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Old 10-01-2007, 05:26 PM   #931
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Naruto is a genius he mastered a forbidden jounin level jutsu while being a academy student when people see him do it for the first time in part one their mouths drop to the floor.

He learned the rasengan in one week while it took his father 4 years minato the greatest hokage/genius/shinobi konoha ever produced maybe even in the whole entire series.

He harnessed the strongest demons chakra in very little time and is able to summon the most powerful being we have seen thus far other than the kyuubi gamabunatan. Why you ask he is the most powerful well let's see:he can use taijutsu to fight,and ninjutsu none of the other summons can do that,.
He defeated a bijju all by himself with his own summon not a person a bijju a full out shukaku the kid was only 12 years of age not to mention he beat the guy who dragged sasuke's ass all over the place.

He added his own element to rasengan something not even the fourth nor kakashi could do because it proved to difficult.

Defeated an aka twice leaving his last heart to fail due to the never and cellular damage.

Pain is starting to acknowledge that naruto is becoming very powerful and he is the biggest bad ass we have so far in the series other than yondaime.

Iruka said naruto was in the academy for 3 years straight and failed the gennin exam twice which mean he graduated at 12 as we all saw but if put his brain to use and not fooled around could have graduated at 9 years of age only other people we know that graduated earlier are itachi and kakashi..


He defeated a chunnin level ninja before even becoming one himself,it doesn't matter what you say even if mizuki was weak as you people say he was a chunnin which means he had fight in him and a non ninja shinobi beat his ass.

So yes naruto is a genius but since the story is showing him out to be a fool that rises to become great people say he isn't but if you break down what he did like i showed you,you can see that he truley is a genius.

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Old 10-01-2007, 05:48 PM   #932
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Thanks.^_^ And yeah Naruto is a genius, but hes not the number one genius.That would be between these people:Sakura, Tsunade, Kakashi, and Sasori.Oh, and once i learn how to do that show option i will put a banner in my signiture.
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:04 PM   #933
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@Hunter-Nin: Dude, you're not even in this FC, :lol:.

Well, anyway, yesterday I was sort of thinking about it. I was comparing Naruto before and now. Before, he was a failure, pretty much, goofy, attention-hog, and...worthless, but when he actually had friends, he grew more determined and responsible. Now, he's a very well developed character, and he's very strong, more mature, and more caring. He's also had his ways of formulating battle tactics in Shippuden. I would say the Shippuden Naruto is capable of being a genius than the kiddie Naruto, but they're both the same, :lol:!

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Old 10-01-2007, 06:12 PM   #934
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Thanks.^_^ And yeah Naruto is a genius, but hes not the number one genius.That would be between these people:Sakura, Tsunade, Kakashi, and Sasori.Oh, and once i learn how to do that show option i will put a banner in my signiture.
Sakura is no were close to being a genius sure she has improved but inpart one was useless and even though she got stronger compared to her teamates she is still pretty much useless.


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Old 10-02-2007, 04:19 PM   #935
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The fact that he got beat by Naruto is proof enough he's low-tiered.
You're expressing NOTHING but opinion here. Naruto defeated everyone in his way, including Neji, who is on our genius list, and Gaara who defeated Sasuke, also on the genius status. He's also (admittedly even) more powerful than Kakashi.

Mizuki was a Chunin, it doesn't matter how low tiered he was. Remember that NONE of the Genin except Shikamaru passed the first Chunin exams? Well Mizuki passed those, making him BETTER than every single one of them. Naruto was an academy student, there's no point in trying to make that look unimpressive, it's not.
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Correction: most Chuunin didn't know of it (it was a forbidden move, remember?) and every Genin shown so far (Rookie 9) knows a C/B-level move themselves, so what's your point?
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Naruto used Kyuubi's chakra to summon Gamabunta; that's always the case in that scenario. Beating a hulking mass is quite easy with that much chakra at your disposal.
You have no proof whatsoever that he used the Kyuubi chakra at ALL other than the end of the fight. Gaara was using Shukaku chakra the ENTIRE TIME. There's no way you can twist the fact that Naruto won the fight on his own skill, just because he has a naturally large chakra supply doesn't mean he uses the Kyuubi chakra.
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He spent weeks dude.. weeks. According to the anime at least. (Never read that manga chapter.)
I believe that according to that calendar Jiraiya had (the one with the drinks on it), it was at least a month since Naruto started his training. Since he started before Jiraiya got that calendar. Not sure if that was an actual day-to-day calendar, but I still think he took at least more than a month to supposedly master it. It wasn't even mastered because he used a cheat with the Shadow Clone technique.
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I think the reason we're not willing to accept the fact that Naruto could be a genius is because of his personality and past. He's a goofy character, and never seems to take things seriously, and with his past full of failure, we never took him seriously.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:44 PM   #937
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Hmmmm... :lol:, go rudeboynin! I'm not too much of a Naruto fan (don't judge by an avatar, :lol:, it was too cute to resist), but I see him as a genius from his progression.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:47 PM   #939
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I think the reason we're not willing to accept the fact that Naruto could be a genius is because of his personality and past. He's a goofy character, and never seems to take things seriously, and with his past full of failure, we never took him seriously.
His past wasn't always full of failure, though. He learned a jutsu at the start of the series that was supposed to be for ninjas of much higher rank than Naruto was. He learned a move like Rasengan in what, a week? Or mastered it? He is a genius in his own way.
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Hmmmm... :lol:, go rudeboynin! I'm not too much of a Naruto fan (don't judge by an avatar, :lol:, it was too cute to resist), but I see him as a genius from his progression.
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You're expressing NOTHING but opinion here. Naruto defeated everyone in his way, including Neji, who is on our genius list, and Gaara who defeated Sasuke, also on the genius status. He's also (admittedly even) more powerful than Kakashi.
The Neji/Naruto fight is a whole 'nother conundrum I don't even want to get into.

And even though Kakashi said that Naruto has surpassed him, I think it's more in the sense that Naruto's not a better ninja than Kakashi but rather shows more potential. Because at this point in the manga, Kakashi would still defeat Naruto.

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Mizuki was a Chunin, it doesn't matter how low tiered he was. Remember that NONE of the Genin except Shikamaru passed the first Chunin exams? Well Mizuki passed those, making him BETTER than every single one of them. Naruto was an academy student, there's no point in trying to make that look unimpressive, it's not.
Just because Shikamaru was the only one who passed does not make Mizuki better than all those who didn't. Neji, Sasuke, Gaara, Lee are all CLEARLY Chuunin+ level in those exams. Mizuki was just the once jobber who the main character has to beat up in the beginning to prove e isn't totally worthless. Hell, Mizuki probably couldn't even defeat a Genin Konohamaru. >.>

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He learned it while still an Academy student.
Lee learned unlocking the Gates as an Academy Student.

Neji learned to use the Jyuuken on the level of an accomplished Hyuuga as an Academy Student.

Gaara killed about a 100 sand nins as an Academy Student.

Then let's go to the non-geniuses: Ten-Ten shows un-paralleled projectile skill as an Academy Student. Hinabi is better than Hinata who's 5 years older than her.

They all learned C/B class jutsus as Academy Students or Genin, what's your point?

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You have no proof whatsoever that he used the Kyuubi chakra at ALL other than the end of the fight. Gaara was using Shukaku chakra the ENTIRE TIME. There's no way you can twist the fact that Naruto won the fight on his own skill, just because he has a naturally large chakra supply doesn't mean he uses the Kyuubi chakra.
During Part I, the only way Naruto could summon Gamabunta is by using the Kyuubi's chakra. His alone isn't enough.

Also, Naruto doesn't have a naturally large chakra supply. It is getting boosted all the time by the Kyuubi's chakra. So even when Naruto doesn't use it, he reaps the benefits of his own chakra being augmented permanently.

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I believe that according to that calendar Jiraiya had (the one with the drinks on it), it was at least a month since Naruto started his training. Since he started before Jiraiya got that calendar. Not sure if that was an actual day-to-day calendar, but I still think he took at least more than a month to supposedly master it. It wasn't even mastered because he used a cheat with the Shadow Clone technique.
Step Two, right? I'm pretty sure it was weeks, since they weren't gone that long on their quest to find Tsunade.
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His past wasn't always full of failure, though. He learned a jutsu at the start of the series that was supposed to be for ninjas of much higher rank than Naruto was. He learned a move like Rasengan in what, a week? Or mastered it? He is a genius in his own way.
*cough* Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough. I meant at the very beginning of the series. Sakura proved to be really smart, Sasuke really talented, and then there was Naruto, who was a *really* (:lol:, sorry, just had to throw that in there) main character. In my view, he gained the potential of a genius through hard work and determination, which actually paid off, a lot. Not just specifically in one area like Lee, but, like, in EVERYTHING, :lol:.
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The Neji/Naruto fight is a whole 'nother conundrum I don't even want to get into.
Oh, yes, that's one thing that you can't compare Naruto with, like saying that *suppose* Neji couldn't beat, hmmm, suppose Sasuke? but Naruto could, and Neji couldn't beat Naruto, that wouldn't mean that Neji was weak. Good point there, Trey.

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Hell, Mizuki probably couldn't even defeat a Genin Konohamaru. >.>
Who, as we all should hopefully know, is not a genius, :lol:.

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Step Two, right? I'm pretty sure it was weeks, since they weren't gone that long on their quest to find Tsunade.
I think it was pretty long.
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His past wasn't always full of failure, though. He learned a jutsu at the start of the series that was supposed to be for ninjas of much higher rank than Naruto was. He learned a move like Rasengan in what, a week? Or mastered it? He is a genius in his own way.
Yeah I agree with this.

Naruto may not be able to grasp the theoretical idea of jutsus, but through his constant training and relentless stamina he is able to learn techniques very quickly. Like, his body is genius-worthy but his mind isn't. xD Well, his emotional maturity is quite noteworthy, so I'm NOT implying that he's stupid or anything.

And by using kage bushin, it doesn't matter if he's a genius or not. xD He gains years of training in weeks (months, not sure on the specifics).

Anyway, I'm really enjoying Anti and Trey's debate. ^.^ Both have great points.
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Naruto may not be able to grasp the theoretical idea of jutsus, but through his constant training and relentless stamina he is able to learn techniques very quickly. Like, his body is genius-worthy but his mind isn't. xD Well, his emotional maturity is quite noteworthy, so I'm NOT implying that he's stupid or anything.
I think he's developed his mind to a point where it's somewhat genius-worthy. Such as, hmmm, the Hidan and Kakuzu arc? He displayed an unusual version of himself: one that actually thought before acting.

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Like, his body is genius-worthy but his mind isn't
Wow, this is like, the best sentence in this whole thread/club. That puts Naruto's whole being into perspective. Good shit, yo.
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