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Old 08-13-2007, 02:21 PM   #496
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Ye, too bad DeiDei didn't fight Sai and killed him. Akatsuki needs to kill someone soon. At this point, I see fish leaving us as well. And Sai's character development was already done. I didn't like it very much. A story about a boy with no emotions who finds them because of Naruto. The chapter where they find his book was interesting though. Sai is just taking up manga space, because obviously Kishimoto is leaving even the old rookies to rot, let alone new characters like Sai and Yamato.

Yeah, I am cruel today.
No, Sai's character development is not complete. He promised Naruto and Sakura that he would help them. He said that he wanted to do this because he wanted to understand why Naruto's bond with Sasuke was so important to Naruto. And that perhaps it would help him remember his own feelings. His character still has room to develop. And there is still the Danzou sub-plot, which could resurface.

I thought the development was a bit rushed, but since I enjoy Sai's character it's not that big of a deal. A lot was going on during that time and Kishimoto fumbled, but Sai was at least established and given motivation.

I dunno if Kishimoto intends to drop the rookies, considering they are all very popular characters and I see no reason for him not to bring them back in the story, at the very least with an intent to milk them for all they are worth. If he doesn't, that would be a bad move on his part... economically speaking. XP And it would severely disappoint his fan base. I think he's saving them for later, and it is then that we'll see their newest techniques and growth.

Hopefully. XD
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And how dare that you say you'll call
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If you have to take sides with the animals
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And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
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You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:37 PM   #497
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no i agree the akatsuki needs to kill someone it would be interesting would they would kill u know like wen hidan killed asuma that was wow i can't wait for the next chapt. if any wasn't like wow they say it

with sai idk i didn't like him for some reason but it was funny how interacted wit naruto it was funny to me
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no i agree the akatsuki needs to kill someone it would be interesting would they would kill u know like wen hidan killed asuma that was wow i can't wait for the next chapt. if any wasn't like wow they say it
Well, I never said that I didn't agree with Akatsuki taking out more characters. It's just that Sai's character, from what I can tell, was created with an intention. He relates to the bond that's the strongest and focus of the series. Would Kishimoto honestly do that for no reason? o.O
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And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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Old 08-14-2007, 06:34 PM   #499
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Imo, in order for Akatsuki to gain back it's level of intimidation is if Pein or another AM put more Konoha shinobis on their death bed. You know it's wack when Shikamaru starts killing people...
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Imo, in order for Akatsuki to gain back it's level of intimidation is if Pein or another AM put more Konoha shinobis on their death bed. You know it's wack when Shikamaru starts killing people...
I agree. They really don't seem like much now, anymore. =\ Though, I disagree about the Shikamaru part. Anyone capable of blowing someone up and burying them should've been able to defeat Hidan. Anyone with a brain also.
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^ Also, Shikamaru had witnessed Hidan's technique before they had their match. I think his win was believable.
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It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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^ Also, Shikamaru had witnessed Hidan's technique before they had their match. I think his win was believable.
It was, but I never imagined that Hidan will have no other abilities. I was waiting and waiting for him to pull something like his trump card, use basic jutsus...nothing. He had only one ability which isn't worth much if you have seen it already.
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I agree. They really don't seem like much now, anymore. =\ Though, I disagree about the Shikamaru part. Anyone capable of blowing someone up and burying them should've been able to defeat Hidan. Anyone with a brain also.
The only reason why I stated what I stated about Shikamaru is because his chakra capacity is worst then Kakashi's, and yet, he defeats an immortal. Don't you think that's a little wack... him...
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It was, but I never imagined that Hidan will have no other abilities. I was waiting and waiting for him to pull something like his trump card, use basic jutsus...nothing. He had only one ability which isn't worth much if you have seen it already.

That's true.
I just consider Hidan a simpleton. Who was arrogant and foolish, and placed his whole lot on one technique. 8D
I would have liked a back-story for him and Kakuzu more than anything. >.<

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The only reason why I stated what I stated about Shikamaru is because his chakra capacity is worst then Kakashi's, and yet, he defeats an immortal. Don't you think that's a little wack... him...
I do agree that his chakra capacity seemed larger than what I would have expected. But that's my impression from reading the arc each week and not in one-sitting, and I have to admit I didn't enjoy that arc that much so the details are a bit fuzzy.

However, Shikamaru is a genius and he had witnessed Hidan's one technique beforehand; at the price of Asuma no less. So his motivation is stronger than ever before and he had time to plan a strategy. And will of fire is practically a chakra boost in this series, so when I think of it like that it all works out in my mind. xD

But I can understand the dissatisfaction.
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It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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That's true.
I just consider Hidan a simpleton. Who was arrogant and foolish, and placed his whole lot on one technique. 8D
I would have liked a back-story for him and Kakuzu more than anything. >.<
I wouldn't say simpleton, just too abrasive. I mean, Shikamaru makes everyone look like a simpleton; Hidan would have defeated Asuma no problem.
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I wouldn't say simpleton, just too abrasive. I mean, Shikamaru makes everyone look like a simpleton; Hidan would have defeated Asuma no problem.
Hm, abrasive is a good word for Hidan.
I was being a bit harsh with using simpleton. 8D
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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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hidan the dumbmess akatsuki member vs the smartest chunnin what do u think would happen?
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That's true.
I just consider Hidan a simpleton. Who was arrogant and foolish, and placed his whole lot on one technique. 8D
I would have liked a back-story for him and Kakuzu more than anything. >.<
Hidan was very cool, but not only did he not have background, he also had only one ability. That is all. He is an empty character beside his comedic behavior. I consider this Kishimoto's lack of inspiration.

Kakuzu was such a complete character, but his death left a hollow is us Akatsuki fans (I am a hardcore one). He became stupid at the time Naruto came to save Kakashi, Ino and Chouji. I mean, he should be genius ninja who has five times more experience than an average ninja does, and in the world such as that, experience should be everything, on the contrary to Kishi's look on that chapter.
I mean, Kakuzu was a genius because he figured out how to give himself a few more lives. He also combined his hearts perfectly, not only expanding his life span, but giving him the ability to manipulate chakra like his victim could. That is why he had all those elements.
The only reason he was not complete as Sasori was is because he had no backstory nor did his death leave impression. His death was a failure of Kishimoto's writing skills to me.
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I do agree that his chakra capacity seemed larger than what I would have expected. But that's my impression from reading the arc each week and not in one-sitting, and I have to admit I didn't enjoy that arc that much so the details are a bit fuzzy.

However, Shikamaru is a genius and he had witnessed Hidan's one technique beforehand; at the price of Asuma no less. So his motivation is stronger than ever before and he had time to plan a strategy. And will of fire is practically a chakra boost in this series, so when I think of it like that it all works out in my mind. xD
Will of Fire is not only chakra boost, it is one of the symbols of this manga. Sandaime was an awesome teacher. He gave us all the reason to see why is shinobi the strongest when he has something to protect. That is one of the morals and themes of this series.
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Hidan was very cool, but not only did he not have background, he also had only one ability. That is all. He is an empty character beside his comedic behavior. I consider this Kishimoto's lack of inspiration.
He was pretty funny. And he produces great humor fanart. xD Most of the Akatsuki do, really. <3

Probably so. -.- Kishi fumbled again in Part II.
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Kakuzu was such a complete character, but his death left a hollow is us Akatsuki fans (I am a hardcore one). He became stupid at the time Naruto came to save Kakashi, Ino and Chouji. I mean, he should be genius ninja who has five times more experience than an average ninja does, and in the world such as that, experience should be everything, on the contrary to Kishi's look on that chapter.

I mean, Kakuzu was a genius because he figured out how to give himself a few more lives. He also combined his hearts perfectly, not only expanding his life span, but giving him the ability to manipulate chakra like his victim could. That is why he had all those elements.
The only reason he was not complete as Sasori was is because he had no backstory nor did his death leave impression. His death was a failure of Kishimoto's writing skills to me.
Meh.
I lack attachment to Kakuzu, but I understand where your coming from.
>.> The only thing I can say in defense of the situation is that after Naruto screwed up his first attack, Kakuzu wrote him off as incompetent. And because of his arrogance, he was felled by a trick.
But yeah, I agree. Hidan's death was easier to take in than Kakuzu's.

You know, in a sense Kakuzu and Hidan mirror each other. Both vicious and arrogant... and both fell because of their arrogance. Only one was far more intelligent (why wasn't Kakuzu ever mentioned for our list? I completely overlooked his ability but after reading your explanation on it - it strikes me.) Wasn't it said that he crossed paths with Shodaime? I can't remember the details, fu fu fu. xD

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QFT.
Speaking of characters mirroring each other, it was probably done on intention that Naruto fought Gaara while Sandaime fought Orochimaru. Both fought in order to protect and were able to avert a total crisis.
Not to mention I adore that arc because of all the Team 07 luff. <3
I'm feeling like watching some of Part I. I miss it. T.T

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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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