The Observer

Yeah it says that Kishi introduced a new part of Konoha that served as a battlefield that was more epic than the battle we would witness. You are only saying it is Madara or some other Uchiha because Sasuke landed on his head. So why dont I say that Naruto is in fact Shodaime's great-grandson or great-great-grandson. Nidaime's hairstyle favors the other statue as well. For all we know that could be anyone's statue. What we do know is that the reason those statues are there is to leave a marker of those who fought there.

It's sad that you really see it that way. Why not make statues of people who are known to be the strongest in Konoha. They carved the Hokage's faces into the mountainside. They seem to have gotten details there like the chakra-diamond on Tsunades forehead. Why not place an identifying mark on the statue like a sharingan?

Please go back and take an english class. No one really has reason to believe that statue is Madara or any Uchiha other than the fact that Sasuke was on the statues head.

Lets see characters with wild hairstyles. hmmm. Let me think, how about Jiraiya, anyone in the Akimichi clan, Nidaime, sure I make room for an Uchiha, but I dont just say that it is an Uchiha right away. It's possible that the statue could belong to nearly anyone from any clan.

Did I ever say you should shut up. I said get some common sense. Maybe Intelligence would have been more accurate. I rely on what has been shown, said, hinted upon, and what I speculate. It's pretty clear you didn't want my logic to make it into your post which is why you dissected my post and used fragments of my points. I don't pass my speculations as fact. I am not Kishimoto. I don't go on just what been stated which is why I am
THE GREAT OBSERVER! OPEN YA EYES AND RECOGNIZE!

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kyoribuki

"It would be interesting if it goes that way. Although, you'd think Naruto would be able to beat Pein on his own without Sakura"

Im not saying that Naruto will be able to defeat Pain, because i really think that Akatsukis are gonna take the Kyubi, because :
1.- Everybody knows that Kyubi is bad for Naruto, and Kakashi already said that Naruto can get his real power if he doesnt use the Kyubi. So like right now Pein is going after Naruto,who hasnt get the new jutsu all done, is probably that Naruto wont win the fight
2.- Obitobi needs the 9 jinchis to get the maximum power and be The most powerfull Bad Guy, AND WE NEED THAT RIGHT?


"Although, I'm not so sure how useful the wind making the fire stronger thing would be. The Uchiha's are known for using those fire jutsus, yet they all seem virtually useless."

During the ShurikenRasengan training Kakashi tells Naruto that he will have to be careful because wind makes fire more powerful so fuuton rasengan will be useful and even dangerous against Sasukes fire techniques... he would only be able to use it agains his chidori...

PLUS... wouldnt be worth of the 6th Hokage to defeat the Kyubi?

So.. what if Madara was sealed into Obito? cuz, HEY, in narutoverse stories always repeat, and you know that Kakashi/Obito relationship was prettymuch like Sasuke/Naruto... and Kyubi always come into play when Naruto is about to die.. So maybe Madara inside Obito saved him from the Rock crush and after this was that Madara took control over Obito... REMEMBER THE LAST WORDS OF OBITO????...

Im already dying, But I´ll become your eye, and you´ll be able to see.. Could be this the reason of Kakashis weird Mangekyo? is different that Itachis, and hi developed without being an Uchiha or Killed somebody or whatever, of course, if its a Madara´s eye would be powerfull enough to do this... I THINK... thats why Kakashis MS can distort space (what he did to Deidara) and probably thats part of the power of Madara, thats what saved Obito, thats how Tobi didnt die in Deidaras explosion, thats how he made possible to do the astral proyection thing with the akatsukis... etc.. etc....

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

kyoribuki

This is to THE GREAT OBSERVER

Is not only that Sasuke was on the statue´s head, remember that Kakashi said:

It is said that long ago, two men fought here. From the scar caused that fight, this river was formed, if you observe the flow (speaking to Paku) it continues flowing without ever stopping to mark that battle. Konoha Village was built. The ones who share the fate of these statues. Naruto and Sasuke... Your lives are remarkably like theirs.

so thats why everybody suspect for this guy to be Madara, because we know that Madara and Shodaime were from Konoha, and Shodaime died young, because Niidaime was young too when he got to be Hokage and they are kinda the same age... So someone really powerfull would have to fight and defeat Shodaime (same as Sasuke/Naruto) to make that waterfall, is very possible that Shodaime died in this battle... This Powerfull guy probably was Shodaime´s friend in some moment, as they have the same kinda outfit and because what Kakashi said about being like Sasuke/Naruto and thinking it would be remarkable similar to Naruto/Sasuke if this guy had the Sharingan. Remember too that the military forces were founded by Uchihas, and Uchiha means Fan (that fan that is use to power flames up) and thats their symbol (the pokemon lookalike uchiha stuff) and probably had a lot of influence about the Will of Fire phrase.

With all this im just trying to say that are a lot of reasons why is probably Madara Uchiha the one in that waterfall and not some random dude that we dont know anything about and is supposed to have something similar with sasuke...

OG

^ it was the symbolism...

nope, he didnt lose to any of them...

you and I have a different definition of what it means to "lose," my definition of what it means to lose is more indepth than what you see =]

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Nishimuradeg

I have a theory. Some may dismiss it immediately due to it being too coincidental.
Screw the critics.

But here goes...

The names of the sharingan users have noticeably two of the same letters in their names. When I say sharingan users, I mean the pure blooded ones a.k.a. the Uchihas, Kakashi has nothing to do it. Or so I think...

Here it is.

Obito,2 Os.perhaps losing one sharingan caused him to remove an 'O' and made an anagram out of his name.Thus, Tobi. Warped but everyone has an opinion, no matter how damn retarded it may sound. I have little hope on this theory. But, would just like to say it. If ever it became true.

SaSuke. 2 S.

ItachI. 2 I s.

Damn, as I type this. Its starts to lose its solidity and the myth is being diluted..

But oh well.

mAdArA.. God damn, he has 3 As I have no idea how to fit the puzzle now.

Maybe he has, one sharingan in his other eye. Brown eye.

Take care.

Peace.

satansilent

Thanks.

as you say madara have 3 A so your theory is fail as you wish

kimnoa

uhm whats a Thunder God Technique? Was it the Shuriken Rasengan?

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DGLG

Oh FFS,

Let's face it allready. Obito is dead, he ain't coming back. FFS, he was a kid when that rock hit him and he was left there. He died under that rock. It's over. Tobi can't be Obito...and who says Obito couldn't be Uchiha Madara.

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trondah

Gaara was dead, no? The first and second hokage was dead when Orochimaru raised them, no? Hidan was immortal no? How about Kakuzu? Sasuke have wings, no? Naruto has a huge freaking fox with nine tails in his stomach, no?
SO WHY ISN'T IT POSSIBLE OBITO IS ALIVE???? WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE!

DGLG

1.)Gaara WAS dead. He was revived by a medical jutsu.
U know any1 who could use that strong jutsu to revive Obito?

2.)I don't belive Orochimaru revived Obito. xD

3.)Obito is not immortal.

4.)He was dead when Kakashi got his Sharingan

5.)He's second eye is dead. It dosen't work.

So...there is no way Obito could be Tobi.

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ronpal101

well, all we have here are all guesses... but some maybe close to kishi's plan, some may not in some areas though.. but for me, after reading from you all, i just want to share mine as well..

1: Madara may be sealed inside Obito and yet to be revealed, (yeah inspired by kyubiruki), then Madara always save Obito when he's about to die, just like the kyubi with Naruto..

2: the sealing technique! that means the demon and the sealer will be sealed, right? so maybe Yondaime is inside naruto as well.. so Naruto will be able to use Yondaime's power when fighting Obito/Madara.. i think that's the only way naruto can improve to super saiyan in an instant... hehe

well, it's just a guess, i dont think we need to dispute here, cause nobody really make a perfect guess here, unless you are Kishimoto... booooo...

trondah

Gaara was dead, no? The first and second hokage was dead when Orochimaru raised them, no? Hidan was immortal no? How about Kakuzu? Sasuke have wings, no? Naruto has a huge freaking fox with nine tails in his stomach, no?
SO WHY ISN'T IT POSSIBLE OBITO IS ALIVE???? WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE!

trondah

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/11/

Here's the last we see of Obito. We don't even know for sure he died, just that he got a lot of rocks on top of him. Maybe someone teleported him out. It's too sad, he says he wanted to be together with them longer. Perhaps Zetsu got him out of there somehow and offered to heal him in exchange for something. Tobi being Obito makes perfect sense!

The Observer

Okay I never said that it wasn't Madara. I just said that it was possible that the statue was of another warrior. No one is making room for that possibility. While there is enough in Kakashi's statement to warrant people coming to that conclusion, Did anyone stop to think that the same thing went down with Orochimaru and Jiraiya? This sort of thing has probably happened a few times. Also, Nidaime was in place before Shodaime died. They were both Hokage at the same time except Shodaime was likely in retirement like Sandaime was with Yondaime. Both Shodaime and Nidaime trained the three genin squad that the Sandaime was apart of. They took Sarutobi and told him that he would be Hokage from that day on. Meaning at one point and time the village had 3 Hokage on the active duty roster at one time.

I agree with this assessment, but I see it as he was bested during the skirmish and the other ninja came out on top. If you look at it there are reasons that Naruto didn't beat these people wen he first took them on. Kakashi has suffered a loss to Naruto at this point. Tsunade challenged him and lost as well (although it was just a bet) I still say he beat Sasuke at in the Valley, and Rock Lee.....come on Rock's a beast. He beat the hell out of Gaara! Naruto's skill at that time wasnt on the same level.

The theory did kinda die there, I know how that is when it sounds good in ya head and when ya start putting in down in print it seems a bit silly. I think you may be on to something but it needs to be thought out a bit more. From what I can tell, some of it may only be based on the definition of the first name. Maybe like Itachi means weasel, and Madara means speckles/spots/mottles (which could direct connect him to the sharingan) and Sasuke is something to do with assistance or hair. I am not that sure and my japanese is a limited at the moment.

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SharinganWarrior

Okay.. Lets say Obito is Tobi... Its fiction, we all know that...

But how did he become the AL then??

He was found by Zetsu, and "fixed" by Kakuzu... Having this in mind that hes only 13 years of age..
- That seems to be plausible in Narutoverse...

Since hes only 13, Zetsu must have raised him and trained him since Obito wasnt most talented nor most skilled shinobi... Besides givin' him knowledge..
- Find that to believe since Zetsu EATS ppl... And Obito must have been lookin' delicious... But still plausible its Zetsu thought "ohh well.. this squashed kid still got some spark in him".. "I'll fix that poor boy"..

Years went by and Obito got skilled (a real badass)... And with the knowledge the maneating plant gave him during years.. He started thinking "I want more".. He began planing a scheme involving the tailed beasts and well rest of the plan is unknown to us... So gathering the beasts was either too time consuming for one man to do or he needed skilled shinobies with different abilities...
So Obito at a very young age (bare in mind that the akatsuki is an organization thats more than 10 years old at least) he managed to convince Pein to be the face and front of akatsuki.. And led him do rest of "convincing"..
- Zetsu must be one heck of a sensei and Zetsu agreed to be a pawn in Obito's masterplan... But still plausible some might say... But okay.. Lets go on...

And Obito.. ARGH!!! Fuck it... I simply cant in my wildest imagination believe thats Tobi is the mind and body of Obito... I simply cant... Unless someone got another explaination, how Obito became the TAL... I would really like to hear it...