Anythingavailable

It would be interesting if Tobi was just insane and THOUGHT he was Madara. Now that is a theory I could get behind! However, even if he was crazy he still must be IMMENSLY powerfull to keep all the members of AK in line. Even though I still do not think this is the most likely senario, I wonder who he could be if he is just someone crazy? I think a blow to the head by a big boulder may just make you a little crazy. lol

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"写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

Sharingan will regain its true power... as will I, Uchiha Madara*!

As for whether or not the character speaking is Uchiha Madara, as to this, there is no doubt. This part, このうちはマダラの力, has been construed by some to mean "this power, the power of Uchiha Madara." They're reading it like this: この　うちはマダラの力。The way they should be reading it is like this: このうちはマダラの　力。When この precedes the name of a person (in this case, Uchiha Madara), the person referenced is the speaker himself. It's a way for the speaker to indicate that he or she is a real big deal (in his or her mind, anyway). And no, it's not a "vague" sentence, or one which could be read both ways: the way we're indicating here is the only way to interpret the sentence, at least as far as whether the speaker is Uchiha Madara or not. Whether Madara is possessing someone else's body or if Tobi's just a robot through which his voice comes out,is another matter altogether."

trondah

Yeah, maybe his head got squeezed a bit too much under the rocks. Him being crazy fits well with the way he was acting when he was "undercover".

"Deidara-Senpai!!! Don't die! *sob sob*" hehehehe

He's not actually keeping the AK members in line though, is it even clear that he's giving Pein orders? But it does look like he's supposed to be a powerful person. He has the Sharingan after all, and maybe Mangekyo Sharingan. Perhaps he can use Susanoo?

SharinganWarrior

Sorry man.. Didnt mean to piss you.. If I wanted that, it could have been much easier... Enough of that...

Anyway... When I first read that there might a connection between Tobi and Obito... I thought it was cool... A reunion between Obito and Kakashi.. A battle between old friends.. Would have been awesome...

Started thinking a little (no offence).. The connections I found, was that the his right eye was only showed, and that his name was scrambled a bit and off course his goofy-ness... But the goofy-ness was only an act... Two things left... Still there is so many cons..
- Kakashi being 26 or 27 years, and Obito must be around the same age..
- Obito was about 13 years when he "died", and the Akatsuki must have been founded at least 10 years ago (Orochimaru left the organization 10 years ago in part one)
- (27 - at least 10) = 17 - 13 = 4 years.. Which mean that that he had 4 years to recover and gain "The true power of the Sharingan".. But off course there is a chance that he didnt found Akatsuki but took over it when he was first introduced, but it seems a bit unlikely.. Anyway during that time his personality has changed quite a bit.. From "Those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations... Are called trash... But those who dont care about their companions are even worse than trash" (had to look that one up:P), to becoming one seemingly only caring for himself... I find it hard to believe.. And theres more..

Im just saying that the likelyhood of Tobi being the mind and soul of Obito seems slim...

But I'll have respect that you believe its Obito even though I cant understand why.. But I'll respect your point of view...

The Observer

Okay I got another theory here and hopefully its an ok or solid one. We have been talking about Madara as though he was the founder of Akatsuki. Also, its been said that Madara was around way back in the day with the Shodaime. (I don't believe it, but make room for the possibility) Lets look at the motives that Akatuski have and everything they have used. I believe that the sealing statue is made of wood. With that I believe whoever made it can use Mokuton. Now with ten powerful ninja you can seal 9 bijuu and use their power. What if Akatsuki was originally an organization formed by several ninja villages in secret. This was going to be their plan to ensure that the bijuu did not run afoul of their villages. Now when they were began to do this a member(s) decided that they wanted to harness the power for their village. So what if the Shodaime was in this organization and he created the sealing statue. (possible as we know nothing of his past) Now the member(s) who decided to go bad begin knocking off the other members. Now I will go with the Madara being the fighter with Shodaime in the Valley of the End, only for the purpose of saying that it was believed this was their final battlefield. Madara killed Nidaime and Shodaime went after him to avenge his brother. They had an epic battle and when all was said and done, they were the last original members of Akatsuki and the fight left the Shodaime laid out in the same place as Naruto. Madara standing over him (like Sasuke stood over Naruto) kills his best friend and unlocks the MS.

I actually forgot where I was going with my theory (trying to watch anime and eat and do other things at the same time)

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trondah

You say either he founded Akatsuki or took over it, but we don't know if he's the true leader/owner/founder at all. And since we don't know what the heck he's up to, you can't say that he cares only for himself.

Anythingavailable

If what he says is true and he is not crazy then he is Uchiha Madara. And that means he is probably the most powerfull AK. So, it only makes sense that the most powerfull AK would be the true leader of the group. And when you look at the actions of AK you can clearly see that their actions are bad even if they turn out to have some sort of weird good intentions planned.

So, in summary, it is very reasonable to assume that Madara is bad.

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"写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

Sharingan will regain its true power... as will I, Uchiha Madara*!

As for whether or not the character speaking is Uchiha Madara, as to this, there is no doubt. This part, このうちはマダラの力, has been construed by some to mean "this power, the power of Uchiha Madara." They're reading it like this: この　うちはマダラの力。The way they should be reading it is like this: このうちはマダラの　力。When この precedes the name of a person (in this case, Uchiha Madara), the person referenced is the speaker himself. It's a way for the speaker to indicate that he or she is a real big deal (in his or her mind, anyway). And no, it's not a "vague" sentence, or one which could be read both ways: the way we're indicating here is the only way to interpret the sentence, at least as far as whether the speaker is Uchiha Madara or not. Whether Madara is possessing someone else's body or if Tobi's just a robot through which his voice comes out,is another matter altogether."

SharinganWarrior

Yeah... You're right... Tronhad is just being difficult...
The only thing that might make someone believe Obito is only having one eye like Tobi... The likelyhood of Tobi being mind and body of Obito is almost nonexistentingm, I think...

trondah

"Just" the eye? How many Uchiha's have only one eye that you know of? And don't forget the name. The mask could also be because of damages to the face as a result of the rocks. I'm not being difficult, there is a decent chance it's Obito in my opinion. Maybe an Uchiha with pure Tengu blood will allow Madara to transfer into it for instance. We'll just have to wait and see...

YondaimeBunshin

OK I'm a big Tobi/Obito fan but I kinda like The Observers theory.. I mean with a little improvising we can theorize that Madara is the statue at the valley of the end. Maybe Madara wanted to get rid of war by collecting the bijuu and Shodaime didn't want to lose his best friend like SasxNaru. So they fought and in the end instead of a draw or a nonfatal win by Madara he killed him and activated MS. I like it. It lets me leave Obito alone lol.

I wonder why Madara has to restore his power though? I will have to reread the last page of the last manga chapter but I'm pretty sure he said something like "and then AK will be restored to it's full power, as I, Uchiha Madara will be"

katonha

May be he has to rstore his power because he lost some of it in a battle with someone. Those screws and his mask could be there because he got injured somehow.
It still shocks me that Tobi is Uchiha Madara, i mean everyone thought that he would be Obito. No one thought that he would be Madara. Kishi really turned this around.cool:

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Anythingavailable

If the statue is really of him then maybe in that battle?

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"写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

Sharingan will regain its true power... as will I, Uchiha Madara*!

As for whether or not the character speaking is Uchiha Madara, as to this, there is no doubt. This part, このうちはマダラの力, has been construed by some to mean "this power, the power of Uchiha Madara." They're reading it like this: この　うちはマダラの力。The way they should be reading it is like this: このうちはマダラの　力。When この precedes the name of a person (in this case, Uchiha Madara), the person referenced is the speaker himself. It's a way for the speaker to indicate that he or she is a real big deal (in his or her mind, anyway). And no, it's not a "vague" sentence, or one which could be read both ways: the way we're indicating here is the only way to interpret the sentence, at least as far as whether the speaker is Uchiha Madara or not. Whether Madara is possessing someone else's body or if Tobi's just a robot through which his voice comes out,is another matter altogether."

Ultimate Ninja Nidaime

Hä? How can Uchiha Madara still be alive? He fought against the first Hokage which means he is dead by now or he has a special ability similar to Kakuzus.

And that is a thoery that I don't believe. I think Tobi must be Obito. Why the hell should Uchiha Madara call himself Tobi? I guess everybody can see the connection between the names Tobi and Obito. Moreover Tobi has the same hair as Obito. We know how Madara looked like since we saw the giant stone statue in the Valley of End (I guess that's its name), the place where Naruto and Sasuke fought. There was a statue of the First too so I think it must be Madara. And his hair was absolutely different than Tobis.

Anythingavailable

Tobi ALSO called himself Uchiha Madara. He said his name was Uchiha Madara so I am a bit suprised, that you are suprised people are discussing the possibility. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though and just think that you must be coming into the thread late.

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"写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

Sharingan will regain its true power... as will I, Uchiha Madara*!

As for whether or not the character speaking is Uchiha Madara, as to this, there is no doubt. This part, このうちはマダラの力, has been construed by some to mean "this power, the power of Uchiha Madara." They're reading it like this: この　うちはマダラの力。The way they should be reading it is like this: このうちはマダラの　力。When この precedes the name of a person (in this case, Uchiha Madara), the person referenced is the speaker himself. It's a way for the speaker to indicate that he or she is a real big deal (in his or her mind, anyway). And no, it's not a "vague" sentence, or one which could be read both ways: the way we're indicating here is the only way to interpret the sentence, at least as far as whether the speaker is Uchiha Madara or not. Whether Madara is possessing someone else's body or if Tobi's just a robot through which his voice comes out,is another matter altogether."

digital_liquid21

I believe that Mandra was able to use his powers enough that his force was like all of the tailed beast combined. Tobi maybe the mastermind behind the collection of the tailed beast and he was excited because he would finally have the power that Mandra was able to use. He is using AK in order to be able to get the power he wants.

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digital_liquid21

Well in reference to Mandra, it is quite possible that something happened along the lines of kabuto and ORO. Someone might have took his essence into his or herself after his death and then became controlled by it. After a while passed it to tobi when he became of suitable strength. Also the statues on the waterfall were the first and second hokage. It was built to symbolize what they had accomplished in creating the land of fire.
Tobi is to much of a B rate character to ever be to much or a threat. B rate characters will finally have their revenge?
I think not.

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