflexes are comparable to the yellow flashes yet these guys are almost keeping up. However, with raiton armour on AMPLIFYING his reflexes not even the SG is going to be able to keep up"

Clearly saying the raiton Armour is amplifying his already comparable reflexes. "and on top of that hes still...." is clearly refering to rais ability to increase the level of his raiton armou and thus, increase his reflexes and speed even futher beyond the level thats already above the yellow falshs reflexes as described beforehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page008.html
and thus not even a T/S katon ninjutsu can catch him as well as be tracked by the SGhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page012.html
andhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

So obvious rai in base mode like herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page003.htmlclearly shows compareable reflexes (and thus speed as kishi seems to be referring to by reflexes) however, once in raiton armour his reflexes are amplifyed even further making regular raiton armour rai>minato in reflexes..
However, super mode rai (raiton armour activation at 100% its max)>>minatos reflexes and thus shushin speed...
Darui says, "The speed of Raikage-sama's nervous system and reflexes are comparable to those of the Yellow Flash." This could also mean that it is possible only when the Raiton armour is amplifying his reflexes and nervous system.

If Raikage's reflexes were so good, he wouldn't need to use the Raiton armour right off the bat. He would rape Sasuke as it is, and only if required, would he then later use the Raiton armour.

I personally believe that only with the Raiton armour on are his reflexes comparable to Minato. That still doesn't validate the point that he can beat Minato considering pure reflexes cannot do jack shit against FTG which is instantaneous.
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Minato vs Raikage

Minato is fast in base mode, Raikage is fast in base mode
Minato is fast using shunshin, Rakage is fast when using Raiton Armor
Minato has FTG which is an S/T Jutsu. Raikage has no S/T Jutsu
Minato is strong but not superhuman strong, Raikage is a pure brute, one punch could kill
Minato has other jutsu options,rasengan, frogs, seals, death god jutsu, Raikage has pure wrestling close combat taijutsu
Minato has average human size, Raikage is a big target
Minato has a brilliant mind, Raikage is nuts.

Minato would raep Raikage. Minato 8 - 2 Raikage.
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Not to mention he probably wouldn't notice FTG level 2 right off the bat. Raikage avoided Amaterasu because he knew it was coming. He saw Sasuke activate Mangekyou and bleed from his eyes. SO yeah, he moved out of the way before Sasuke's jutsu could focus in on him. FTG level 2 is different because it's hard to predict and because it is a space time transfer, Minato goes from point A to Point B without a second being wasted.

If Minato and Raikage do a stand off and charge at each other, Minato would still throw his Kunai... Why would Raikage focus on that? He has no reason to. Tobi didn't focus on it either and he has sharingan and know about Minato's technique. Before Raikage smashes in Minato's chest, Minato would appear to that Kunai soaring above Raikage and then drop a Rasengan (Minato would have to pick a better target, but from above, he has access to the neck and head of Raikage).

If Raikage had more to work with than we could evaluate this fight more. But he's just a lone infantryman, very straight-up. Nothing wrong with that because he's fast and he has one hitter quitters, but a style like that won't work too well against Minato.
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Okay I have one.

Current Naruto against Haku and Zabuza.
They all have knowledge of each other, fight is on the "Great Naruto Bridge" 50m away from each other.
Naruto is in Sage Mode, and has 3 clones preparing chakra for him. [No control over the Kyuubi yet, but still with his basic control.]

Current Sasuke against Haku and Zabuza.
Full knowledge of battle capabilities, fight is on the "Great Naruto Bridge" 50m away from each other.
Sasuke has his Sharingan activated.[MS and Susano'o, but no EMS yet.]

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Just one thing, in a Raikage vs somebody debate, saying the Raikage is nuts/crazy/emotional is not really valid, considering that it has been shown that he was like that (mostly) due to the situation.
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Darui says, "The speed of Raikage-sama's nervous system and reflexes are comparable to those of the Yellow Flash." This could also mean that it is possible only when the Raiton armour is amplifying his reflexes and nervous system.

If Raikage's reflexes were so good, he wouldn't need to use the Raiton armour right off the bat. He would rape Sasuke as it is, and only if required, would he then later use the Raiton armour.

I personally believe that only with the Raiton armour on are his reflexes comparable to Minato. That still doesn't validate the point that he can beat Minato considering pure reflexes cannot do jack shit against FTG which is instantaneous.
Hunh?? It clearly described rais reflexes compareable to minatos then goes on to say, but when wearng raiton armour thos said relfexes are amplified which si why not even the SG should be able to follow. And still....... the raikage can increase the leve of his raiton armour reflex activation which he did and became a super saiyan with instant shushin speed which no one has yet to show other then him.

@Ninjalostboy:
A T/S jutsu is difined as a jutsu that controls of defies time and space...

The amaterasu is a katon jutsu in which the user can SUMMON the flames onto the target by focusing as well as banish them in the same manner making amaterasu a T/S katon jutsu.....
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Amateratsu is not a T/S jutsu get over it.

Edit: I think that Naruto will win against Haku and Zabuza due to his superhuman strenght and sensory.

Sasuke will win bacause he can use raiton and Katon possibly melting the mirrors and shocking Zabuza.

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Amateratsu is not a T/S jutsu get over it.

Edit: I think that Naruto will win against Haku and Zabuza due to his superhuman strenght and sensory.

Sasuke will win bacause he can use raiton and Katon possibly melting the mirrors and shocking Zabuza.
Regular old Katon couldn't do crap to Haku's mirrors, because the mirrors are the fused Ice element. Amaterasu could beat them easy though. If he has Susano'o, it's not even a contest. Either way, it's not even a fight. Both Naruto and Sasuke would completely wreck those two.
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Oh my bad then I was using IRL terms but I forgot it doesn't apply in Naruverse <No sarcasm.
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it is valid i tell you, Raikage is nuts, and because he is nuts, he will charge at minato at all cost. He has lost an arm to Sasuke just to bruise him, He is willing to leg drop an already prepared Sasuke for a kill which could have gone wrong for him. With Minato's level of battle wit, Raikage with a brain substituted with his triceps would be obliterated.
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