Tsukuyomi

question is can he keep up with naruto kyuubified speed i think not. agaiest oro his transformations sky rocketed and he hates itachi and kisame just as much knowing that they want capture him. however this will never happen but since the thread did say all out i started this whole thing naruto 4 tails againest kisame naruto would win and this part was said all out nothing saying how long transfomations and shit naruto is already in kyuubi form let's assume that kisame will lose.

MikeyM1979

I doubt it. If 4 tails were dangerous against Orochimaru, it'd definitely be a huge danger against Kisame. But again, Kisame knows not to allow him to transform. That's pretty much a given that Kisame wouldn't allow him to transform. He could have done so back during part 1 when he and Itachi met up with Naruto, but he quickly sliced through and totally stopped Kyuubi's chakra flow.

Oh. Sorry, I didn't even see that. I just saw someone mention Naruto and Kisame, I didn't know there were any conditions set for the fight.

Naruto starting w/4 tails would beat Kisame to a pulp. I can't imagine Kisame's Samehada fending off against his attacks, nor can I imagine Kisame having the speed to really do much of anything against Naruto.

Under normal circumstances, though, in the Naruto world, without any conditions to give Naruto the advantage, Kisame would beat Naruto.

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blake

u guys arent really giving kisame any credit. we havent seen anything he can really do and ur saying hell lose automatically to the 4 tails. i might be wrong but didnt kisame take out the 4 tails all by himself

katonha

I still don't agree or disagree with you on Kisame losing to 4 tailed Naruto. There is still to much unknown about Kisame's abilities to guess that we have seen all he can do, because we have to remember that we saw him fight at 30% and not 100. That is a big gap to say that Kisame would lose. I am hoping that he will prove me right in the series.

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MikeyM1979

Really? You guys know nothing of his abilities? Have you guys been watching the episodes of reading the manga? Because I do remember him showing a few times what he can do. Even if not at 100%, we've seen things he can do in actual battles. So we judge based on what we know, not what we think we don't know.

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blake

all we saw him do was create water and do a shark jutsu. u cant really use that to make a judgement.also the water prison

Tsukuyomi

he uses suiton to fight 3 jutsu that we have seen from zabuza and sharks and most liekly more sution thats all he can do.

MikeyM1979

Oh right, so his skills of eating chakra with his Samehada don't count. As well as the fact that his sword is extremely durable, and will only allow itself to be used by him. And that it shaves. And that he has super strength. And that he has massive chakra. And that on water, he's hella fast. And that he has a butt load of water based jutsus, which we've seen some of. And that he can create underwater sharks. The fact that he's an Akatsuki member, and will most likely be hard to kill, and is most likely quite experienced.

Yeah, there CERTAINLY isn't enough there to make any sort of judgement.

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blake

ok i forgot samehada. and hes fast on water, alot of ninjas are fast on water.and i really dont think that is enough.

MikeyM1979

He's used the water to be faster than any normal ninja. o_O

Still? Well, I guess we're different. That's enough to make some form of judgement, not just decide to not make any judgements.

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Tsukuyomi

oh really name me one.

blake

itachi when he was confronted by kakashi, kurenai, and asuma. thats the first one i really thought of

Tsukuyomi

tsk tsk tsk *sigh* my firend itachi is fast on his own like that it's his speed and that's not even 100% of his speed so anyothers now that we know itachi is a non factor.

blake

u asked and i answered. any ninja can be fast on water if hes fast on land too

Tsukuyomi

yes but we have not sen any other than kisame to bad for you.