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Old 08-18-2011, 06:12 PM   #10171
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Come to think of it, even though Itachi, Naruto and Bee were attacking Nagato at the same time, he was doing nothing to attack Itachi and in stead just focused on the other two. The situation was unfair to Nagato, but in a one-on-one situation, he definitely could beat Itachi. It's not too difficult to comprehend really.

Saying that Itachi owned him is not as unanimous or absolute as it is being made to seem here. Nagato never focused on Itachi, if he had, the situation might have been different. Plus, it took the strongest attacks of all 3 to negate Nagato's Chibaku Tensei.

P.S. What's with people first calling Pain, Pein and now Nagato, Negato???
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P.S. What's with people first calling Pain, Pein and now Nagato, Negato???
Pain relates to the 6 Paths of Pain. Nagato is the human behind the 6 Paths of Pain. We call Nagato because his name is Nagato while when we want to relate to the 6 Paths we call him Pain. Hope that helps.

Edit: You mean the spelling of the name? When it was first translated some idiot put Pein instead of Pain. Guess they didn't know how to spell? Why people call Nagato Negato I have no clue.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:25 PM   #10173
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You're correct, what actually happened when Nagato 'woke up' from his Amaretsu sleep, he went HAM calling out Chibaki Tensei, and yes Itachi had the mindset of destroying it while it was still small, but it took ALL 3 Techs to blow it up, therefore anyone thinking Itachi's tech alone could've destroyed it is prolly very wrong IMHO. At the point he Shinrai Tensei's KB's ass to a different part of the battle arena, and he makes the comeback and gets his chakra owned, then he dismisses him and goes to Naruto in the blink of an eye. KB tries again and gets grabbed by the mechanical arm.
Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it".

And even if itachi's yasha mangatama couldn't destroy it from below it would inside chibaku tensai because itachi would get sucked to the center allowing itachi to destroy it from there and in sasanoo is unable to be crushed. So either way itachi himself could get past CT.

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Now during all of this dumb assed Kabuto has forgot that Itachi is free, and roaming around, and spends no time on him, not too smart huh? Thats Kabuto's mind, not Nagato, he wasn't controlling himself. So in Vs. you'd have to put the mindset into Nagato with the mentality he had before Rainbow Talk screwed him. I dig Itachi, and his fans can believe all day that he could defeat Nagato its just not an honest assesment.
In a one on one fight, both healthy its going to be:

Nagato: with gedo mazo, but not performing as well as he did against the jinks because he cant absorb KBs most powerful bijuu human form which clearly made a difference judging by his performance there and the other against danzous root and hanzous men.

Itachi: with the crow with shisuis eye (its his fuck naruto) and the three treasures equipped to his sasanoo.

in the same setting, Itachi can take nagato IMO. Nagato uses no bushins and itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.
Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.
Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo. And we already saw what happened to chibaku tensai.

And not to mention nagato showed no real intelligence in any of his fights. Hes more like naruto just using his overwhelming power to defeat his enemies. In fact, kabuto had nagato performing better then we have ever seen him perform (or it was the hachibis massive chakra boost).
Nagato can't over power itachi with his intelligent use of bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo. Nagatos tactics wont work against itachi in a one on one fight.

Itachi beat nagato twice. He showed amaterasu can hit nagato and HG realms power cant absorb it. He had to use ST which still left nagato so messed up he was falling apart literally. Sword of totsuka works for him and his summons as well IMO.

nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health back plus some with the hachibi boost and just surprised naruto.
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Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it"

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He say lets hit it at once with all of our most powerful attack= lets combine our power to kill it.

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itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.
Nagato is faster. He doesnt need to use any handseal. He can change it at his will. He can use several path or all path at the same time.

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Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.
A bushin puff when being attack. He cant suck anything that puff at a mere attack.

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Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo.
And you're assuming Nagato have no other jutsus beside his path? Ok lets talk about susanoo. How long can Itachi maintain Susanoo? Nagato have been shown to have a massive chakra supply and he can suck chakra form other beings if he need to replenish. Your fav ninja Itachi even mention, every jutsu have a weakness. What makes you think Nagato cant trap Itachi in that black ball that needs the full power of the nine tails to break free?

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1st he beat a sick man and when Nagato is healthy it took him and two jinks.

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nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health
Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?
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Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?
Lol probably rebuild the village, lmao
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Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it".

And even if itachi's yasha mangatama couldn't destroy it from below it would inside chibaku tensai because itachi would get sucked to the center allowing itachi to destroy it from there and in sasanoo is unable to be crushed. So either way itachi himself could get past CT.



In a one on one fight, both healthy its going to be:

Nagato: with gedo mazo, but not performing as well as he did against the jinks because he cant absorb KBs most powerful bijuu human form which clearly made a difference judging by his performance there and the other against danzous root and hanzous men.

Itachi: with the crow with shisuis eye (its his fuck naruto) and the three treasures equipped to his sasanoo.

in the same setting, Itachi can take nagato IMO. Nagato uses no bushins and itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.
Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.
Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo. And we already saw what happened to chibaku tensai.

And not to mention nagato showed no real intelligence in any of his fights. Hes more like naruto just using his overwhelming power to defeat his enemies. In fact, kabuto had nagato performing better then we have ever seen him perform (or it was the hachibis massive chakra boost).
Nagato can't over power itachi with his intelligent use of bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo. Nagatos tactics wont work against itachi in a one on one fight.

Itachi beat nagato twice. He showed amaterasu can hit nagato and HG realms power cant absorb it. He had to use ST which still left nagato so messed up he was falling apart literally. Sword of totsuka works for him and his summons as well IMO.

nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health back plus some with the hachibi boost and just surprised naruto.
Stop, Nagato was Kabuto's puppet, thats whom was fighting, Kabuto. Nagato's techs were used, take the same Nagato that killed Hanzo, and had Naruto skewered to the ground, after turning Konoha into a parking lot... put THAT Guy in the head of Nagato, and you let me know who wins that fight, and be for real. I need say no more.
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He say lets hit it at once with all of our most powerful attack= lets combine our power to kill it.
Where did itachi say "we have to combine our power if we are to kill it"? All itachi did was make sure he used every resource possible to stop CT. Its better to use too much power then not enough.


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Nagato is faster. He doesnt need to use any handseal. He can change it at his will. He can use several path or all path at the same time.
Lol, nagatos able to use his jutsu simultaneously which is why they are fast. However, itachi despite not have such an ability can create jutsu at such high speed the enemy cant even track them with the SG.

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A bushin puff when being attack. He cant suck anything that puff at a mere attack.
Karasu bushins dont! Point still being nagato alone has to use direct attacks and can be fooled by bushins.

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And you're assuming Nagato have no other jutsus beside his path? Ok lets talk about susanoo. How long can Itachi maintain Susanoo? Nagato have been shown to have a massive chakra supply and he can suck chakra form other beings if he need to replenish. Your fav ninja Itachi even mention, every jutsu have a weakness. What makes you think Nagato cant trap Itachi in that black ball that needs the full power of the nine tails to break free?
Has nagato ever shown the ability to use any other jutsu then the elemental he learned from Jman or his 7 RG abilities? No! I can play that game too and assume itachi has a shit ton more of godly jutsu, but thats not how VS works.

Agreed every jutsu has a weakness, but its up to the ninja to figure said weakness out. Nagato has no feats of intelligence or analytical skills even remotely similar to itachis. SO how is nagato supposed to figure out a weakness in sasanoo without the intelligence and analytical skis necessary to do so?

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1st he beat a sick man and when Nagato is healthy it took him and two jinks.
It was itachi, KB and naruto vs chibaku tensai not nagato..

Itachi blinded nagatos summons, rescued the jinks from him then merced him using actaul ninja tactics.....


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Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?
Nagato was sick because he was puring his chakra into six separate bodies using the chakra rods from gedo mazo. ANd last I checked using mega ST nearly killed nagato forcing konan to have to come to his aid.

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Stop, Nagato was Kabuto's puppet, thats whom was fighting, Kabuto. Nagato's techs were used, take the same Nagato that killed Hanzo, and had Naruto skewered to the ground, after turning Konoha into a parking lot... put THAT Guy in the head of Nagato, and you let me know who wins that fight, and be for real. I need say no more.
Nagato was using a more effective use of the RG's power in six separate bodies from a great distance which allowed nagato to avoid harm. As the six paths of pain nagato was clouded in secrecy and using indirect tactics against his enemies which made him far more effective.

Nagato on his own showed only the ability for direct attacks which are risky in combat (against danzou, hanzou and now the jinks). The six paths of pain>nagato due to use of more effective tactics.
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[QUOTE=Konnaha_yellow_flash;1962969]Where did itachi say "we have to combine our power if we are to kill it"? All itachi did was make sure he used every resource possible to stop CT. Its better to use too much power then not enough.




Lol, nagatos able to use his jutsu simultaneously which is why they are fast. However, itachi despite not have such an ability can create jutsu at such high speed the enemy cant even track them with the SG.

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Karasu bushins dont! Point still being nagato alone has to use direct attacks and can be fooled by bushins.



Has nagato ever shown the ability to use any other jutsu then the elemental he learned from Jman or his 7 RG abilities? No! I can play that game too and assume itachi has a shit ton more of godly jutsu, but thats not how VS works.

Agreed every jutsu has a weakness, but its up to the ninja to figure said weakness out. Nagato has no feats of intelligence or analytical skills even remotely similar to itachis. SO how is nagato supposed to figure out a weakness in sasanoo without the intelligence and analytical skis necessary to do so?



It was itachi, KB and naruto vs chibaku tensai not nagato..

Itachi blinded nagatos summons, rescued the jinks from him then merced him using actaul ninja tactics.....




Nagato was sick because he was puring his chakra into six separate bodies using the chakra rods from gedo mazo. ANd last I checked using mega ST nearly killed nagato forcing konan to have to come to his aid.

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Nagato was using a more effective use of the RG's power in six separate bodies from a great distance which allowed nagato to avoid harm. As the six paths of pain nagato was clouded in secrecy and using indirect tactics against his enemies which made him far more effective.

Nagato on his own showed only the ability for direct attacks which are risky in combat (against danzou, hanzou and now the jinks). The six paths of pain>nagato due to use of more effective tactics.
So is your answer that Itachi begins the fight off the giddyup in Susanno?? If not how does Itachi #1 keep Nagato off him, #2 avoid Shinrai Tensei repeatedly, and lastly, how does he get Nagato to stand still so he could hit him with the Sword of Totsuka? None of that sounds logical, just like fanning.


We know Amaretsu does nothing, he can blast that away, and additionally if Nagato has summons out, he also see's what they see, so can Itachi cast a genjutsu that'll fool all his summons and himself. I'd think Nagato could even fake, to allow Itachi to believe his doujutsu actually caught him, then find a way to dog him, just my take. The one thing you don't account for is chakra tanks, and EVERYBODY knows that Nagato's > Itachi's, thats just fakt. You can never beat math, no way Itachi could last with Nagato, at all.

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So is your answer that Itachi begins the fight off the giddyup in Susanno?? If not how does Itachi #1 keep Nagato off him, #2 avoid Shinrai Tensei repeatedly, and lastly, how does he get Nagato to stand still so he could hit him with the Sword of Totsuka? None of that sounds logical, just like fanning.
Itachi doesn't have to start in sasanoo since he can activate in the faction of a second that Kirin strikes.
1. Genjutsu, bushins, MS jutsu ect ect. Take a pic. Nagato has speed of jutsu not high physical speed like itachi and sasuke with they're SG's plus shushin.

2. ST or BT can be avoided through genjutsu and bushins.

3. Nagato is one person! He doesn't use bushins and can't see through clouds of smoke or solid objects like the SG can. Using the dust cloud from the CT blast was clearly apart of itachis strategy to hit nagato with the sword of totsuka after blinding his summons so they can't see the sword coming fro him.
Nagato wasn't plot sitting, he had no reason to be running or on guard when he saw no danger until he was already hit.

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We know Amaretsu does nothing, he can blast that away,
LMAO, so nagato didn't get burned so bad he was literally falling apart hunh?http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/15
Amaterasu would almost kill nagato if it hit him because it clearly takes time for nagato to be able to exspell it using ST. Amaterasu=fat ladys singing fro nagato.

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and additionally if Nagato has summons out, he also see's what they see, so can Itachi cast a genjutsu that'll fool all his summons and himself. I'd think Nagato could even fake, to allow Itachi to believe his doujutsu actually caught him, then find a way to dog him, just my take. The one thing you don't account for is chakra tanks, and EVERYBODY knows that Nagato's > Itachi's, thats just fakt. You can never beat math, no way Itachi could last with Nagato, at all.
Itachi within a couple seconds of seeing nagato fighting noticed his summons see for him as well which is why he blinded them.
U forget that itachi studies his opponent abilities, form a strategy then takes them out in one combo attack. Meanwhile nagato charges in with direct attacks merely trying to over power his enemy which wont work on someone like itachi who uses bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo if all fails.

And How does nagato larger stamina=win for him? U know that itachi doesn't fight for long periods.. He ends his enemy with a quickness just like deidara and Oro twice. Sasuke only lasted so long because itachi wanted him to.

And again in this fight itachi showed he wipes his opponent out with a quickness when he stomped nagato in no time flat like everyone else.

Ur acting like an awesome hax alone like the RG is enough for an average shinobi like nagato to beat itachi. Completely disregarding itachis Brilliance in combat with tactics and strategy, his super sasanoo with the 3 treasures that wont even let nagato hurt him and shisuis Kotoamasukami itachi rightfully gets to use as his own in any fight since it was given to him and itachi made it applicable Via one of his Crow summons plus the MS with the Tsukuyomi that can beat nagato whether his summons are watching or not because its instant.

All that>the RG.
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You my friend, are an idiot.

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Nagato has speed of jutsu not high physical speed like itachi and sasuke with they're SG's plus shushin.
1. Nagato is fast

2. Even if Itachi faster, Asura path have rocket boots.

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Nagato is one person! He doesn't use bushins and can't see through clouds of smoke or solid objects like the SG can.
Since when Sharingan can see through solid objects?

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LMAO, so nagato didn't get burned so bad he was literally falling apart hunh?http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/15
In that page we see

1. Ama can burn stuff

2. Nagato wants to get burn

3. Then Kabuto control him and he repels it.

In a vs, when nagato saw that black fire he will repel it first then run away

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U forget that itachi studies his opponent abilities, form a strategy then takes them out in one combo attack. Meanwhile nagato charges in with direct attacks merely trying to over power his enemy which wont work on someone like itachi who uses bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo if all fails.
So does Nagato. He knows his opponent first before jumping, unless there is no time to do that. He knows Jiraiya and prepared for him. He knows Jiraiya cant perform genjutsu and he didn't prepared for the toad song. When the toad sings he got caught by surprised.

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And How does nagato larger stamina=win for him? U know that itachi doesn't fight for long periods.. He ends his enemy with a quickness just like deidara and Oro twice.
And Nagato also fight for quick wins. He doesn't play with his opponent. He will finish them quickly and wont pull any punches.
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Unless earth doesn't count as object (correct if only anime), Sharingan can see through shit as long as there's chakra to make the "x-ray" light up. Of course, unlike the Byakugan which can see the whole picture inside out no matter what.

But to help kluang out; The Rinnegan can spot invisible barriers and chakra gatherings if I'm not mistaken. If you won't take this, which I know you wouldn't:

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when pain gonna fuck konoha he use the rinenngan to spot the barrier

and nagato can sense amaterasu

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and maybe all of itachi japanese god jutsus
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Sharingan cannot see through shit just gives colour meaning to chakra. If an opponent hides behind a wall sharingan cannot see through the wall except byakugan
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Sharingan cannot see through shit just gives colour meaning to chakra. If an opponent hides behind a wall sharingan cannot see through the wall except byakugan


Sure, k-lai. And now I'm supposed to believe the page in the spoiler above never happened, it's fan art?

@kluang: I'm seriously doubting sensing the heat pressure emitting from Itachi's eye implied Jutsu, or specifically Sharingan Jutsu detection power. The kid died about a chapter later. Wouldn't you think it's a bit weird introducing another Rinnegan/Nagato hax, only before killing him 1 chapter later. A horrible death not to mention also. I call bullshit based on this.

What I'm trying to say is, my definition of 'sense' is what every actual skilled ninja out there can. I'm pretty sure other men(seriously, men) familiar with Itachi and his ways would've come up with that correct explanation for the sudden pressure change because they know.
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