Vengeance

Why are you rejects always trying to argue a point when there isn't one to be made? It's really fucking simple skill has nothing to do with things like strength or speed. Like really now do you dumbarses even know what the word skill even means? Kurenai's genjutsu is done by executing different hand signs while Itachi's are executed through the eyes or fingers. A different form of execution doesn't equate to greater skill.

What part of speed has nothing to do with actual skill don't you understand? I swear the retards on this forum can be fucking annoying at times.

Guess you failed to grasp the concept of my analogy. I pointed all of this out already moron.

How do you know if Itachi is smarter than Kurenai? I mean really now how do you know this? How does this even relate to what I was referring to in my post? You sound like fucking KYF right now.

& you know this how? Last time I checked Itachi used his sharingan to reverse the genjutsu he was caught in by Kurenai. Without the Sharingan how exactly is he supposed to reverse it?

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Deidara fight, saving the village? Dont remember exactly how he looked, but i do know it really fucked him up

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NeoKakarott023

From what I saw, he wasn't even breathing hard, the first surprized or anything negative look I saw on Gaara during that battle was when Diedara's explosive clones came out, and was mixed all with his Ultimate Sand Shield, right after that, he was out cold, prior to that nah, nobody tired out Gaara. The point of Anime Fans delusions were that Rock Lee actually had a shot at defeating Gaara, at that time, lol. Rock Lee vs. any Jink, is laughable. I'd give him an outside shot at the fake one, thats a wannabe Naruto, but certain characters aren't allowed here so I won't even say his name.

stubborn_d0nkey

Of course lee had no chance at winning

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AniMeFaN

your'e right, different form of excution can equate to better skill if the form of execution is superior. kurenai has to weave hand signs and itachi immidiately saw it was genjutsu being cast and reversed it, itachi doesnt even have to do anything but lift a finger or use his eyes and people dont even realize a genjutsu was even cast. seriously all the manga feats itachi has done he is clearly superior in skill, power, and intellect.


i dont know maybe when they fought he was thinking 10 steps ahead while all she did was cast a genjutsu. kakashi smarter then her as well because he also is thinking muliple moves ahead

AniMeFaN

no one said he did, this retard just likes to go off topic about shit no one is even talking baout because he doesnt even realise. he thinks all jounin are created equal, he thinks gaara after getting beat up and laying on his back using a sand move that got stopped by the strongest jounin in konoha eeasily equates to no genin can defeat a jounin. he cant understand that the point of me saying lee could beat kurenai with out being able to use genjutsu is to show that neji with his byakugan who could probably see through genjustu based on all the manga feats we have seen would be in a similiar scenario and can do quite well against kurenai but he cant understand that.

AniMeFaN

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/082/17
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/082/18
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/082/20
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/083/3
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/083/4
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/085/13
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/085/14
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/086

just some of the many panels of gaara being surprised, hurt etc since you cant remember. also lee with the gates open has power that far surpasses a normal jounin.

NeoKakarott023

#1 I never stated that one time, some Jounin are better than others in different areas, thats obvious.

#2 Listen to what you're saying, Gaara's advantage was his sand, Lee's was his speed, don't talk to me about power and Rock Lee, VERSUS A JINK THEY'RE GALAXIES AWAY ON LEES BEST DAY ON THE EARTH. My proof, Rock Lee inside the magnificent gates you seem to be addicted to, perfomed Kinjutsu vs. Gaara. Rock Lee was unconsious, then had an emergency surgery to save his broken bones and it could only be performed by the greatest known Medic in the manga, thats how fucked up he was. Re-read the manga, or watch the anime, GAARA WALKS AWAY UNCONCERNED. Did he hobble, limp, wipe away sweat, anything at the end? Just because the characters you dig hit they're opponent with 1 move, or whatever moves, what happened at the conclusion is most important, everybody gets hit. And know that the same power that defended Suna vs. Deidara's ridiculous bomb, was inside of Gaara at the same time, and Lee woulda did what? His 'famed' gates would have to own 2, Gaara & his Bijuu. If Jinks were so weak why would villages want one? According to you all they need is a bunch of Rock Lee's ROFLMAO!!!

#3 Isn't even worth discussing, ITS JUVENILLE. You set up the world like we're dueling monsters, then you take the abilities from Kishi's character, because you don't like what he wrote in his databook, you don't take anything away from the monsters on your side of the battlefield, and in that fantasy world everything is even and fair. Why don't you pull out a field spell like Skyskraper for Rock Lee while your at it?

#4 Shows me that not only are you someone how fanticizes too much, but you're also LAZY. You've been popping this shit about Hyuugas for 2 days as if they're immune from genjutsu, and haven't even looked anywhere to find proof. Then you continue your arguement as if its fact, now heres what I found about Hyuugas....

When the "Byakugan" is activated, the clan member gains an extra-sensory perception, which gives them penetrating sight and telescopic vision. This allows them to see the tenketsu; the internal chakra coils system 361 pressure points. This vision also grants the member a near 360° view of their surroundings, the higher the skill of the clan member, the further the distance from which they can sense incoming attacks. Unfortunately the vision does have a weakness, a small blind spot that extends outwards from the vertebra of the upper back.

The clan uses this ability in conjunction with their own chakra creating the Juuken (gentle fist) fighting style. The clan member can use their fingers or palms to emit chakra to flow into their opponents body's at the tenketsu points. When the hand draws close enough to strike, the clan member can stop or increase their opponent’s chakra flow. The internal chakra coils which spread throughout the body also wrap around the internal chakra producing organs. So if the internal coils are attacked, it also damages these internal organs. Because a ninja can not train their internal body, such damage can be a critical hit for even a highly skilled ninja. The tenketsu serve as the connectors and exit points for the chakra pathways. So when they are stopped by the Hyuuga clan member, the ninja greatly loses his or her ability to utilize their chakra for jutsu."

Now all of that is sexy, but more to the point where is your proof of Hyuuga's being 'genjutsu immune', just one thing in ink, ANYWHERE PLEASE. Stop assuming that people will look up shit you're spewing, this is being televised, your validity while not very high initially is dropping at mach speed with this entire conversation. Just letting you know, sometimes people don't know they're falling on the way down.

Vengeance

Its funny how people are bashing Kurenai's use of genjutsu when her only example is against the fucking genjutsu god of this manga. There exchange went like this.

1. Kurenai cast a genjutsu which catches both Itachi & Kisame.

2. Itachi reverses the genjutsu.

3. Kurenai brakes the genjutsu fast enough to dodge & blocks hits from Itachi.

Final: Basically it ended in a stalemate trons.

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NeoKakarott023

Its called stupid math. Itachi was considered the 'Genjutsu God', MORE BECAUSE OF HIS SHARINGAN THAN ANYTHING ELSE. Uchiha's were seen as great with regard to genjutsu, but after the Uchiha Massacre there have been only 3 'true' Uchiha's left. So if some other character uses Genjutsu they can't be as good by birth because of the sharingan.

Dumb logic, additionally Kurenai has been around since the beginning of the manga, and wherever she's from, or whatever happened to her clan hasn't been discussed. Say whatever you want about Itachi's exchange with the Jounins, none of them were trying to kill Itachi, they were attempting to capture and detain him, and from the looks on their faces at the giddyup they knew it would be a tall order. They all looked like a Mike Tyson opponent back in the day, shelled before the first bell said ding.

Regardless, Itachi is one thing, Rock Lee though? The same dude that Gaara had to save his life because his lamed ass Jackie Chan Drunk Technique was starting to get him skewered by Kimmimaro?

What this dude ain't even thinking about also is that bijuu can seemingly heal their Jinks, or take tons of damage for them. Every Jink that has fought besides the ones grabbed by the Akatsuki, check them out 'after' the battle, their wounds gone, stamina back, heck Hachibi complained about losing several tentacles, and KB was kicking it.

For Rock Lee, and Gai, those Gates while sexy to some, are death sentences. The higher you go, the closer to death you come, and when the Crackhead moves are completed, if you're opponent is still standing, 'like Gaara', WTF do you do then? Its not even worth posting a panel of Gai after his highest gates to date vs. Kisame, he was carried to the Alliance.

Anime Fan, list all of these Jounins that Rock Lee pwns because of these Gates, and please manga faktz, stop trying to make everyone come to your Fantasy Land. What you're stating Kishi never wrote, ANYWHERE. Your assuming because you like him, definition FANNING.

stubborn_d0nkey

I dont think the sharingan gives an inherent ability to counter all genjutsu, or at least the impact of the ability is not persistent throughout genjutsu types. I think it mostly affects visual-based genjutsu, I dont see a reason why it should have effect other genjutsu (as much) too. Though Uchiha might be more likely to have higher genjutsu potential(countering non visual-based) but thats just presumptuous.

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Lol, if someone does the same thing faster than you than he is more skillful, how is that debatable? You think it's the same thing if Itachi casts his genjutsu in half a second and Kurenai needs a whole second to do it. Well, it's not the same, it means Itachi is actually more skillful at casting genjutsu than Kurenai.
I could use an analogy from real life here, but there are too many of them. Just think of something you're good at and imagine there's a guy who does the same thing two times faster. You should say that he is more skillful because it takes more skill to perform something fast than it does to do it slow. It's harder to be precise for the guy that is doing things faster and that takes skill.
What part of it takes skill to do something fast you don't understand.

How do I know...how about the fact Itachi can plan far ahead in his fights and is never caught off guard. Kurenai can also probably do some good thinking, but Itachi is one of the smartest characters in manga. He was playing Madara, Konoha, playing with Sasuke so he can defeat Orochimaru plus attack Madara through Sasuke. Put a fail safe in Naruto in case Sasuke gets corrupted by Madara. That is some serious planning ahead.
And how it does relate, well a smarter person will use genjutsu more efficiently.
Kurenai got free by biting her lip lmao. I think Itachi could break free out of that genjutsu without sharingan since he is so good at using genjutsu so that means he has experience. On the other hand Kurenai would be in his genjutsu before she does those hand seals if Itachi is seriously fighting her.

So now he is a god of genjutsu, well we all know that. I am not saying Kurenai is weak, it's just that you guys were comparing Michael Jordan with a decent basketball player here. You were comparing Micheal Schumaher with some guy that also drives formula one. You were comparing Maradona to a decent football player. And so on.

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NeoKakarott023

We're getting way off topic here, Kurenai vs. Itachi was created by Anime Fan because of what Kishi put in his databook about her being on par with Itachi. Now on par, dosen't mean that Kurenai is better than Itachi at everything that is genjutsu, but it says to me that she would be a formidable opponent to him with her skill, moreso than anyone else Non Uchiha is what I got from it. This is proven because Kurenai attacked first against Itachi, it was simply reversed because of his obvious greater skill gained from battling more opponents, and also the sharingan hax. Kurenai on another occasion from my memory killed 2 shinobi with genjutsu, so bum she is not. Is all of this to say that she's above Itachi, no, but pitting her against Genin Level Characters I wouldn't even call disrespectful, I'd call it retarded, simply retarded. I'm not questioning whom is better between Itachi & Kurenai in the area of genjutsu from whats been seen, but one can't escape from the lack of jutsu's shown by her character, and add together the stats Kishi gave her, and assume that she's a nobody. Kishi's stats place her in the least 2nd behind Uchiha's in the story, I haven't seen Kishi compare any other character to Itachi in this area. If her son gets Asumas wind afinity as well as her genjutsu abilities, he has the tools become a monster.

kael03

I'm not going to tear apart what superninja just posted. But I'll counter with "Kishi has stated Kurenai and Itachi are of equal skill in genjutsu in the databook entry I posted". Which, by the way, was made AFTER she fought Itachi, or else the comparison wouldn't have been necessary.

Wolverine

I think digression is necessary here. How about a new fight?

Kakashi vs Darui?

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