MikeyM1979

Yeah but those moves are different from what Naruto and Sasuke can do. Those sand moves are meant to crush. Different. Kimimaro was pretty much there to show that there was another to job against Gaara.

Well, yeah. They would die pre, but not post.

I know! lol I never said pre-time skip Naruto and Sasuke could beat Kimimaro. Post time skip, they'd annihilate him.

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Ehh.. Gaara should be useless against Kimimaro, because if Kimimmaro was caught in a sand burial, Kimimaro would just manipulate his bones.

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Gaara was useless against Kimimaro. Well not totally. I mean, his large sand attacks forced an already into CS1 Kimimaro into CS2. But still, Gaara hit him with everything he had, and Kimimaro still came back to finish the job. Gaara's crushing sand simply wasn't strong enough to crush Kimimaro's incredibly dense bones.

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If Kimi didn't have that sickness, and had to rush on his part because he was starting to cough up blood and all, Kimi would have won against Gaara for sure. I think we all agree on that. What i don't agree on is, that Lee said luck is a part of strength. Luck is something that is completely uncontroled, for the most part. Gaara just got extremely lucky in their fight, that is all.

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Madara vs Pain ?

I think Pain would kick him =p

Ultimate Ninja Nidaime

I don't know since we don't know anything about Madara's fighting style. The only thing we can guess is that he was the one summoning Kyuubi which makes him a skilled shinobi. And beeing able to summon such an overmighty beast holding the most intense chakra in the Naruto-World is impressive and indicates that he'd kick Pein, not the other way around.

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Madara vs Pain

*sighs* We'll just be basing this fight off of what we've seen from Kakashi, Sasuke, & Itachi for Madara & thats not fair. This fight can't really be done yet but I'll just say this. Madara would pwn Pein in straight up Taijutsu based on experience. Even if it was a 6 on 1 Taijutsu fight (assuming Pein can control all 6 bodies at the same time. He's currently using 3 according to spoilers). While Pein has the power of youth & superior abilities in every other department. Make your own call on a victor.

Long live Lord Pein!!!


Edit: New fight

Pein's summoning body only vs. Orochimaru (Healthy)

I'm wondering how people think Orochimaru would fair against this body. Sense this is the only body we've seen Jiraiya face yet. & it seems clear at least to me that Jiraiya already kind of beat this body. Sense Pein summoned 2 more bodies as a precaution. Meaning he's changing his strategy because his current one wasn't working. Allot of people consider Jiraiya the best sannin(I don't) how would the second stringer fair?

I may get into details later if people respond to this fight but for now I'll simply pick my winner. Orochimaru.

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MikeyM1979

Pein would win. He's the leader for a reason, and it's not for his pleasant manners. Pein's summoning body can pull summons out of his ass all day it seems, while Orochimaru's strongest snake summon most likely can't take all the summons Pein can dish out. Though the interesting part would be if Oro decided to use Edo and summon some ubor shinobi. Pein's summons would swallow them whole, or crush them, and they'd still be able to fight.

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yeah he's the leader for a reason but its only 1/6 of his true power if you think about it. I'm not talking about a full powered Pein here. He's not allowed to summon his other bodies as aid like he's doing with Jiraiya.

Orochimaru has many snakes of different sizes don't forget not just Manda. & btw Manda was stronger then bunta. Lets also not forget about his Hokage summoning. Oro can ride on Manda while the 1st & 2nd ride on Oro's other huge snakes. The Hokages would be a huge aid to him in this fight. Lets also not forget that Oro can also use many forms of long ranged ninjutsu.

Peins chameleon summon did nothing but hide. Orochimaru's snakes may be able to sense its presence by tasting the air in the same way the midget toads did with there tongues. He may be able to find Pein allot faster then Jiraiya did.

The lesser snakes would handle Peins crab in the same fashion as Jiraiya's hair.

On to the Hell hound summon. This thing gave Jiraiya serious trouble. It can split apart & re-form itself. Ok But Orochimaru can summon smaller snakes when it splits up to attack each hound. Then along with the 1st & 2nd Hokage they could all use long ranged Ninjutsu to destroy it.

The giant bird summon would also cause problems for Orochimaru. But if Manda can wrap himself around it I think he would be able to kill it. But thats only if.

Now lets say Manda is hurt after killing the bird now comes the giant bull/ram. All this thing did was ram Jiraiya & couldn't kill him. Again a group effort with Oro 1st & 2nd along with snake summoning to slow it down can stop this.

Peins summoning ability is definitely impressive but with just summoning I don't think it'll be enough to stop Oro. It wasn't enough to stop Jiraiya after all. I think you're underestimating Orochimaru's ability mikey.

Ok I'm done editing this post.

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MikeyM1979

Those are bodies he controls. Where was it stated that each body contains an exact amount of his total power?

I know. But if Manda goes down, then Oro's summons will follow quickly. It took one Sharingan glance to catch and keep Manda in a genjutsu that eventually lead to his death. So it's possible Rinnegan alone, like Sharingan, can own summons also.

You mean the same lesser snakes who died during the Invasion Arc?

You're assuming Pein doesn't have equal to better summonings to match and counter Oro's lesser snakes. As for the two Hokages, Pein can just summon two Akatsuki bodies and have them take on the two Hokages, so it's still pretty much a 1 on 1.

And Pein's other, non animalistic summons wouldn't be of aid to him?

Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna add even the slightest of logic here, then we know the snakes can indeed taste the air, but not only that, they can see the heat in bodies. So uh, are Chameleons hot or cold blooded?

So? Pein has large summons and Akatsukis he can summon.

Nah, I don't think I am. This is the man who was owned by Sharingan twice. Not once, but twice. And the Sharingan is said to be inferior to Rinnegan. Also, remember that that summoning body isn't even Pein's actual body. Should he use his real body, and use Rinnegan, Orochimaru would be toast. After all, it is said to be able to create and destroy like nothing. And who's to say Pein's summon body can't just summon his real body and switch right there and then?

Nope. I'm not underestimating Orochimaru at all. Oro was always below Pein.

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ok listen its my understanding that the two bodies he summoned are in fact a part of his 6 & not just a random human summoning sense they both have the piercings. Also because so-called confirmed spoilers state they all share the same eyes. "The three share the images from each others eyes." So no he can't summon two Akatsuki bodies because I already stated he's only fighting with the "summoning body only" not any of the other six.

When has Pein ever Rinneganed an opponent while in his summoning body? Answer never. So no he can't do that to Manda. I'm comparing how Oro would fair in the same situation that Jiraiya has been in not a full powered Pein.

If there is any more confusion mikey I'll simply say this. Orochimaru would get pwned by a full powered Pein (all 6 bodies). The same rule applies to Jiraiya as well. But thats not what this fight is about.

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Kimmimaro is far to quick tho, Gaara has nothing on him for the fact that Gaara crushes bones mostly and crushes bodies and stuff and its obviouse kimimaro cant die to those attacks, but chidori,rasengan would prolly defeat him.

MikeyM1979

Anything he summons have piercings.

Um, if Orochimaru can summon all sorts of snakes and Hokages, then Pein certainly has a right to summon his most powerful bodies also. No handicaps.

Him not doing something doesn't mean he can't. That's like saying Kakashi can't use 1000 jutsus because we never saw him use them. >.>

Jiraiya is in a fight, pulling out all the stops, against Pein's summoning body, who summoned a butt load of beasts, and two Akatsuki bodies. Hm. If Jiraiya's not fairing too well, I highly doubt Oro would.

There's no confusion. Jiraiya will die against a non fully powered Pein. I doubt Pein is going to bring out all of his summons, and still manage to kill Jiraiya. He'll damn sure do the same to Orochimaru in the same situation.

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Ok mikey but what I posted was a handicap fight sense we don't know what Pein can really do. It was posted to get an idea of how Oro would fair against what Jiraiya has already faced (not including this weeks chapter). If you can't understand that then I can't help you.

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I understand. Still, if Orochimaru can summon whatever and whomever he wants, then Pein should be able to do the same. We already know he can summon all sorts of beasts, and has summoned two Akatsuki bodies. He has more bodies, so shouldn't just be limited to that one summon body. That's what I'm saying. Get it?

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