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Old 07-31-2007, 08:16 PM   #316
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Oh crap, I'm going dumb and blind then...

I think Orochimaru and Kimimaro have got this one.
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wheres the 4th he's a genuis and can i join?
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wheres the 4th he's a genuis and can i join?
Not sure about the fourth and I can't remember if he's been debated or not...But I do know that there will be no new additions to the list anytime soon so suggesting anyone at this time is pointless...

As for the battle of Orochimaru and Kimimaro .vs. Sasori and Kabuto...I've been thinking about it and im gonna have to go with Orochimaru and Kimimaro...I think that it would be a great fight and it would by no means be an easy victory....But I just think that Kabuto would fall first to Kimimaro and then him and Orochimaru could double team Sasori...In the end as all Sasori fights do it comes down to weather or not his opponents could dodge his posion and I think Orochimaru and Kimimaro can...
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... I just can't agree....

Because Trey makes an excellent point.

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As for the battle of Orochimaru and Kimimaro .vs. Sasori and Kabuto...I've been thinking about it and im gonna have to go with Orochimaru and Kimimaro...I think that it would be a great fight and it would by no means be an easy victory....But I just think that Kabuto would fall first to Kimimaro and then him and Orochimaru could double team Sasori...In the end as all Sasori fights do it comes down to weather or not his opponents could dodge his posion and I think Orochimaru and Kimimaro can...
I think Kabuto could beat Kimimaru, if luck were on his side and he was able to get passed his bones. Because if Kimimaru is true to canon, then he's dying... and who is his doctor? Kabuto. Kabuto would then be highly aware of Kimimaru's internal state and just what organs/systems to attack. If he does that, then he could possibly win.

But I give this to Orochimaru/Kimimaru, because I think Orochimaru could have defeated Itachi and Sasuke if he had never been interested in the sharingan and instead was attacking to kill. Well, that's my opinion until I see more from Itachi other than just standing there and pwning his opponents. X'D
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While this is true, I will show you my reasons.


Kishimoto made Akatsuki very unbalanced. Let me give you some examples.

Deidara. He can fly, and this alone is too much of advantage. He can, in theory, destroy every Hidden Village with just one fly-by-attack. Meaning, he flies, drops C3, he leaves. His C4 cannot be defeated if you do not have Byakugan or Sharingan, nor can his Self-Destruction be defeated if you do not use something as Manda to shield yourself. His Jibaku Bunshin (self-exploding Bunshin) cannot be avoided unless you have MS or again, a major summon.
Thus, only qualifying Sasuke to do the job.


Sasori. This one is sick. If you do not know hidden weapons and mechanisms of his puppets, you are as good as dead. His poison kills with one scratch, and it is impossible for everyone is this manga we have seen so far (fighting) to avoid every single Sasori's attack. Not even Chiyo, who has known and dealt with puppets all her life, could dodge it all. Now it gets better. I will not need to mention that he has 298 puppets, and can use 100 of those in the same time, because Sandaime Kazekage puppet is more than enough. His Iron Sand alone, not to mention all those other hidden weapons, is strong enough to penetrate the strongest defenses. And Satetsu Kaihou, the "World Model" of Iron Sand simply cannot be avoided without a scratch. If you do not have the antidote (which is clear you cannot have if you are not Sakura or Tsunade, and even them would need PnJ called alive Kankurou), you are quite dead.
None of the geniuses mentioned can defeat Sasori. Maybe Orochimaru, he would sure give Sasori a good fight, but win? I don't think so.


Kakuzu. He is not as powerful as the two mentioned above in fighting multiple opponents, but he is as deadly as they are in 1 vs 1 battles. He has every element, and can combine their attacks at will. He has 5 hearts, which can be separated from his body at any given time in the form of ghosts. He won't die from decapitation either, since ghosts can easily reattach his head again, like he did to Hidan. He is also near invulnerable with his Iron Skin, meaning that Neji probably cannot hit his tenetsu's either. He can be pierced by Kakashi's Raikiri and Sasuke's Chidori though. Then, he has his tentacles, and by grabbing anyone of the geniuses (maybe Neji excluded, because if he is able to Kaiten in that position, he can get himself out), he automatically takes their heart if he is not stopped by anyone on the Genius team. He also has an absolute defense, which Kishimoto did not even try to imply. He has 4 ghosts, and all of those ghosts can attach on his shoulders and watch every side of the world, literally. No one can approach him without being blown to bits.

Hidan is just one trick pony. One of the Geniuses would probably die of him because they would not know his ability. But after seeing it once, I am sure both Orochimaru and Sarutobi would own him very quickly. He is weak.

Uchiha Itachi is deadly enough to be stronger than Sasuke, and that puts him very high on the list. His MS is...sick =/

Kisame....well, he is just a powerhouse and he can overpower and outlast any of the Geniuses. But I am guessing he alone cannot stand up to Orochimaru, Sarutobi or Sasuke at this point. I could be wrong though, Kishi is keeping him alive for a reason o.O

We did not see Pain, BH and Zetsu fighting yet (I will exclude Tobi from this battle), so we do not know his abilities, but we know they are considered the strongest among Akatsuki.


Kakashi was always great, but he cannot last long in this game.

Shikamaru is smart, but his smarts cannot help him much =/ He would be dead after one Sasori's attack :|

Haku isn't good for this sort of battle either. He would go "boom" easily.

Kabuto is good against someone as Kisame, if he is not shredded to bits before he is able to hit him, but no one else. He cannot even touch Deidara/Itachi/Sasori.

Neji is great. He would be great to dispose of Hidan if he is not scratched before he hits every tenketsu in Hidan's body. Other than that, he can hardly battle anyone from Akatsuki in 1 vs 1 battle. Even if Shikamaru would be his backup, the Akatsuki who is fighting them would have a partner as well.

Orochimaru is tricky. He is very powerful, and has vast amount of jutsus. He has Edo Tensei, which already gives his sick advantage. Given the guess that none Akatsuki can bind a soul, he would be tough opponent, but most Akatsuki would know he is puppeting those undead, and would go strait for him. The problem for Oro is that he wouldn't have old nor good-hearted people, like Sarutobi fighting him. He said it himself, Sarutobi would have killed him if he was a few years younger.

Kimimaro is very powerful. If he went CS2 right away, he would have chance to create a good opening in some of Akatsukis' defenses, giving them a chance for a good shot. The problem is, no matter how strong he is, C4 would be as if breathing air...

Sandaime Hokage, Sarutobi would be great for this battle. He is a great man, he knows every jutsu in Konoha. He has Enma, my favorite summon, which is very strong and nasty opponent. There is a problem though, he is old, and he would be easily killed by Sasori. He would need his comrades to watch his back while he supports them with his array of jutsus. Though, again, if he stands in one place Deidara will level him... =/

Sasuke is maybe the strongest genius on the list. He would be good counter for many Akatsuki members.


There is one minus for Geniuses yet again. Imagine Sasori charging towards all geniuses alone with his 100 puppets, grabbing their attention, and in the same moment C4 falls onto the whole Genius group. They would all die, and Sasori would still live.
This is what I have been talking about. Akatsuki are highly unbalanced, and they can only be defeated with their perfect counter.
Chiyo+Sakura = Sasori ; Sasuke = Deidara ; Hidan = Shikamaru ; Kakashi+Naruto = Kakuzu.
Now when you have seen this, imagine what would happen if Kakashi and Naruto stayed and fought Sasori and Sakura and Chiyo went against Deidara (no need for his C2, C4, C3). They would have been annihilated. I don't even know how would Nauto and Kakashi break Hiruko, but even if they would, there is no escape from Satetsu Kaihou and countless other puppets. Chiyo and Sakura would drink up one Jibaku Bunshin, and they would die.


That is why I say, Akatsuki are unbalanced and overpowered if you do not give them the perfect match-up.
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That's pretty interesting. Though, are we using the living shinobi? If so, then that rules out Orochimaru, Haku, Sarutobi, Kimimaro, Sasori, Deidara, Hidan and Kakuzu. But, I'll assume we're using them anyway.

So this is how I broke it down:

Sasuke: He'd be a natural threat to Itachi, especially the way he is now in the manga. I think he does have the speed to match Itachi's speed, and we've seen Sasuke use strong genjutsu, just like Itachi. The question is, can Sasuke with stand Itachi's MS techniques? I think Sasuke would get owned by Sasori. =\ Sorry, but I doubt his Sharingan can do much of anything against a puppet, let alone a puppet master. As for Deidara, well, we've seen how that ended. Sasuke > Deidara in the end. His fight against Kisame would be interesting. I remember lightning/thunder > water in Pokemon, so I wonder if that elemental logic applies here also. If so, then Kisame is going to have one hell of a fight. Strengths wise, Sasuke can't compete with Kisame, and I believe Kisame's jutsus are of higher level, but I'm sure Sasuke is much faster, and he has his Sharingan and lightning attacks. And CS forms. But then Kisame has his large chakra supply to work with. I give it to Sasuke, but barely.

Kakashi: Against Itachi, Kakashi really can't do much. Maybe stall him or try and survive, that's really about it. In nearly every way, Itachi >>> Kakashi. Against Sasori, I'm not so sure also for Kakashi. His Sharingan would come into play to avoid the puppets, but nothing else. And he'd find himself pretty drained. Though, Kakashi's MS should be able to just make Sasori go bye bye, no? I don't see Kakashi doing much of anything against Deidara. Unlike Sasuke, Kakashi was never seen using strong genjutsu, nor can he fly, and I doubt he has a larger chakra supply than Sasuke to work with. And well, Sasuke is an Uchiha, so it's easier for him to use the Sharingan more effectively. Although, we have seen that Deidara falls for genjutsu pretty easily. Kakashi's best bet would be using his MS, and even then, victory isn't guaranteed. I think Kakashi would have a good time against Kisame. The only worry there is that Kisame can easily, very easily, out last Kakashi. He also needs to avoid any taijutsu against Kisame. Jutsu wise, I'd like to think Kakashi can overwhelm Kisame. I'm unsure how this fight would unfold, but, deep down inside, I think Kisame might win.

Neji: Neji against Itachi wouldn't be as much of an owning as most people probably think. Neji, while not being a speed demon like Gai or Lee, still has incredible reflex and striking speed. I do believe his kind of speed would match Itachi's speed quite well, if not, force Itachi to face Neji using a different method other than straight up taijutsu. And I really doubt Itachi's genjutsu can get through Neji's Byakugan. But, that's really about where it ends for Neji. =\ Itachi's MS techniques can't be easily countered, and I think that will be the deciding factor between them. Against Sasori...Neji would do well. His Byakugan should be able to allow him to avoid/dodge certain attacks the way Chiyo made Sakura avoid them. Still, I don't see much else Neji can do in a fight against a puppet master. I don't see Neji doing much against Deidara, even though Neji can fight from longer distances now. Sorry Trey, but Deidara would annihilate Neji. =\ We all saw what happened when Team Gai fought against a Kisame clone. It wasn't pretty. Not even Neji's taijutsu did very well against Kisame.

Tsunade: Against Itachi, Tsunade would get owned. The only thing she has over Itachi is brute strength, and really, that is pretty useless if you can't use it correctly. I don't see Tsunade laying one finger on Itachi. If Sakura w/Chiyo can beat Sasori, then I'd like to think Tsunade can definitely whoop Sasori. Against Deidara? lol Sorry, Tsunade would get owned also. What's she gonna do? Toss a mountain at Deidara? The dude out smarted and defeated Gaara. I think she can beat Kisame, though. Kisame seems to be some sort of physical power house himself, so it would be a good match. A lot of his jutsus can be easily avoided, so that's not a problem. And I think she'd be able to knock that sword of his away pretty far, or maybe even break it with his massive strength.

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: Itachi owns Kabuto. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. While he doesn't have the brute strength Sakura has, he is a genius at medical ninjutsu, so I'd like to think he can at least stand a chance against Sasori. Deidara would own Kabuto, easily. As for Kisame, I think Kabuto's style/mix of taijutsu and medical jutsu should be enough to cripple the shark man. The problem is, is Kabuto fast enough and agile enough to avoid and counter Kisame's sword strikes.

Orochimaru: We've seen him get owned by Itachi's Sharingan. But, still. I'd like to think that Orochimaru can deal out a good amount of damage to Itachi if he actually tried to. The problem is that Orochimaru has a huge weakness to the Sharingan. It was shown against both Itachi and Sasuke. So, at the end of the fight, Sharingan > anything Orochimaru can throw at Itachi. Actually, if Orochimaru can summon two or three incredible ninja's from death, he'd have a great chance. Really, what will MS do against the dead? Nada. They'd wear Itachi down pretty quickly. I do wonder now, why was Itachi so fast to use his Sharingan against Orochimaru? He probably knows what Orochimaru is capable of, and didn't really want to fight him in a serious fight. Against Sasori, I think Orochimaru can win. He can just summon Manda and flatten the puppet. Against Deidara, I think Orochimaru can win. I don't think many of his jutsus would come in handy, though. But summoning two or three ubor ninja's can come in handy in making Deidara use up his chakra, since they can be blown up and come right back at him. Also, Manda should be fast enough to swat Deidara pretty good, and eat him up. I think Orochimaru can totally dominate Kisame. He has all the tools he needs to do so, and I also think Orochimaru can out last him.

I'm not including Haku, because, while he was a genius, he was a Chuunin genius from the very beginning of the series. I really, really doubt he can do anything against the Akatsuki members. =\

Sarutobi: The old man would have no chance against Itachi. If he lost to Orochimaru, he definitely would lose to Itachi. He wouldn't even have to use any MS techniques on Sarutobi. Against Sasori, Sarutobi's best bet would be to either use Enma and have him henge to the stick and beat Sasori up over the head, or use that Death God jutsu he used on Orochimaru. But, even then, that'd be very dangerous. I think Sasori would win. For some reason, I see Sasutobi doing well against Deidara. He has a wide variety of jutsus, and can mix elements. He also has Enma and his Death God jutsu. Of course, he'd have to actually get close enough to do anything. I'd like to think Enma in stick form could poll vault Sarutobi into the air in order to attack better. I think Sarutobi can handle Kisame.. He dealt with Orochimaru, and the first two Hokages.

Shikamaru: The only chance he'd have to beat someone like Itachi is to actually catch him in his shadow bind, have his eyes closed, or looking away, so as to avoid contact with the Sharingan, and use that strangle jutsu of his. I mean, if I can think of that then I'm sure he can. No seriously. I do honestly think that's his only way of beating Itachi. That's not to say that it'd happen, though. >.> Hm. Against Sasori, I can see Shikamaru easily catching him in the shadow bind, but what can he do after that? I don't think choking a puppet would work lol. Maybe he can use Sasori's Kazekage puppet against him, but does he even know how to control the puppets? I give it to Sasori. Deidara would flatten Shikamaru. As for Kisame, that's a tough one. I think Kisame can easily power his way out of his shadow bind. And that's even assuming he catches Kisame in it, since Kisame can easily flood the area, pretty much rendering Shikamaru's jutsus useless. Kisame takes it.

Kimimaro: At this point, Sasuke could've handled Kimimaro, so I'll assume that Itachi can do the same. It would've been a great fight, though. I think Kimi should be able to beat Sasori. I doubt his poison would do much to him, and I think Kimi's bone attacks would really overwhelm Sasori. I think high density bones > puppets. Deidara against Kimi would be interesting. The pressure of Gaara's sand couldn't even kill Kimimaro, so I don't even know that Deidara's bombs could do it. It'd be basically a projectile fight. I don't know. I think it'd be a stalemate. Against Kisame, I don't see Kisame fairing very well. I doubt drowning him would do much, especially since Kimi could have easily suffocated beneath the ground of Gaara's sand, which he didn't. And I don't know that Samehada can break Kimi's bones. O_O I think Kimimaro should be able to win this one.

I didn't include Pein, Tobi, BH, Hidan, Zetsu and Kakuzu. Pein, Tobi, and BH because, well, we don't know what they're capable of. Same with Zetsu. I don't recall much from Hidan and Kakuzu. >.>
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Re: The Genius FC

seeing the latest chapter, wouldn't Tobi be a genius now? He has the sharingan and he has madara's power, and you know madara is the or shoe-in for second most powerful member of the uchiha clan
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Of course not. Tobi/Uchiha Madara is a character who just appeared, and we do not know anything about him. It would be the same as saying:"Pain is a genius because he never lost a battle!".
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Of course not. Tobi/Uchiha Madara is a character who just appeared, and we do not know anything about him. It would be the same as saying:"Pain is a genius because he never lost a battle!".
Thats true...However im sure that we will be adding at least one or possibly both of them to the list before its all said and done...The only thing to do is wait and see...
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Holy shit dude, that analysis was intense. Reps.

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No we won't. We have enough geniuses now. When we find out more on the other Akatsuki members, and I mean much more than just what they can do, then maybe we'll consider more.
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Re: The Genius FC

Mikey, Neji's Byakugan allows him to see flawlessly through every genjustsu in existence, even Itachi's. Tha'ts the only flaw I've come across in your analysis.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:22 PM   #330
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Re: The Genius FC

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No we won't. We have enough geniuses now. When we find out more on the other Akatsuki members, and I mean much more than just what they can do, then maybe we'll consider more.
Yea I meant that they wont be added if they are added at all until much later after all the facts on them are in...Sorry for not being completely clear...
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