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Old 12-02-2007, 04:34 PM   #1
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Growing from a Human into a God

I really enjoyed the other thread about which body is Pain.

But I have another thought on it, something directly removed from Buddhism.

How is it that Pain has six bodies? Why does one body look like Yahiko? And why does neither of the bodies look like Nagato? I'll try my best to make reasonable answers. The new information Distortion came up with regarding the abilities should prove helpful when predicting the techniques of the six bodies. (But I'm not talking about techniques, I attend to answer the questions)

Nagato was able to posses all six natures of chakra, which was an impossible feat for shinobi. Jiraiya said that the reason why he was able to have that many, was due to the fact that he possessed the Rinnegan. If we think about the six paths of Pain, perhaps we can understand why Nagato has six bodies and he no longer looks like he use to.

Pain states in chapter 374 that he is no longer a human, he has evolved. Could it be that Nagato really is gone and he has become something else? Pain says that he remembered someone named Yahiko, and that he died a long time ago, the same could be said about Nagato.

Nagato no longer exists, he died a long time ago. The pain of those who have died, allowed him to grow up. Through pain, he attempts to change the world by making people hurt themselves and cause fear. He believes that pain is the only way the world can grow and change. As a God he can do things that when he was a human was impossible, so as six bodies he can accomplish feat that only one could not.

Yahiko wanted the rain to stop, as it brings about sadness and misery. Pain uses the body that reflects Yahiko's physical appearance to contradict what Yahiko really wanted. Yet Pain has won the civil war, and his people claim that they are safe. But why does he make it rain?

Its because Pain is going to show them true pain through judgment. It may seem like he is at peace with his village, but he, deep down, wants revenge, so that's why he rains on his people. The Rain village caused no end to sorrow for Nagato, and even his best friend died to keep the village safe. This brings me to the conclusion that once Yahiko died, he lost a part of himself, a big chunk actually. What he lost was the feeling of care (or love if you want to be gay)... What is the opposite of care or love, Hate!

Yahiko's reflection is only a reflection, nothing more. There were six different causes that allowed Nagato to evolve and become a God named Pain.

The Sage of Six Paths, who possessed the Rinnegan and gave birth to the skills to create ninjutsu itself. I believe The Sage of Six Paths did not become what Nagato became. The Sage of Six Paths used his power accordingly. Jiraiya said that the eyes of the Rinnegan were able to bring about destruction to the shinobi world or salvation.

We'll assume that The Sage of Six Paths restored the world. Nagato became The Six Paths of Pain, who would later destroy all salvation. The Sage of Six Paths used all six paths as a whole person, thus being considered a Sage of the Six Paths. The Six Paths of Pain is different. Nagato became six different entities as each one power would be magnified more as part of its separate being.

Using the Rinnegan, Nagato ceased to exist and became a God by using the bodies who all caused him to grow up. Nagato did in fact evolve. Yahiko's body was used as one separate path that drove Nagato to become Pain. The other bodies probably belong to people he encountered in his life, that also caused him to grow up. This means that those bodies are now bodies of Pain, no longer being directly connected to life beyond what Pain has bestowed.

Each body holds part of a power he had once he was a human, but since each body takes the power and magnify it accordingly its greater than it was when he was whole. So there are six powers that are deposited into six bodies, each power grew to match the capability of each body.

Pain is all six bodies. He is no longer Nagato. Yahiko's body is only a reflection.

I'm open for suggestions like always...
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Old 12-02-2007, 06:06 PM   #2
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Re: Growing from a Human into a God

decent theory there for sure. A few parts are a bit contentuous, but overall it seems very plausible. One thing that should be pointed though is where would Nagato's original body be then.... or in the terms you speak of. Do you think that his original body was phsyically distorted to created some of teh other bodies? I know you mention that the other bodies could be other people taht he encountered that he saw fit to use after they died when he lost a certain part of his humanity we'll say. That just leaves where his original body would be so far.
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Yeah a part I missed although I don't think its as difficult to determine what happened to his original body. I would assume Pain rid himself of his human form by destroying his corpse, probably burned it... I don't know.lol I would assume after he taken on his bodies of Pain, his original body was left behind with his powers being taken from it.
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Brilliant theory, I'm convinced this is how it is.
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Re: Growing from a Human into a God

yes it could be something to do with nagato bloodline thus splitting up to form bodies of his reflection but it could also mean that those 6 bodies ARE nagato which explains them all having rinnegan n why yahiko (sp?) lookalike ( meaning reflection of his long lost fren)

n if someone ( iknow its naruto) defeats all the bodies they could go back to form the original nagato's body
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^Well what I was saying is that once Nagato became Six Paths of Pain, he gave up his human life to become someone of higher power. As a human he could not accomplish what he needed, and the troubles he faced as a human caused him to change. So his Rinnegan would be possessed by six different bodies who caused him to change, of course the bodies were victims of the Rain village I would assume.

Each body would no longer have any connections to their previous life, I mean the bodies of those original people died along time ago, so simply put, they would be bodies of Pain just holding a physical reflection to what caused that specific path of Pain.

I don't think simply killing the bodies off will make much of a difference, as they would just be re summoned. I think they would all have to be destroyed at once to prevent Pain from escaping and or re summoning his already defeated bodies. But I guess something might cause Nagato to return, but I don't see how that may be possible for the time being.

Hope I made the ability transfer thing a little easier to understand. Try each power being multiplied by a given factor due to it being isolated and used exclusively. So lets say Nagato could use elemental ninjutsu, summonings, genjutsu, dojutsu (to cause physical harm), taijutsu, and absorption. Normally he was a very powerful shinobi with a vast amount of techniques.

But if each body possessed its own technique a lone, it would be increased sufficiently to match the capability if he only possessed that power alone. Now Pain has six bodies, so together, he would have six different techniques that are revamped according to the strength they would have been if he possessed only that power.

This makes the Six Paths of Pain a very difficult opponent, as he is able to use vision from six different views, switch between bodies, summon bodies that get destroyed, and counter attack with perfect timing due to each body instinctively helping out the other.
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Re: Growing from a Human into a God

well, one thing that isnt clear about your theory; if he used the people that helped him 'grow up', why is konan still herself and not a part of him? Also, if jiraiya would kill the yahiko body, wouldnt pain lose to ability to summon himself?
nice theory though!
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well for one thing, she isn't dead. He may have only taken the bodies of those taht died (not by his hand). Remember, Pain has been respectful to his comrades still. WIth saying that AK should give a moment o honor their fallen and how his first action was to relieve Konan from Jiraiya's hair when he first got there.
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Re: Growing from a Human into a God

I think he holds those that serve him in high regards, maybe that is why she is still alive, not sure yet.

I like the theory but I did have some questions about it.

1)If each body is a magnification of one specific skill, when he was doing his summons I thought he also did his wind jutsu and Jiraiya commented on how powerful it had become, how could he do both with just one body?

2)Didn't Jiraiya also blind one of the bodies? So now wouldn't Pein only has 5 sets of eyes to look through?

3)Where would he get the power to resurrect or create a relfection of the person would was killed? Who they be shadow clones that have been ramped up also like the 3rds and Jiraiya's so they can take more hits?
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1)If each body is a magnification of one specific skill, when he was doing his summons I thought he also did his wind jutsu and Jiraiya commented on how powerful it had become, how could he do both with just one body?
Nah, he only used summonings. You may be referring to Konan's origami. The only jutsu I remembered the summoning body using besides actual summonings, was the substitution, but that was only to escape and that jutsu requires no chakra to perform.

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True, although normally he'd have six view points.

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He used the Rinnegan. Of course they are not clones, they are more like actual bodies. They bled and did not disperse over a series of beatings, so I would assume they are the real deal. As for where the bodies come from, well if we think of some form of possession jutsu combined with the Rinnegan's ability to shape shift the body (like what he did with poor victims that became replicas of Itachi and Kisame) he is able to reflect each path from the corresponding bodies. And with the Rinnegan, he would be able to link up accordingly.
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He used the Rinnegan. Of course they are not clones, they are more like actual bodies. They bled and did not disperse over a series of beatings, so I would assume they are the real deal. As for where the bodies come from, well if we think of some form of possession jutsu combined with the Rinnegan's ability to shape shift the body (like what he did with poor victims that became replicas of Itachi and Kisame) he is able to reflect each path from the corresponding bodies. And with the Rinnegan, he would be able to link up accordingly.
I like the whole part about how he got his bodies from people that helped him grow. I would like to see him meet these people or show a brief fight with them in a Flashback if it turns out like this.

Anway, that was a good catch with his ability to shape shift bodies. I don't know, but do you think it is possible that with the different point of views of each body, that he would be able to see a person different each body, and use that to reflect what each one sees in that persons soul or body. Just a thought
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Possibly although that would be assuming Pain has control over there entire entity opposed to just their physical appearance. But I guess we can have more openings in this theory as to how he can coexist among six bodies.
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Possibly although that would be assuming Pain has control over there entire entity opposed to just their physical appearance. But I guess we can have more openings in this theory as to how he can coexist among six bodies.
Well, to make copies of Itachi and Kisame, the clones would have to have the same jutsus and all, even if Itachi and Kisame were controling them, there had to be a way for Pain to get the jutsus and all in the clones. So i think that it is possible that he can see more than just different points of view in people.
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Well, to make copies of Itachi and Kisame, the clones would have to have the same jutsus and all, even if Itachi and Kisame were controling them, there had to be a way for Pain to get the jutsus and all in the clones. So i think that it is possible that he can see more than just different points of view in people.
I must did not understand you right than. But remember Pain asked for 30% of Itachi and Kisame's chakra. Using the Rinnegan Pain managed to shape shift the bodies and link up Itachi and Kisame to the hosts mind. That allowed Kisame and Itachi to actually be fighting when they were really not. Almost like Orochimaru being in another body, I mean he could still use his jutsu from before. But Kisame and Itachi were on a 30% chakra regulation, so once they burned off the chakra, their control over the vessel would end as Pain disconnects the brain waves of Itachi and Kisame from the hosts. Just my conjecture.

Hmm it appears that Jiriaya met these six people before. Now I'm a little bit more comfortable about my theory, These people were in Nagato's memories as they helped him grow up into the God he is to day...
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I just hope he has some kind of combined mode where they merge into one and have all those awesome abilities
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