Science or God? - Page 3

Saru129 · 03-14-2005, 11:48 AM

Intelegent design

I believe in evolution guided by God's hand. so evolution happened because of God basically

toma24135 · 03-14-2005, 01:40 PM

personally I don't understand why more religious people don't have that opinion, because if you believe that then science and religion don'teven disagree.

Kagami Kyoji · 03-14-2005, 02:26 PM

So then do you believe in God or not? =/

Everyone acts as if God is some ficticious character woth 0 proof...it fact it is based off many things dating back way beyond the days of modern science...of course this is not to say that science was not around it was just not discovered yet...now is the same ideal...God has just not been discovered...YET! Thus, Religion and God are similar because you can always disprove but can never prove.

STRAY_WOLF · 03-14-2005, 04:12 PM

God and only god....

kakashi_00x000 · 03-14-2005, 06:24 PM

M Sasuke is my brother, and I also believe every thing he has said. Christianity is more of a relationship than a religon. God gave of us free will and wants a personal relationship with us. There is also plenty of proof that the events in the Bible are true, and the The Bible is the word of God and I believe every bit of it. The whole theory of evolution is so stupid...
I agree with Kagami Kyoji, God pwn5!!!

Kagami Kyoji · 03-14-2005, 06:31 PM

Wooo my main man...evolution is true although God did develop it as a way to naturaly evolve without getting too much involved with it himself...kinda like an automated program.

But yea God so Pwns...

toma24135 · 03-14-2005, 07:58 PM

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There is also plenty of proof that the events in the Bible are true

There are many events in the bible, and some of them may be true, ie there may have been a flood, although that doesn't mean that everything is true. And in this paticular instance there is no evidence that the entire earth was flooded.

So show me evidence that prooves that a meaningful event in the bible is true (ie something that would indicate the existance of a god, not that the sun rises in the east)

Meteorain27 · 03-14-2005, 09:33 PM

I believe that god created science which would do things for him. A lot of people disagree with me when they say humans are evolved from apes because in the Bible it said that they were just created, but what the don't understand is that the Bible never explains how they were created, they might as well just be created from apes. It could be that god created whatever created our atmospere (in science we learned that volcanoes just threw up gases which collected in the atmosphere, but your way works too).

DarkAztek · 03-14-2005, 09:41 PM

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Not being able to prove something is NOT a valid argument against something...can you prove that you are not dreaming right now? NO! Can you prove that other people have mind's? NO! Do you still BELIEVE? YES!

Sure it does. I think therefore I am. Because I have the ability to perform logic, I exist. Because my brain perceives something to exist, it exists to ME. That's all that matters. How do I know I'm not dreaming now? Because when I dream, I cannot actually feel textures and if I pinch myself, I really do wake up. I just did it now and I can feel everything and I didn't wake up. I am conscious.

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Everyone acts as if God is some ficticious character woth 0 proof...it fact it is based off many things dating back way beyond the days of modern science...of course this is not to say that science was not around it was just not discovered yet...now is the same ideal...God has just not been discovered...YET! Thus, Religion and God are similar because you can always disprove but can never prove.

There is no proof towards God other than that people believe in God. If I choose only to believe where there is solid scientific evidence, then there is no proof towards God or God's existance. And if God has not yet been discovered, then why has there been some form of diety since recorded history? To those people who believe in different gods, it exists to them.

Plus then there are the bajillions of fallacies about a God in any form... But I'd rather not get into some more advanced philosophical values.

ddt705 · 03-15-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkAztek

Sure it does. I think therefore I am. Because I have the ability to perform logic, I exist. Because my brain perceives something to exist, it exists to ME. That's all that matters. How do I know I'm not dreaming now? Because when I dream, I cannot actually feel textures and if I pinch myself, I really do wake up. I just did it now and I can feel everything and I didn't wake up. I am conscious.

There is no proof towards God other than that people believe in God. If I choose only to believe where there is solid scientific evidence, then there is no proof towards God or God's existance. And if God has not yet been discovered, then why has there been some form of diety since recorded history? To those people who believe in different gods, it exists to them.

Plus then there are the bajillions of fallacies about a God in any form... But I'd rather not get into some more advanced philosophical values.

ok all of this sounds scientific/superstitious.

orochimoru · 03-15-2005, 01:57 AM

i believe in nothing at the moment.its all bull to mean.

Kagami Kyoji · 03-15-2005, 11:27 AM

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Sure it does. I think therefore I am. Because I have the ability to perform logic, I exist. Because my brain perceives something to exist, it exists to ME. That's all that matters. How do I know I'm not dreaming now? Because when I dream, I cannot actually feel textures and if I pinch myself, I really do wake up. I just did it now and I can feel everything and I didn't wake up. I am conscious.

This surely solves nothing what if you were being fed impulses that made you think you pinched yourself? In a dream you do not know your dreaming...have you ever said to yourself in a dream..."Hey I am dreaming"...no!

And...cough...no it doesn't saying that something does not exist simply because you cant prove it is a bad thing to get started...even science could not be proved at one time and that simplistic minset that separates the thinkers from the down-to-earth people is what prevents new discoveries in both science and religion.

Basically, being unable to prove something at the moment does not mean you can't prove it later and does not make it unreal.

P.S. DA said nothing about the last comments I just threw those in there as well...this is for everyone else...

Sharingan K2kashi · 03-15-2005, 06:11 PM

You all should read a book called The Science of God. It proves that God and Science go hand in hand with points to back it up! I reccommend it, not only as a good book, but also because it has deep meanings

DarkAztek · 03-15-2005, 08:11 PM

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ok all of this sounds scientific/superstitious.

Perhaps because it IS.

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This surely solves nothing what if you were being fed impulses that made you think you pinched yourself? In a dream you do not know your dreaming...have you ever said to yourself in a dream..."Hey I am dreaming"...no!

So you mean placed in something like the Matrix? (And yeah, I have known I was dreaming in dreams. When that happens, I basically do whatever the hell I want.) That's more than simply dreaming then, isn't it? But in a dream, if you don't know you are dreaming, it is real enough to you at the moment, isn't it? That's what matters.

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And...cough...no it doesn't saying that something does not exist simply because you cant prove it is a bad thing to get started...even science could not be proved at one time and that simplistic minset that separates the thinkers from the down-to-earth people is what prevents new discoveries in both science and religion.

If you believe ANYTHING strongly enough, it CAN be real. I once worked with a mildly retarded kid who honestly believe that when he was eating STAPLES, he was eating chocolate. He would always somehow sneak it with him and his mouth would bleed and he'd be crying with from the pain, yet he would still insist on eating it because he thought it was chocolate. It was real enough to him.

God cannot be proved EVER. Want to know why? Even if God comes down from Heaven and begins the End of Days, his body a massive spectral flame in the sky, his voice booming with power, and all signs point to God existing... There will still be those that reject God. Why? Because they would honestly believe that what they are seeing is a trick, not true, and etc. People can ingrain certain thoughts into their heads. Try proving the existance of God to them.

I'm sounding repetitive (probably because I am

)... But real is real to you but it is not real to me. My real is real but is not real to you. Prove me wrong.

heartthrob_god · 03-15-2005, 11:26 PM

we should not consider God and science as two conflicting entities... science helps us out in explaining a lot of stuff and on improving our lives... you hav to believe in God since He is the Supreme being and without him there would be no basis for truth.... furthermore, science based on its definition only explains the natural events.... God, is within the supernatural realm... there's no way science can fully explain God's existence

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03-14-2005, 11:48 AM	#31
Saru129 Genin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tennessee Age: 23 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Intelegent design I believe in evolution guided by God's hand. so evolution happened because of God basically __________________ MONKEYS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which character are you test by Naruto - Kun.com

03-14-2005, 01:40 PM	#32
toma24135 Chuunin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MASS (Home), NY (College) Age: 27 Posts: 437 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	personally I don't understand why more religious people don't have that opinion, because if you believe that then science and religion don'teven disagree. __________________ -See the light that is your ignorance. -Physics and Math majors are cool. -See my artwork

03-14-2005, 02:26 PM	#33
Kagami Kyoji Jounin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lost in Translation...No Really! Posts: 855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So then do you believe in God or not? =/ Everyone acts as if God is some ficticious character woth 0 proof...it fact it is based off many things dating back way beyond the days of modern science...of course this is not to say that science was not around it was just not discovered yet...now is the same ideal...God has just not been discovered...YET! Thus, Religion and God are similar because you can always disprove but can never prove. __________________ L9I Anime Site L9I Anime Forums "To remove liberty from will is to remove morality from one's acts" Take The quiz yourself!

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STRAY_WOLF Genin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: U.k.glasgow Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	God and only god.... __________________ Take The quiz yourself!

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kakashi_00x000 Chuunin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: My basement! Age: 23 Posts: 420 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	M Sasuke is my brother, and I also believe every thing he has said. Christianity is more of a relationship than a religon. God gave of us free will and wants a personal relationship with us. There is also plenty of proof that the events in the Bible are true, and the The Bible is the word of God and I believe every bit of it. The whole theory of evolution is so stupid... I agree with Kagami Kyoji, God pwn5!!! __________________ -History is like an Endless Waltz in three-four time. The Never-Ending steps of War, Peace and Revolution. -\/\/HY (4n't w3 f33l wh4t 1t t4k35 f02 u5 t0 83 234l-why d0 w3 54y 4ll 0f th353 th1ng5 th4t 821ng u5 d0wn

03-14-2005, 06:31 PM	#36
Kagami Kyoji Jounin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lost in Translation...No Really! Posts: 855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wooo my main man...evolution is true although God did develop it as a way to naturaly evolve without getting too much involved with it himself...kinda like an automated program. But yea God so Pwns... __________________ L9I Anime Site L9I Anime Forums "To remove liberty from will is to remove morality from one's acts" Take The quiz yourself!

03-14-2005, 09:33 PM	#38
Meteorain27 Chuunin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Monroe,LA,USA Age: 21 Posts: 650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe that god created science which would do things for him. A lot of people disagree with me when they say humans are evolved from apes because in the Bible it said that they were just created, but what the don't understand is that the Bible never explains how they were created, they might as well just be created from apes. It could be that god created whatever created our atmospere (in science we learned that volcanoes just threw up gases which collected in the atmosphere, but your way works too). __________________ Member of Avatar the Last Airbender Fc

03-15-2005, 01:57 AM	#41
orochimoru Missing-Nin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: access denied Age: 29 Posts: 274 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i believe in nothing at the moment.its all bull to mean.

03-15-2005, 06:11 PM	#43
Sharingan K2kashi Genin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: erm...US Age: 22 Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You all should read a book called The Science of God. It proves that God and Science go hand in hand with points to back it up! I reccommend it, not only as a good book, but also because it has deep meanings __________________ ----Visit Me at NarutoCentral---- [img]http://mercury.walagata.com/w/sharingankakashi/AnimeXCommunityForumscopy.jpg [/img]

03-15-2005, 11:26 PM	#45
heartthrob_god Genin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philippines Age: 24 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	we should not consider God and science as two conflicting entities... science helps us out in explaining a lot of stuff and on improving our lives... you hav to believe in God since He is the Supreme being and without him there would be no basis for truth.... furthermore, science based on its definition only explains the natural events.... God, is within the supernatural realm... there's no way science can fully explain God's existence __________________

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